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When Will True Patriots Begin To Wage War Against a Corrupt US Government?

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When Will True Patriots Begin To Wage War Against a Corrupt US Government?

I have pondered at great measure what would be the line in the sand that our government should not be allowed to cross, and after having crossed it would be justification for waging war, either covert or overt, against it.

We see increasingly horrible instances of tyranny that include draconian sentencing, torture and even assassination by our government. The government claims the legal right to commit every specie of crime, tyranny and oppression and offers as justification the famous Nixon line that says “If your President (government) does it, its not against the law.” Government also allows its partisans, in the form of various and numerous corporate entities such as banks and security firms, defense contractors, pharmaceutical companies, oil corporations and many other favored government partisans of every variety, to engage in private tyrannies against Americans without redress under law. Consider how government legalized theft and fraud by financial corporations or the slaughter by Blackwater and cyber-attacks conspired by HB Gary.

I finally decided that, because the government is increasingly becoming our enemy, Americans owe it no more reverence than we do any foreign government that has made itself the enemy of the American people and their liberty. In fact, we owe it less leniency because as a domestic enemy of the Constitution it is an enemy that has made its way into our land and homes and is therefore an even greater threat as it disguises its tyranny and criminal rackets under the color of law. Moreover, we have believed our government’s lies and have been placed in a position in which, due to the government claiming the power as the final arbiter with a corresponding monopoly on the use of violence over the people and land in which we reside, foolishly believed that in exchange for these powers granted the government it would guarantee justice. Yet, government sophistry justifies tyranny as being law, albeit a law devoid of any justice. The government first robbed us of justice and then every protection on our rights, liberties and wealth fell to them and their criminal state.

So, even though our government has become a greater enemy due to the insidious position it has obtained through lies and subterfuge by using Americans’ misplaced trust, I will still grant it the same consideration I would grant the government of a foreign enemy. This consideration is granted at great risk because government that has become a domestic enemy to the people can and will betray, lie, confuse, bribe, torture, indoctrinate and punish those who would otherwise be friends of forces fighting a foreign enemy in the cause of liberty. In short, out government has betrayed us. Those who would side with the government’s lies are either part of the racket or weak-minded. One need only research what measures the government has undertaken to oppress the people to discern its intent. Those in power want people to serve the state as opposed to the American tradition of the state serving the people.

The consideration I will grant our government will be to first review what justifications would be needed to engage in and wage a just war against it. For this I will refer to the tenets of the Catholic Church with its Just War Doctrine. It has been an axiom that a government which resists and makes impossible peaceful change in a peoples’ pursuit for liberty and justice, makes violent change necessary. After reviewing the Just War Doctrine I believe one will be a better position to decide if our government has made violent revolution justifiable, necessary and the final resort.

The Principles of Just War provide:
Principles of the Just War

A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.
A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate.
A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient–see point #4). Further, a just war can only be fought with “right” intentions: the only permissible objective of a just war is to redress the injury.
A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable.
The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.
The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.

For the sake of organization I will address each tenet and discuss the issues as I believe they apply and for which argument can be made.

1. A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.

Our courts are no longer a path to redress as the government has authorized all of its tyrannies as being the law of the land. Where the government does acknowledge it is breaking the law, it has made it impossible for the people to take its officials to task for using their position, office or power to engage in tyranny, while it will often spend millions to cause economic ruin to those seeking justice. The government has decided to make it so nearly impossible to sue it that, for all intents and purposes, legal redress has been made nearly impossible and can no longer serve as an impetus for protecting or enforcing civil liberties. The government has progressed to a stage where it now rules all of its tyrannies as being legal.

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I'm amused by those who say 'violence begets violence' as it seems to me they are erasing the fact that violence has already been, and continues to be, perpetrated on soverign individuals. Are we to forever be sheep led to the slaughter?
Although I would prefer the peaceful revolution of a Ghandi, we can't escape from the probability of a French Revolution - heaven forbid.
The Tampa 'coronation' - in no way was it a convention - and the entire primary season for that matter, indisputably proved that popular and fraud free elections in this country are impossible unless we are determined and ready to initiate a 'Battle of Athens' in every precinct across the nation. Even then, how will we know the true vote when the machines are rigged to never even register a real vote?
The coming economic collapse may give us a peaceful revolution a la the USSR, but with such evil in the government I'm not sure they'd go down without a fight. Look at how Romney was willing to exact violence to gain power - how much moreso would it be if he were president and wanted to retain power? We know Obama would just turn the drones on us willy-nilly because if he were to go down he'd take everyone with him.
Joseph, I also read with interest Warner's DoI and thought you might like to read the one I wrote:
http://www.dailypaul.com/242729/declaration-of-independence-...

I pray America can truly be a Republic.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Violence begets violence.

When" As soon as we need a corrupt violent government to replace our corrupt violent government.

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Excellent

You sound a bit like Thomas Paine in his famous pamphlet just before the American Revolution. I wish more people would jump on board the nullification movement, it is another last resort we must put to the test to try and resolve our grievances peacefully. Check out this video starring Ron Paul and Tom Woods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwqluxtql3c

Excellent video on "Nulifacation" it's history & current impact

It really is our ultimate power as citizens. 24 states are currently nullifying different federal laws and threatening arrest of federal agents who attempt to enforce. It is also being used at the local level to protect citizens from abusive police tactics by hanging jurries.

I wish more people would jump on board the nullification movement, it is the last resort to try and resolve our grievances peacefully. CheckFf out this excellent video it's history since Thomas Jefferson introduce the concept and the Atenth Amendment to the Constition, to protect us from abusive government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwqluxtql3

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

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traced back to NSA!

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1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

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Yes, I'm interested, too...

Yes, I'm interested, too... I don't get your "traced back to NSA".

Authorship isn't what it's claimed/appears to be ?

Thanks.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

really? the author? or the original article?

or the website it was first posted on? (before its news)

please elaborate.

thanks Jim.

It's not bad enough for the masses yet.

They are too distracted with msm and gossip tv to realize what's going on. Unfortunately I think the SHTF in order for the ignorant sheep to awaken. Once people can't feed their children, we'll start seeing the revolts. Either that, or maybe in an extreme scenario, we'll be the ones to be invaded by China and it's allies, for not paying our debts.

I have done nothing. And for that I am ashamed. - Benjamin Martin (The Patriot).

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK

You, sir are sick

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~Your perception becomes your reality~

I'm Sick?

I'm sick? Did I advocate killing anyone as all the US politicians did?

Did I justify the killing of women and children, as the US did?

Did I advocate torture and murder as the US did?

Did I excuse crimes against humanity as the US did?

Did I lie about WMDs as the US did?

Did I engage in massacres as the US did?

Did I surround and then make people stay in a city so I could kill them, as the US did in Fallujah?

Do I think the masses are ants to die in whatever purpose that serves me, as the elites do?

Did I make 500,000 Iraqi children die slow and painful deaths by cutting off their medicine as the US did?

Did I fund terrorists in Libya and now in Syria as the US did?

Did I torture and the FBI and CIA have done?

It seems the masses will always be ruled by an elite who have no problem killing them by the millions while idiots and sycophants like you stand by and watch or do their bidding. Who is the is the sicko? It is people like you that allow Waco and Ruby Ridge to occur and do nothing.

Joseph Zrnchik

such an excellent response!! Full of TRUTH!!!

unfortunately, DP has many pacifistic/cowards who WOULD NEVER TOUCH A GUN OR MAKE A PLAN TO DEFEND THIS NATION FROM EXTINCTION. (not everyone - of course, just a bunch!)

However, I suspect you have more support for your thread than you mat think. Many people are just paranoid of posting any support whatsoever. (as they may fear, that just posting a positive response will result in their arrest, or detainment.-- I swear I wish I was joking about that, but sadly I'm not)

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We can do more harm to UNJUST

We can do more harm to UNJUST LAWS of the GLOBALISTS CROOKS by information spreading than taking guns.

Still. It is not too late for that.

And that is WHAT THEY REALLY FEAR as a matter of revolt.

They can crush an armed revolt as easily as they could 10 years ago already.

It is too late. Wake up time for such actions was maybe right after 9/11 at the time of The Patriot Act.

And I'm not even sure about that. I certainly doubt it was even a good idea at the time.

Today is WAY TOO LATE.

But like I said a dozen times already :

INFORMATION WAR, us counter-attacking, is the one THEY DON'T EXPECT us to come up with.

My feeling anyway.

YMMV.

Sincerely,

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

BMWJIM's picture

nsa!

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1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

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War mongering

I am really uncomfortable with this article.

This sounds like a prelude to a unibomber type trieste.

Suggest you s#&Tcan it.

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I am uncomfortable, too.

I am uncomfortable, too. Mostly, or at least, on how it is phrased. Let alone the rationale, which I think is much reckless, too.

War with guns to shed blood is NOT how we can defeat the evil. If guns ever happen to be used, that should be for SELF-DEFENSE against obvious and violent oppression. And ONLY that.

However:

THIS IS INFORMATION AGE

War against the Evil with weapons made out of ideas, values, and information spreading is the only way WE CAN INDEED ATTACK AND WIN, as I see it.

The MAIN power of our GLOBALIST ENEMIES is in the sheeple that they keep SUBJECTED AND INDIFFERENT TO OUR NATURAL RIGHTS TO LIBERTY, PEACE, AND JUSTICE THAT THEY DESTROY AND THEY DENY FOR EVERYBODY ... who aren't themselves.

Their first target was The U.S. Constitution ; the first attack, INFAMY, occurred in 1913; and is still undergoing the development of THEIR GLOBAL SOCIALISM ENSLAVEMENT PLANS still, as of TODAY.

Hence my former comment.

WE NEED TO DO THE INFORMATION WAR AGAINST INDIFFERENCE AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF SUBJECTION.

For LIBERTY.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Violent Oppression Is What The US Does Every Day

I merely ask a question. The question is: When will true American patriots who are oppressed and have war waged on them every day by the US government begin to wage war back as Timothy McVeigh did?

Timothy McVeigh - An Army of One

http://beforeitsnews.com/okc-bombing/2011/07/timothy-mcveigh...

Joseph Zrnchik

Tim McVeigh was a patsy

I thought everyone knew by now that OKC was an inside job. See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an98uK2hgUE

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Technically, I'm not

Technically, I'm not American. I'm an alien.

But I sure live, feel, and think as all of us, Americans, who care about the country's foundations that have been enduring a sustained DESTRUCTION ever since 1913 (in my understanding anyway).

No offense, no hard feelings to you, but I can't endorse taking guns, NOW AND FOR ATTACK.

As sad as it is : my rationale is consistent with my beliefs that you can TAKE GUNS WHEN YOU ARE UNDER ATTACK, TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

Of course, they make it disgustingly gradual, and high is the temptation for us to take guns as we see unfold the stripping out of every single of our freedom one after the other.

However, I think there is indeed ANOTHER WAY WHERE WE COULD INDEED ATTACK : but not with guns. We should have started before already. But people don't realize how crucial it is (except the "PaulBots", as the sheeple call us, who DID realize it)

This is an attack which is A JUDO counter-attack in fact : because it should be using OUR DEFENSE WEAPON CONTAINED IN THE 1ST AMENDMENT, THAT WE STILL HAVE (for how long ?) AS A WEAPON on the battlefield of KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION.

We NEED to understand something :

WHAT we need to fight at our enemy IS NOT JUST GITMO or military or drones or federal militias that they are for sure busy preparing for us later, if we eventually revolt, yes.

It SHOULD BE FIRST WHAT serves them the BEST, still, until now :

the SHEEPLE who is not just indifferent but sometimes ACTUALLY ACTIVELY ASKING THE GLOBALIST ENEMY FOR GOING **FASTER** TO THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE.

I would like us TO ATTACK FIRST ON THAT ANGLE :

SPREADING OF INFORMATION ON THE INFAMIES, INJUSTICE, RIGGINGS, SCAMS, ongoing all over the place.

People WAKING UP, we would be MANY MORE for our enemy as UNWILLING TO BE SUBJECTED. THAT'D BE HARDER FOR THEM.

The sheeple shrinking, they'd find something else instead. FREE THINKING MEN.

You don't try to "cure" the fever. If there's anything to "cure" it's the bacterial infection, or the virus to kill. The fever is an effect, a symptom, that the body started to pull the alarm at your brain. Your brain/the doctor's then finds the REAL CURE.

We don't need to see bloodshed, yet, until they fire on us because they have decided so.

But WE MUST SPREAD INFORMATION.

I am not talking about ANONYMOUS. They want "to attack" specific computer resources they declare as of the enemy, the U.S. Government.

I am talking OF PEACEFUL DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION. Using search engines and website TO PUT MORE TRUTH OUT THERE, instead of procrastinating on random things.

TRUTH DISSEMINATED AND INFORMATION AND FREE THINKING IS WHAT THEY FEAR THE MOST.

PROOF :

Because that's PRECISELY WHERE they have started : BRAINWASHING. Through the MSM.

Now, they are only leveraging it with more Social Programs, Police, Surveillance Programs, ADVERTISED AS UNAVOIDABLE for the sheeple's safety.

WE KNOW BETTER. LET US SHOW THEM WE DO :

STRIKE THE ROOT :

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

-- Henry David Thoreau

For Liberty.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

What planet are you from?

What do you mean technically you're not an American? What do you mean you're an alien? Are you employed by the FBI or some other federal agency or dept.? We're peaceful at DP and won't fall for any calls to violence. You're wasting your time here.

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I'm a "permanent alien resident"

I'm a "permanent alien resident" (aka green card holder).

That's how your administration denote us, anyway.

For instance I have all the same rights as you have, including paying taxes. But one : I can't vote for your elected officials.

My citizenship is French.

I'd like to continue to live here in this country because it just so happens I sustain my American family alone, who are ALL american citizens, unlike me.

Accessorily, a great plus, I'd like this country not to continue being the socialist country it became very progressively since 1913, with an ever intensifying socialism, esp. since 2008, like the one (country) I come from.

I sure am against violence and for peace. I'm the one who wrote all over this thread that if there is a war to do NOW, it's an information war over the WWW. And no one needs guns for that.

Others have called for waging traditional war on this thread. I DID NOT.

I hope this answers your questions and reassures you.

Sincerely,

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Well, I have STARTED waging war

Well, I have STARTED waging war.

But it's NOT JUST against the U.S. government, it's against ALL THE GLOBALISTS, as a matter of fact. And EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US, CAN DO THE SAME THRU MANY OTHER INITIATIVES of the kind, defending the same values :

Those of the Constitution of The United States of America.

Indeed, We, The People, CAN WAGE WAR OVER A DEFENSE RESOURCE THAT NOT ONE SINGLE GOVERNMENT IS ABLE TO CONTROL ... YET :

OUR VOICE OVER THE WWW

PROOF :

http://www.dailypaul.com/251692/its-information-war-times-an...

PEOPLE : LET US START THE PULSE

For LIBERTY.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

True patriots

Are already standing up. We are standing up right now.

Excellent article.

Missing one ingredient though...the people just aren't hungry enough yet but, they will be real soon...

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
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