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Statement from Ron Paul: NH Recount?

by Ron Paul | January 12, 2008

After a careful investigation, I have decided against seeking a recount in New Hampshire. I am confident that not asking for a recount is the right decision.

I carefully considered the arguments for and against a recount before instructing my campaign staff not to pursue it. Without a firm belief that vote fraud had taken place, and without the possibility that a recount would have increased the chances for success of our campaign, a recount would have diverted campaign resources, time, and energy away from crucial battles elsewhere.

We have taken concerns about vote fraud seriously. In Iowa, campaign volunteers carefully monitored the caucuses. Campaign staff placed Paul supporters in every precinct to watch and verify the voting and count. We had supporters phone in results from their precincts to a campaign hotline while others ensured that those numbers were reflected on the official display board at the Polk County Convention Center. The numbers our caucus watchers reported agreed with the official tally, and both results also aligned with the campaign’s internal polling. In relatively pro-Paul counties, our sampling pegged support at 11.5%. This is consistent with an overall 10% finish for the entire state.

In New Hampshire, while I would have hoped for a better result than eight percent, I am convinced that vote fraud played no role in this result. Rumors of vote fraud were investigated, and in the end they proved to be the result of errors in early media reports that were not reflected in the official numbers. In one notable case, when a campaign staff member contacted an individual who had on the evening of January 8 claimed that his vote had not been counted, the person said that he had made a mistake and that the next morning the error in reporting on a newspaper website had been corrected both in the media and -- most importantly -- in the official tally.

Many have expressed concerns that those ballots counted by machine yielded a 2% lower total than those counted by hand. However, machine counted vote totals were more than 2% lower for both John McCain and Mike Huckabee. Hand counted votes were more likely to be cast in rural areas. Results almost always vary between urban and rural areas.

My campaign staff and I have analyzed the numbers in New Hampshire and I have reached the conclusion that it was the high turnout -- not vote fraud or counting errors -- that left us with eight percent of the vote. Our total vote count of over 18,000 votes was well within what we projected given the efforts of our extensive statewide get-out-the-vote program, giving me no reason to believe that vote fraud played any role in the results of the Granite State’s primary.

In both Iowa and New Hampshire there is much to be proud of. Taking both states together, I am honored that over 30,000 people cast their vote for me -- more than either Rudy Giuliani or Fred Thompson. Unlike many other candidates’ efforts, our campaign for freedom is growing and our message is spreading.

Now is the time to redouble our efforts. Our resources must be spent on the upcoming primaries and caucuses, and on ensuring that, with your help, we organize every state yet to vote with our Precinct Leaders program.

We can't win primaries and caucuses that have already happened -- but we can win those yet to come. To become the Republican presidential nominee, a candidate must have 1,191 delegates. Iowa, Wyoming and New Hampshire determined only 32 delegates, so we have much opportunity remaining.

Today, I ask you to join me in focusing on the battles ahead as we continue our fight for liberty and our Constitution.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul

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2004 N.H. presidential recount found very few discrepancies

Ralph Nader got a N.H. recount in 2004 and it yielded a few minor errors. Ohio was the big machine recount disaster. New Mexico and Nevada asked for a recount too. Nevada canceled and I don't know about New Mexico. I'm still giving money for recounts, maybe Ohio should have to do another recount and let's see how they handle it this time. Perhaps there is someone out there with some serious cash that wants to protect the American vote by paying to test each states ability to do a fair and accurate recount. They have to get a candidate to endorse the recount. 2004 recounts were not all initiated by candidates.The N. H. 2004 recount was above board from what I read. It's Ohio that broke the law. Anyone out there with links concerning past recounts, please post.

**NO** honest vote count in any election since 1960

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WTF's the point of voting in ANY election when one's vote DOES NOT COUNT?

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Ever hear of the now-defunct Voter News Service (VNS)? It has been in operation ever since the elections in the 1960's and it has been the source and cause of many "surprise" political upsets over the years, of which there are too many to list here. Far too many "official" results have varied too greatly from the exit polls, which have been historically the most-accurate barometers of the actual votes cast.

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Doesn't it arise any suspicion that the exit polls are no longer done, nor published? VNS has been disbanded and replaced by something else that is no better than the predecessor; VNS had always been done in secrecy, without any public participation, nor input and it always put the establishment choices on the forefront to the gullible, clueless voters, most of whom don't know jack from one thing to another.

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Read this: http://www.rense.com/general80/mdro.htm

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There is value, though, in moving on and that is the possible awakening of the general, dumbed-down masses of clueless voters may finally realize that they've been royally butt-f***d far up where the sun don't shine AFTER the this "election" when the favored establishment favorite, HRC, "wins" the election, despite the obvious numbers of people in the streets who really supported AND VOTED Ron Paul.

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There is value to keep on moving forward with all due speed with the Ron Paul Revolution, it is clear, to me, so, I thank all of you for keeping the faith and keeping on with your efforts to spread the word to the best of your abilities about Ron Paul. Perhaps we will finally have won the war to save our country after losing the battle to elect Ron Paul? The awakening of the dumb, clueless masses IS the point of all of this.

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A Ron Paul supporter since the 1980's!

Let's move on...

I agree, it's time to move forward. Spending time, money, and resources on a recount will do NOTHING to help get Dr. Paul get elected. These primaries will be over before we know it and people have already wasted several days talking about a recount. How much of that time and money could have been spent getting FUTURE voters to vote for Ron Paul? It's time to accept reality and move on.

I live in NH and worked with the grassroots and official campaign effort for 4 months and the reality of the situation is that we really did only get 8%. Even if there are some minor discrepancies with the vote count (as there always is - in any election), it would not effect the results significantly. There may be conspiracies amongst the media, the politicians, and the big businesses to censor and attack Ron Paul, but as far as enough vote fraud to effect the election, I sincerely doubt it.

IMO, 8% was accurate, and there were three significant reasons why we did not get more:

1) The tight race between Hillary and Obama forced more RP leaning independents to vote for Obama. As a poll checker, I witnessed several voters that had been flagged as committed for Ron Paul, taking Democratic ballots.

2) As Ron Paul stated, high turnout diluted his support. It was the best weather day we had had in NH in months and people came out in droves. There were A LOT of uneducated, passionless voters who just voted for whomever the polls and media had been telling them to vote. All too often, I saw people voting take ballots like this was some game, not caring who they voted for, but simply participating in the process, voting for the person who had the best ads, or was funny, or they had heard about on the news that day.

3) From day 1, there were several SERIOUS ERRORS in the official campaign strategy. The campaign has practically admitted it, and I witnessed it day in and day out. Even though the volunteer organization was large, the campaign was highly ineffective at using that organization to convert votes and enough of them. I'm not going to get into all of the things I think they did wrong, but the main one to me was Basic Campaigning 101 - know your target audience. They focused their efforts on a dwindling Republican base, 2/3 of whom still support the war. They tried to run a traditional Republican campaign, ignoring Democrats and assuming Independents would follow simply because of his Libertarian and Independent-minded platform. The state campaign staff had tunnel vision as far as their strategy was concerned, unwilling to change or evolve. Any attempts to bring these things to light were fallen on deaf ears.

So there you have it. STOP with all the recount talk, accept reality, and move on. We have three weeks left until Super Tuesday. Stay FOCUSED and make each day count.

AMEN!

Im in Wisconsin and our primary is very late. I have been leading a letter writing campaign and talking to as many people as possible. I dont mean to booster myself, but everyone let's keep working hard. Even if it was fraud, their strategy has worked! Keep us divided and grumbling instead of working!
Freedom, Peace and Prosperity,
JeremyF

Freedom, Peace and Prosperity,
JeremyF

Recount debate: resolved!

There. The leader of this r3VOLution has spoken and its time to drop the tinfoil hat conspiracies and get back to the hard work of convincing people on a face-to-face, door-to-door basis of why Ron Paul is the best man for the job.

Or, we could yap endlessly about stolen elections, scream and moan about MSM blackouts, and chase empty-headed faux news hosts down the road.

Which method will get RP more votes? Which, the last I checked, was what a candidate actually needs to win elections.

All the more reason

to sign up as a poll watcher, and canvass your precinct prior.

I'm with the official campaign stance here.

Focus! Get out and talk to people. I've been doing that. It's a lot of fun, to boot. The majority of people are happy to receive more info about the man whose signs they've been seeing, but presence they've been missing on the major media.

I have been telling my precinct neighbors, "You aren't allowed to hear of Dr. Paul on the major networks. Doesn't that pique your interest to know why?"

Inherently, people don't like the feeling that they're being denied something.

Try it!

www.ronpaulvotecount.com

www.ronpaulvotecount.com

we must make sure our votes are counted in the future.

let us, we the people, stop this crime now and return honest elections to the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Did Dr. Paul read the published version of this statement?

This statement, which was possibly consented by Dr. Paul but likely not written by him, is in error. The discrepancy between machine and hand counts for Clinton vs. Obama in NH was five percent, not two percent. The 'one notable case' of a person claiming that her vote for Paul was not counted turned out to be true: it was in Sutton County, where the recount caused Dr. Paul's vote total to go from 0 to 31. This was confirmed by the town clerk, and you can't get more official than that.

The statement even contradicts itself: ". . . the person said that he had made a mistake and that the next morning the error in reporting on a newspaper website had been corrected both in the media and -- most importantly -- in the official tally." If the voter had made the mistake, then the official tally was right all along . . . so why does the statement assert that the official tally was 'corrected' the next morning?

In terms of simple logical consistency, the statement raises more questions than it answers. Is the writer of this statement the same man who so effectively stood down the warmongers during the Fox debate? I trust that Dr. Paul approved the same words that later came to be published -- but there have been problems with that in the past, as we all know.

It is an occupational hazard of politicians that they come to live in an isolation bubble created by their own staffers. I am sure that right now they are telling him that we are 'all a bunch of kooks' for even bringing up the issue. In response to the charge of us supporters being the 'kooks,' I would point out that 2 of the past 5 Republican Presidents -- Nixon (Watergate) and Reagan (Iran-Contra) -- were criticically undermined by their staffers, not their supporters, and that the current Republican President has become completely isolated from reality itself by his staff. It happens.

Supporters need to go up to Dr. Paul at public appearances and ask, "Did you hear about the thirty-one votes in Sutton?" And that's just the start of things we need to talk about.

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"I spent $25 million and all I got was this lousy primary"

http://libertariansurge.blogspot.com/2008/01/i-spent-25-mill...

I spent $25 million and all I got was this lousy primary

http://libertariansurge.blogspot.com/2008/01/i-spent-25-mill...

Dr. Paul is Opposed to a Recount

If Ron Paul is against a recount, why are some of us collecting money for this very purpose? Shouldn't we listen to the man we are trying to get elected?

If Ron Paul thinks that the campaign is better off avoiding a recount for whatever reason, I think that we should honor his words. Let's work with the official campaign, not against them. This money can best be spent in getting Dr. Pau's message out, however we can. If a recount might hurt his effort, we should not support it.

Wrong!!!

He just cannot endorse one!

There is a difference between not endorsing and being against a recount!!!

Keep the Re-Count Separate from Ron Paul's Campaign!

NH has already approved the re-count. Kucinich will continue re-counting the votes made for Democrats. He has no control over what happens with Republican ballots. However, the re-count can still go on, as Mr. Howard is trying to do. This will not negatively reflect on Dr. Paul, as he has already made this statement against it.

I believe that the recount should go on, but separate from the campaign. If the cost is between $60,000 - $70,000 then supporters can easily raise those funds and donate to Albert Howard's efforts.

This is the important point:
DIEBOLD machines will be used in the upcoming Massachussetts, Connecticut and Vermont primaries.
If there is indeed a problem, it must be made public NOW, before it is too late. If fraud is confirmed, then they must not allow Diebold machines to be used in anymore states!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

Voted Best Answer!!!!!!!

This one and Brandons thoughtfull respose is well reasoned and correct. If we do find ONE delegate the costs are zero. No doubt well find one delegate somewere, It would be effective to slow the vote scamming just to recount no matter the results.

RP stays at arms length, we fund the vote count, our straw man takes the credit (or hit) and we win no matter what. If we do find trouble get some votes we get the money back we donate to the various RP private causes (Blimp, Aircorps, ect.) then we call for a good look at Mr. Pauls staff.

Rc

“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Mark Twain

“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Mark Twain

Good point!

If there is indeed vote fraud, it needs to be exposed now. We shouldn't take any chances with these machines in the upcoming primaries.

another reason why Ron Paul should be president!

noticed how carefully he tackled this issue. and how he is not easily swayed by emotions?

this is the mark of a true leader. time to look forward!

funny...most of his supporters are emotional people who are

passionate about issues such as Liberty. . .and Fair Elections.

Wise

As much as I do personally BELIEVE that there was indeed fraud perpetuated on both sides of the ticket, I have to agree with dr. Paul here. Even though we may have given him money, he's lean on staff--staff that needs to move onward. Plus, if the majority of us believe there was literal fraud done, what's to stop unscrupulous people in power there to not doctor the PAPER ballots? recount takes time and doesn't start "right away." Where are those ballots? Have they been locked under clear bullet-proof glass containers in the public square under 24-hour armed guard? No.

I think RP also realizes that there might be too much "blowback" against him if he pushed for the recount and "nothing significant" was discovered. There are re-counts that have been called for. If there's anything to find that would have been found by Paul's call for them, they will be found. He's right--onward and upward.

And I'm glad he communicated his executive decision. We've all been clamoring for it..........

I'll get behind Paul

While I'm sure that vote shenanigans are going to figure to some degree in every vote of such an extensive area and comparable importance and while I think one of the most important issues in this country's politics is the removal of the notoriously hackable and non-transparent electronic voting machines ...
I respect Ron Paul's judgment in choosing his battles and wish to focus my attention and effort where it will do the most good.

Yes, 2% lower for you.. and

Yes, 2% lower for you.. and 7% higher for Mitt Romney and 4% higher for Hillary Clinton. This same thing happened to Howard Dean and John Kerry, now the democrats are pushing Mitt Romney in Michigan too.

Also if it is the rural areas that are hand counted... I thought that Ron Paul did worse in rural areas where you have a lot of old voters and better in urban areas where you have young voters. Obama strangely enough did better in areas where blacks do not.

Then we have some 1,200 votes for "Other" in one city where the entire state only did around 3,000 write-in votes, and they haven't yet told us who those votes are for.. but they must know because Albert Howard knows how many he got..

I'm all for Ron Paul, and I even agree he should not call for a recount as we are getting that done anyhow.. I don't know.. Maybe Paul is right.. the recount will probably be rigged as well anyhow..

I'm amazed that people in

I'm amazed that people in favor of a recount believe that recount may be rigged but they don't seem to allow for the possibility that the election was fair. Its leaves me wondering why so many were in favor of a recount when they weren't going to accept the results. I also wonder why they got involved in the political process when they no faith in the process. Why play a game when you know going in that the refs had no intention of allowing you to win?

I agree

I too believe that Ron should have done better in urban areas. I just do not believe that so high a number of urbanites are war-monger McCain supporters.

I believe that in rural areas he had the support of a select anti-government few, but in urban areas is where his message was seen the most.
If it was in urban areas that the Ron Paul Revolution was so visible, it just doesn't make sense that he would lose there to - Giuliani - of all people!

This literally makes no sense!.

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

I understand his reasoning

I understand his reasoning but he needs a clear stance on the Diebold electronic voting machines given the documented problems with them.

That is Hopeful

I am encouraged by the letter Dr Paul sent out. They realize they finished about where they thought they would. I completely agree with the direction to move forward. There was no way this was going to come out in a positive light.

I hope the campaign is serious about the previous message they gave that they made errors and would like ideas. Something is wrong when you can't do better in a state with similar views. I strongly feel the campaign has to match the intensity of the volunteers and use the money wisely. There simply has to be direction given on what they would like to see volunteers do and what they feel is most effective. There is no other way to win or to even be effective in getting the freedom message out.

Now if there was a better response on the newsletters issue we would be close to back on track. If the author is known they should be CONVINCED to admit they wrote them. This has done huge harm at a time when it can be least afforded.

I actually believe Dr Paul that he didn't know about it, he doen't seem to much care what people do in his name but the excuse is not very plausible to the majority of people and that is who we need. Loyalty is one thing, loyalty that seriously damages the movement and wastes the money and effort of thousands of volunteers is another. All off topic I know.

I will be anxiously watching for renewed leadership from the campaign.
Joe

The great man has spoken.

The great man has spoken. He's weighed the pros and cons, made his decision. Now, let's speak no more of this and get to work!

*****The Federal Reserve is neither.*****

Nice

I'm convinced. ThunderCats Go!

Guys I was there!

I am from CT. I worked the polls. I converted 20 people to pull for ron. I asked 30% of people at that station. 50% of them told me who they were pulling for. It looked to me to be less then 10%. I wish it were not so but it is what it is.

I continue to support Ron and will toss in $100 in MLK day. It is about the message. We must get it out. The whole system is going to crash.

It sickens me to think universal health care may be coming. Just another program doomed to failure and another think we must ween the goverment from. As it is I will be going to Puerto Rico for dental work. Why? Because its cheeper. Its the freemarket baby. Big Insurence ruined health care now goverment gonna kill it.

Makes me sick!

Go Ron Go!

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Insurance companies are the

Insurance companies are the reason our health care is so high and inflations drives it even further out of our reach. As Paul says, it should be between the Dr. and the patient.

good decision

NH lost some of their delegates due to early primaries. This would be Pyrrha's victory. Let's focus on "fatter" states: MI, NV, SC and on...

We're in a good position

Kucinich and Howard have filed for the recount and the RP campaign can focus it's time and energy on the coming primaries.

I honestly hope there was no fraud. I noticed Dr. Paul did not mention the Dem results. For me that 13 point swing for Hillary seems the most suspicious of all.

But I love Dr. Paul's spirit -- he obviously looked closely at this and made an executive decision. One of hopefully many to come!

Go Ron Go

Let's scoop up more delegates! I'm really glad to know they're watching closely but the numbers are ahead!

ONWARD

WE MARCH!