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Vote Barack Obama;your very survival might depend on it!

First, I want to say this... I am not a troll.

I voted for Paul as far back as 88. I've been with this forum since 2007. I was even an RP delegate in 2008. Some of you might know me as a Liberal. I do not consider myself a libertarian.I am a socialist. I like Dr. Paul but I also like Lyndon LaRouche, Webster Tarpley and Bernie Sanders. I was one of the first to join the tea party and then I left it when I saw it was being hijacked by the Republican Party now I consider myself part of the Occupy Movement.

Some of you might wonder why I was even a part of this movement being a liberal and all but there are a lot of ideas that liberals and Democrats found very attractive about being a part of this movement. For instance,ending the drug wars, foreign intervention and ending the Fed these are all changes that I and others like myself have been able to get behind and support. I have even campaigned for Dr. Paul within the Occupy movement, so please don't hate.

These last few years have been very tough for me as I'm sure have been very tough for some of you.I have seen my business go under lost my home and ended a marriage. Of course I realize that failure is just as much a part of capitalism as is success and I hold no one responsible except myself. What bothered me is to see the crooked bansters and the 1% get bailed out time and time again while I have dropped out of the middle class and into the underclass{I have spent many nights living in my car}. This is why I have supported Dr. Paul because I know he would've put an end to this type of crony capitalism.

Well I am also a realist and realize that Dr. Paul is not going to be elected so I figure "if you can't beat them ,then why not join them".Meaning, being a veteran I have enrolled in a socialist program sponsored by the federal government that will pay me to go back to school. It will pay for my school and pay me 1400 a month in my pocket. I never made this kind of scratch busting my hump in the Navy working on aircraft carriers and driving supply trucks to Iraq.But I figure if Mitt Romney and the Cokehead brothers can hide their money in offshore accounts then why shouldn't I be able to get a government handout. Even Dr. Paul collects his Social Security check. Okay, so I might be a socialist but I am certainly not a hypocrite and I believe if I am able to get help from the federal government then I also believe others that have found themselves in an unfortunate situation should be able to get help from the government also. This is why I am voting for Barack Obama, and now I am going to explain to you why YOU are going to vote for Barack Obama.

If mittens and wrong Paul were to be elected in 2012 all these programs would end. But that is not the first thing that the RNC are going to go after. Once the RNC gets back into power the first thing that they are going to go after is going to be YOU and I mean you being the Ron Paul movement. These fascist are capable of anything and they will be OUT FOR BLOOD. They are going to put all of you on terrorist watch lists and tax audits,they know who you are and they know where you live. You have burned your bridges in Tampa and don't think they are not capable of doing this, just ask the unfortunate veteran who recently wound up in the mental ward.

Do not take my advice lightly, this election is going to be very very close and the fascist are going to spend billions to get back into power. You cannot afford to throw away your vote on Gary Johnson.Your very own survival might depend on Barack Obama being elected.

Thanks and I love you all, Lance



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Funny how people ignore the logic in that.

Government TAKES your money.. Then if you take it back.. YOU'RE a hypocrite.

Doesn't compute as idiotic to them I guess. If someone forced me to pay money and gave me a chance to get it back.. I'd take that shit in a hurry. Even though I'd rather have the option of not paying in, in the first place.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Oh come on...with that kind

Oh come on...with that kind of logic, we have way more people taking from the government than are paying in.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

It's not my government mandated ponzi scheme.

Besides.. I think all of those that take what they've paid in deserve their money back.. and if they get a little extra, then that's a tax break that may well help to crash the system. I'm weird like that.

I for one don't take it though but I'm all for those that get it legitimately after paying in.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

If I can become wealthy

I will not take it and that is what I am striving for.

Become wealthy on your own merits and I'll applaud you as many

will.. Force others to pay your way to wealth and you're no different that corporatist who force us to pay through lobbying and crony capitalism to pay their way.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

well I did say that in the article

I guess I have become conditioned to take the path of least resistance.

You probably don't see anything wrong with that

on a national scale do you. In my view however, that's the problem with socialism. It sets up the paths of least resistance which leads to consequences that in turn cause it to be in-pragmatic in nature.

If everyone is taking the easy government road, who will take the hard roads which will provide the pathways for the nation to walk upon to their utopian lives.

Someone has to grind it out for you guys to have it easier. I personally won't be a party to it. This is why I'm selling my business or closing it and transitioning to a life where I pay little to no taxes. I refuse to feed the state.

Patriot Cell #345,168
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

look perhaps the SS check was a little too harsh

but my logic to that was if you detest socialism so much then why even participate. You guys are the "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps crowd" so I do find it a little hypocritical that you would even participate in these programs even if it was your own money it still socialism isnt it?

if I was thrown in the gulag

does that mean I support political prisons? We were all born into this system, so we have had to take part in it. We were never given a choice.That's the point. The system is participate or else. That doesn't make us hypocrites. A social contract is fine as long as it is entered into voluntarily. In fact, without the consent of both parties in the contract it's not a valid contract, it's simply force or coercion.

That the nature of the beast.

It eats you then demands you pay for the privilege of being digested.

Free includes debt-free!

Have you ever tried not to pay it?

So what you're saying is.. We should be forced into paying it and be so "principled" that we should refuse our own property back.

Kinda doesn't make sense to me. If it's mine.. I have a right to it.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Well I did have an aunt who was a hardecore libertarian

God rest her soul. She never would participate in the program. Even though she needed at the end of her life when she died.She was actually proud to die knowing she never took a penny from goverment.

You mean she paid but never took her share?

If she could have bought silver or gold with the money stolen by government she would have done quite well at the end.

Your Aunt was robbed and as the victim she ended up suffering.

Free includes debt-free!

Paul you are truly a wise man

and I mean that sincerely, if everyone had your knowledge and skill and forethought we wouldn't need government at all.

Only I got here ten years too late.

If government hadn't fooled me, I might have had half a chance.

Free includes debt-free!

Bless her heart but she wouldn't be taking anything from them

in that case but I can understand the internal blah at the idea.

So what happened to you? I mean you have this great role model, yet..

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

You may dip your turd in honey but it's still shit at it's core.

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Left wing, right wing...

...same bird. The illusion of a difference is what they use to keep "we the people" divided.

As a member of this site

As a member of this site since before the last election, if it comes down to a choice between Obama and Romney in my State, I will not be voting for Romney. I will vote 3rd party if available, but a write-in for Dr. Paul isn't even counted here due to sore loser laws.

I don't like Obama one bit, but I like Romney even less.

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Lance, seriously, you're really intriguing.

Lance, seriously, you're really intriguing.

I admire your patience and politeness every time you come over here on the Daily Paul to post about rather controversial ideas, that some of us are weak enough to go directly into responding with spite.

Meh. Nobody's perfect. I, too, have been rather often angry, to say the least, lately. Especially with the GOP **C R O O K S**.

"Anywayz..."

But I said you're intriguing because, in truth, I tell you... it's really difficult for liberty lovers who support Ron Paul at 100% to cope with the kind of stuff you come up with.

Last time I checked, it was about posts from you re: OWS and from a few other of your "friends" (?) -- I put quotes and question mark because I don't know exactly what your relationship with those folks was exactly -- with, say, fairly socialism-flavored ideas. If not Downright sovietic, if I call a cat "a cat". Rich vs. poor, redistribute wealth, etc.

Let me tell you once for all :

we are for Liberty and you can say pretty much whatever you want to say on here (assuming you're respecting the postings moderation rules) but the hiccup is ... SOCIALISM is REALLY NOT what we regard as anything ANYWHERE CLOSE to Liberty !

Here, you seem to imply that voting for Obama could be a useful "political computation" for the future ??!

Tell you what :

it is VERY UNLIKELY TO BE APPEALING TO ANYONE on here.

See... we Liberty lovers just DO AS BEST AS WE CAN TO NOT COMPUTE anything : WE ONLY DEFEND WITH SWEAT AND TEARS ...

OUR **CONSTANTS** : values, principles, natural rights, all in the Constitution, minus the 16th INFAMY amendment.

So ... as for anything which as to imply, directly, or not, MORE STATE, more ENGINEERING OF THE SOCIETY TO PUT MEN AND LIVES IN SPREADSHEETS (with SOCIALIST formulas) :

please JUST FORGET about it.

Here's my recent take on THE STATE, coincidentally, btw:

http://www.dailypaul.com/252644/our-government-is-terrified-...

'Hope this helps!

Friendly, and Sincerely,

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

-- Winston Churchill

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Thanks Lynn, I love you guys very much.

I have always tried to bridge the gap between progressives and libertarians ever since you OWN judge NAP called for an allience. Perhaps I dream the impossible dream.But I will say this I love all you guys and am really concerned for your well being and I really admire your convictions even though they might not be the same as mine.

Ohh satire piece, this is

Ohh satire piece, this is good.

Your a confused confused person.. where do you think this "free stuff" is coming from? Your slogan should read "Vote for Obama 2012 and become a happy debt slave!"

He acts like Obama is somehow better than Romney or Bush.. I think you'll find here we tend to classify them all the same.. Killers and tyrants one and all.

Hmmm....

Never thought I would get this much hatred from the re-LOVE ution.

HATE? WE GIVE TRUTH

SLAP SLAP , NOW SNAP OUT OF IT!

you have your freedom of speech

but everyone here hates obamas guts so you might want to go somewhere that you can prey on ignorant and uninformed people. everyone here is awake and informed so you will not earn 1 vote for globalist gun grabbing obama here. sry. maybe www.goldmansachs.com can direct you to more sheeple you can misinform into voting for obama bin laden. lucky for you everyone here also hates romney too.

you have your freedom of speech

but everyone here hates obamas guts so you might want to go somewhere that you can prey on ignorant and uninformed people. everyone here is awake and informed so you will not earn 1 vote for globalist gun grabbing obama here. sry. maybe www.goldmansachs.com can direct you to more sheeple you can misinform into voting for obama bin laden. lucky for you everyone here also hates romney too.

First, let me say, you are a troll.

If we want Obama all we have to do is nothing. Do you think anyone is here because we like the way things are going in this country? I have no problem with you taking what the government offers. I have a huge problem with you suggesting that we should encourage people to become dependent on the government until they have no real freedom to oppose the government. A vote for Obama is a vote against liberty and all those who support it. A vote for Romney is a vote against liberty and all those who support it. Your vote for Obama is a vote against me and my family.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

Randy you might not agree with me .and rhats fine

But I am no troll my intentions are very sncere.

IF YOU WANT THE COMMUNIST TAKEOVER

OBAMA HAS THE FEMA CAMP OR GITMO WAITING FOR YOU!!!

Lance, what you said:

"Once the RNC gets back into power the first thing that they are going to go after is going to be YOU and I mean you being the Ron Paul movement"

Is so true. You are saying it for the wrong reason (ie petty political gain), but that statement is true. I expect a big purge if and when that happens.

The rest of your argument has the weight of cotton candy.