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We have got to stop the infighting folks, great movements are always destroyed from within!

Sure lets just throw the baby out with the bath water, we should isolate people for thinking different than we do? Everyone should follow us because that is what freedom is, isn't it? "Perhaps we shouldn't force our goodwill on anyone, perhaps we should set good examples and hope people wish to emulate us" : Ron Paul

Perhaps we should think before we speak and act accordingly, perhaps we should start with the basics of freedom and if that is all you agree on, then stop your comments that pertain to anything of the contrary.

Perhaps we should stop attempting to elicit prescribed responses from others but rather agree to disagree and move on, perhaps this country wouldn't be in such trouble if some people in this movement WOULD GET THEIR FUCKING HEADS OUT OF THEIR COLLECTIVE ISOLATIONIST ASSES and start finding a way to work with people we may disagree with!

We agree with each other 98% of the time on most issues, but we spent 98% of the time bitching, complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on. THIS IS WHY NOTHING GETS DONE! Here is a suggestion; Why don't we start with the things we agree on, get the job done and worry about the things we disagree with each other on, at a later date?

We have much more work to be done, please let's stop eating our own.

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I agree

that we should not destroy ourselves. Why would we destroy democrats, then destroy republicans and then destroy libertarians? If you don't want to vote, stay home or skip the presidential election and vote only local elections. Too many ego's and pride is getting in the way of actually restoring America.

Nullify and set your self free!

So you guys know who Neverquit is right?

He's connected with "Liberty"chat.. His name is Steve Parent and he's also connected with Lawyers for Ron Paul, "Richard Gilbert" and his attorney "friend" that jumped on to defend the fake gilbert on this site which is also connected to "Dr".K.

They leave for a bit and count on the site population turning over enough so that they can come in and weasel their ways towards whatever agendas they have.

Which seems to be, from Steve's criminal history, scamming, fraud and divisiveness.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

You should get your facts

You should get your facts straight, I am not connected with libertychat or lawyers for ron paul. LMFAO at criminal history. Nice try though.

Sure you aren't

We went through this a while back, I'm sure more than a few still around remember.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

SteveMT's picture

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism

No one knows for sure who said it, but I believe that it's true. The keys are respect and justifying why you dissent if we are ever going to get through this time.

Well, there's always been infighting.

The crucial difference now is that we face a fork in the road. Before, most of us were moving in one direction.

Support the Constitution of the United States


Let's just argue about abortion while the walls crumble around us.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.


It generally seems a particular gender is always at the forefront of those discussions. The gender in which the burden falls upon is more reserved in their judgments on the subject.

Cyril's picture

+1 Bingo.

+1 Bingo.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Cyril's picture

Well, I remember writing something along similar lines

Well, I remember writing something along similar lines, recently :


For Liberty.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The sad fact is.......

the more people that come over to 'our side', the dumber we get in aggregate. It's where democracy meets the Bell Curve.

Leges sine moribus vanae

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It's called dilution to extinction.

We need to unify our votes so

We need to unify our votes so they know as accurately as possible that whatever party wants to win NEEDS us. If we're to take over the GOP we need them to throw away the theory that they can cheat us and get away with it by still getting our vote.

Rewarding them for bad behavior only encourages bad behavior.

If everyone votes for Gary Johnson... even if he were to lose... it would wake up millions more around the US from the national debates and GJ contrasting heavily against the status quo of Obamney and would give us the upper hand in our takeover of the GOP in 2016.

We need to officially make this our strategy just like our delegate strategy.

Us splitting up our votes and compromising back into the "lesser of two evils" "vote for us because we're not them" fear rhetoric will sabotage our potential to this end and slow down our movement heavily.

We have enough forces sabotaging us for it to be ourselves.

We can't choose Obama or Romney over the other when our main discontent is with what they BOTH do.

As Nader said during a time where information didn't flow freely between every person in the country... "vote your conscious, not your fear".

Now only if people stopped telling themselves they weren't afraid when they were and telling themselves they were voting on principle when they weren't.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

Agree, I stopped in fighting

if people want to infiltrate the republican party let them
if people want to write in Ron Paul let them
if people want to vote for Gary Johnson let them
if people want to leave the republicans and join the libertarians let them
Liberty needs to be everywhere-everyone will have different ways of advancing it.


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Not all infighting is bad. Maybe some on the 'inside' need to be eaten, in order to get rid of them.

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Thanks, Al

good stuff


You are correct. AND I NEVERQUIT.


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Right On !

We need to unite against Romney the Tyrant..... :)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

You are absolutely right on, Neverquit!

I love discourse but it is bizarre when some want to boot others out of the Movement that they disagree with on a couple of issues.

We all can do whatever we feel we are most effective with, or not. I hate politics. I am a horrible orator. So I have to work with these constants while deciding what to do next. I appreciate anyone who can stomach the politics and are good speakers, good schmoozers, and display patience.

I am studying Agenda 21 thoroughly so I can get my neighbors up to speed. We are in trouble for living next to a rural waterway. They don't know yet. So I want to educate the neighbors so we can fight it together.

Everyone has there roles.

what's the deal with being near a rural waterway?

a link will do, i know you're busy

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I am sure you have heard of Agenda 21.

It is the real coup threatening everyone around the world. It is said tyranny will come bearing a cross and draped with a flag, but alas, it is draped in green and has sprouts on top.

In short, it is the agenda for global totalitarianism being implemented at the local level under the guise of 'saving the environment'. Locally it is known as 'Smart Growth', 'Sustainable Development', or ICLEI. It is combined with the biodiversity wildlands project which aims to 'rewild' roughly 50% of the US, these areas are mostly based on ALL waterways and will become off-use to all humans. There will also be an additional 25% of the land used as buffer zones around the aforementioned wildlife corridors. These areas will than be used as hunting preserves for a certain group. This group, obviously, will not be participating in the human settlements. They will own everything. Everything they don't already own, that is.

The plan calls for deindustrialization of this nation, depopulation, herding all human activity into 'human settlements', abolition of property rights, lower the rights of humans to a status below the rights of the 'environment' and animals, the control of every aspect of our lives, 'balancing the rights of the individual with the rights of the community', 'overcoming inequity', along with many other nefarious goals.

It seems that rural Northern California and Oregon are the pilot program for squeezing the people off of their lands. There are many sources covering this on the Internet. Dr. Stan Monteith at Radio Liberty covers them often.

The rural areas near waterways are being heavily targeted now. My land and the land of my neighbors has been reclassified as 'conservation lands' by the local comprehensive future use plans. Different local governments are acquiring all surrounding lands. We live directly in the center of a future wildlife corridor. So our property rights have already been squashed by the rendering of our property unusable. I was first planning on moving, but I love my home and I am going to stay and fight for our rights.

The actually Agenda 21 plan is available at Amazon. Your local jurisdictions will have available your community plans. Here are a few videos with more cohesive explanations. Alex Jones has some great interviews with Rosa Koire as well. She has a book - 'The Green Mask' on the subject.

Rosa Koire

Michael Shaw


i actually heard of this about 10 yrs ago from kent hovind

but didn't keep up with it. thanks for the shove.:-)

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

There are some saddening interchanges.

We had a focus, a goal to take the message to Tampa.

But whenever "The Movement" comes up i am reminded that bowels have movements.

Intellectual revolution doesn't require movement only a turn around again and look a little closer and discern what is real.

Individuals moving towards liberty, as individuals is what we are dealing with.

We still have a common goal.

Free includes debt-free!

LittleWing's picture

Sound advice, there are many ways to move forward

Thank you,Neverquit. You may have missed elviejos post with similar sentiments. I had hoped to see it on front page or at least kept active a bit longer. Well worth reading.

The "REVOLUTION" encompasses many roads. No need to fight

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.