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Why Should Any of Us Vote For Obama or Romney?

Answer: We shouldn't. Even if you think one is better than the other your vote won't make a difference. One vote has never decided a presidential election and it never will. Even if by some miracle that your vote was the deciding factor, the candidate with the most power would just rig the election. Whoever has the most power behind them is not going to let one vote keep them from the controls. So, no chance, no how, is one vote going to make a difference on deciding who is president. The only thing you will accomplish by voting for either of these tyrants is increasing their vote totals.

The only justification I can see for voting in any election is if you believe in the person you are voting for is a good representative of your beliefs and political philosophy. Otherwise, I suggest you save yourself time and aggravation from voting for monsters when you could just stay home and read a good book.

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OK...I give up!


Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

No Good Reason

You should not. The only conceivable reason you should vote for someone to whom you are not completely loyal - like Ron Paul - is if you believe that they are actually going to make some gains, even if they are less than ideal. That is not the same as the "lesser-evil" argument; a "lesser evil" is simply less of a force for evil, not necessarily a force for good. I would always vote for someone I considered a net force for good. Yes, government is coercive, and aggressive/non-defensive coercion is immoral, therefore voting over the use of coercion is usually immoral, but not if you are voting to limit or abolish government coercion.

Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are both avowed statists, united on all major political principles - like their respective parties - differing only in degree ("how much of your property should the feds confiscate?") and marketing (akin to the differences between competing brands of toilet paper). Why on earth would we, advocates of free markets, sound money, individual liberty, personal responsibility, and peace vote for men who support Keynesian counter-cyclical policies, central banking, collectivism, government paternalism, and empire?

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors, but today we kneel only to truth." - Kahlil Gibran

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LOL. OP : you're very into dealing with rhetorical questions

LOL. OP : you're very into dealing with rhetorical questions, aren't you ?

More seriously, I'm so sad to think you're most likely right. :'(

Please see this for one of the many small things we can do, IN NUMBERS, as the some of the next steps in our effort, and to make a difference eventually.

"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little."

-- Edmund Burke

For Liberty.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

My Unsolicited Advice

If you believe that will be an effective strategy then I would suggest setting up a website for that. Get people to sign up on the page and then email everyone on the list with a keyword or whatever to search on that day. Get people to promote the idea on their Facebook page and things like that. It will be very difficult to spread that idea around unless you have a central hub for the idea and a way to contact everyone each week and remind them. Plus you'll want the search to be unified so that you maximize the impact.

I don't have anything at all against the idea, but I can't see it being successful unless someone takes the reins and runs the project. I think all these kind of ideas can do some good. We just need people who are able and willing to put in the work to make it happen.

My own way that I'm going to try to spread the libertarian message is by cross promoting my company with other libertarian projects. Currently, I have a promotion that will hopefully start on Tuesday where I will try to raise money for the Robert Murphy / Paul Krugman debate challenge. My goal is to continue running promos like this to spread the message to other good libertarian causes. If you are interested in getting a heads up about the promotion when it starts next week you can email me at dan@libertywritlarge.com

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Your unsolicited advice was much welcome

Your unsolicited advice was much welcome !

Thank you. Yes, I might go for that, eventually.

Thanks for this feedback.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

At this point I plan to vote

At this point I plan to vote but will probably skip/abstain from the POTUS part of voting.

GJ would have had my vote at this point if he displayed more support for Ron Paul, but he chose not to. GJ could have endorsed RP as his preferred Republican candidate after he dropped out of the GOP nomination race, but he simply turned his back and walked away. He could have helped the cause of liberty when it would have made a very significant difference.


They don't need our votes, folks

They will both get plenty of votes from the brainwashed left/right who are unknowing participants in the game. They don't need our votes, so don't feel obligated to vote for either one. Cast your vote to whomever you chooose - Mickey Mouse or Ron Paul - whatever makes you happy, because don't worry - Obombya and Robney don't need our votes!


decided what I will do yet.

I might vote Obama simply for strategy. If Mittens is elected, a liberty candidate will have a much harder time in 2016, also diminishing our chances of having a bigger influence in the GOP for the next four years.....

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just well-informed

Even if you believe Obama

Even if you believe Obama winning is better for the movement it doesn't change the fact that your vote will have zero impact on the election. I'm not arguing that your reasons for possibly favoring Obama are wrong, but since you can't effect the outcome with your vote, then I think it makes more sense to either vote for someone you actually like or just stay home. Don't add to Obama's totals for no reason.

I guess my

logic is that if enough people vote one way then it's a landslide and much harder to rig votes in that scenario than if the election is super close.

Obama is definitely a better outcome for the liberty movement in terms of strategy.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just well-informed

Don't stay home. Vote third party

ANY third party. Any vote for a third party takes away votes from GOP & Dems. We don't have to rally behind a certain candidate. Just vote third party.

If I vote third party it

If I vote third party it doesn't take away from the GOP and dems because I would never vote for them anyway. It would add to the third party totals but wouldn't subtract anything from anyone else. Still, I'm not going to vote because my vote won't change anything as far as election results, and there is nobody left that inspires me and adheres close enough to my political philosophy for me to want to support. Hopefully, this is the lowest turnout of voters in American history. It's about time we stopped participating in fixed elections. I don't need or want a ruler. I want freedom and a third party vote doesn't get me that. Educating myself, my family, my friends, and anybody who will listen does.

Don't get me wrong though, if you are able to convert people to libertarianism by encouraging people to vote third party, then more power to you. I just don't think that is an effective strategy for me, and I think there are better ways for me to carry my load.

Good post

Time to stop wasting energy and creativity spinning our wheels within a corrupt dialectic and move on. Voting and elections are a rigged farce, they openly cheat, laugh and brag about it. What's the point in playing their game and having them change the rules when we start to win.

I have compiled a list of differences

Between the two candidates. The Differences:_________, _______, _____, and ________.

The similarities? Where to begin? A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama's policies! A vote for Obama is a vote for Romney's policies!

Why are we separating them?

Republican = democrat. A vote for either is a vote for both.

No train to Stockholm.

good answer =P neither is the

good answer =P neither is the only RIGHT answer

I was listening to George

I was listening to George McGovern's 1972 acceptence speech for the Democrat nomination last night. Insert Afghanistan and Iraq for Vietnam and Muslim boggeymen for Soviet Union, and it is largely the speech Obama and Mittens will deliver. That was 40 years ago, and shows the complete failure of the Republicrats, because they are both the same thing and just serve the real controllers of this country - the big banks and multinational corporations. Anyone who votes for an R or D needs to have their brain checked.

The only reason many of us did vote in the Republican primary is because Ron was trying to use it as a vehicle, which failed dued to the cancerous and corrupt nature of the GOP. Ron is truly an Independent or Constitutionalist, not a Reprubic.

Ron Paul's a libertarian, but

Ron Paul's a libertarian, but yeah, I agree with you.