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You're ALL Right! Keep On Posting!

The current phase of the r3VOLution, the one led by Dr. Ron Paul, is over. It is moving into a new phase, and I'd like to describe what that is. First, though, many of us on DP have posted our views of how we should direct all our talent:

  • Some have said we should all join the Libertarian Party and vote Gary Johnson.
  • Some have said we should all stay Republicans and vote Gary Johnson this time.
  • Some have said we should become Independent, divorce from politics and just work in our families/communities.
  • Some have said we should bring everyone into the GOP and strengthen our grassroots effort, maybe with the Tea Party, to win more influence and eventually take over.
  • Some have said that we are in an abusive relationship with the GOP, and the only way to end it is to walk away.
  • Some have said that the PTB want us to walk away, so they can keep making things worse, and for that reason we shouldn't back down.
  • Some have said that we should try to find one standard-bearer to rally around, and try to elevate the Judge, Rand, Amash, or someone else to the leader position.
  • Some have said we should just support all Liberty messengers and fill spots with Liberty people from the bottom-up so we have lots of Liberty candidates in 4 years.
  • Some of us are all about Johnson, some are all about Molyneux, some are all about Woods, some are all about Kokesh, some are all about Schiff, some are all about Rand.
  • Most of us are all about Ron Paul.

In my opinion: You're all right!

In fact, there's no right or wrong here. There's just liberty. The message of liberty means that none of us is forcing anyone else to do anything. So, as long as we're all educating the people in the cause of liberty...

  • If you want to work outside the system to bring it down, like Gandhi and MLKjr, more power to you!
  • If you want to work inside the system to bring it down, like Mandela and Dr. Paul, more power to you!
  • If you want to use alternative media and the Web to build a 3rd party image, more power to you!
  • If you want to just teach your family and neighbors through non-agression, more power to you!
  • If you want to wait a while and see what happens before making up your mind, more power to you!

Whatever you do:

  • You must realize that your way is not the only way. Our individuality makes us useful in many ways.
  • Don't feel like you can't advocate your position to get more people involved in your effort.
  • Be understanding if it's not your prospect's cup of tea and help direct them to another Liberty effort.

Personally, I want to walk Ron Paul's footsteps for a while, so I'll be active in the GOP as so many are, and do my best to expose the hypocrisy and corruption, while trying to elevate discussions to incorporate reason, rights and responsibility.

Why is it ok for us to have such a "fractured" movement?

Well, here's my wild prediction for the future:

Somewhere between an economic collapse, WWIII and the democratization of knowledge through alternative media, I think that our liberty warriors will take over the GOP sometime in the next 8 years. The disenfranchised neoconservatives will then form a new Republican party. In the ensuing mess, our Liberty GOP will call for a permanent coalition of Libertarian, Constitution, Green and other third parties, along with disaffected Republicans, Democrats and Independents, with a simple one-page platform that is simply pro-liberty, leaving out any differences between the messages of the separate parties while emphasizing simply an end to crony capitalism and government abuse while promoting individual choice and state sovereignty.

My forecasting model (my brain) breaks down at that point because it could either be civil war or utopia. Who knows and who really cares? All that matters is that we all live in the present, be prepared, and that none of us are overly obsessed with getting everyone on our side. If I'm even remotely right, the independence of America and Americans depends on us having liberty people in every party (except the named socialist ones - yuck :P) and outside of the party, just being positive influences every day.

To sum up, as long as you believe in liberty and you make any effort to spread it, you are doing great! Be involved, and if you are already, be more involved! Try to span gaps, become a fusion influence, study philosophy and stay positive!

If you think I'm right, thanks, and comment anyway.

If you think I'm wrong, pat yourself on the back because you are probably proving my point, and please comment.

In Liberty...




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You can not fix a problem if you do not understand what it is. Many of you think that humans are natural lovers of liberty. We are not. We are wired to be authoritarian and stupid.

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that come up under the names factotum666 or dnusbaum.com, usually first or second, are mine. If you think that those words are special, then use either orwell or boot, and almost any combination of: obedience, tyranny, government, authority. My article will be either 1st or 2nd.

I would like to do something with the popularity of this 6000 word article, either by way of talks / speeches or working on expanding the ideas in the article. I am currently doing that at http://xfoolnature.org/?p=10
where I become less pessimistic, and offer some possible specific concrete solutions.

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If all are RIGHT, then what is WRONG...

Would it be right for me, within the liberty movement to begin supporting Obama and his administration?

Liberty does have a framework, does it not? Liberty, while not forcing itself upon someone in a regulatory way, does recognize WRONG (i.e. Socialism, Progressivism, Totalitarianism, etc.)

So, if any of us Liberty folks begin exhibiting signs of socialist, corporatist thought and espousing anti-freedom sentiments, can it be said at that point ALL are RIGHT?

You say for example, that some of us are "all about Rand." Well, if you are all about Rand, you CANNOT be all about liberty. Unless you think its okay to campaign for Pseudo-cons who believe its "APPROPRIATE" to strip Americans of freedoms whenever our wise overlords deem it necessary.

Open for honest debate - but, by the Constitution of the US, your "all are right" statement doesn't hold water.

Peace in Principle...always.

When injustice becomes Law; Revolution becomes DUTY!!

I explain what I believe the

I explain what I believe the liberty movement needs here (please read, I think it's interesting):

http://www.dailypaul.com/240236/decentralizing-centralizing-...

As such, I have begun work on a website called LibertyHQ (the name is temporary). I have begun aggregating articles on libertarianism and categorizing them. I'm also working to create a platform for organizing libertarian activism - both online and offline. Lastly, I'd like to use this as a springboard to create NEW leaders in the movement - because that's what we need - bright young minds making an eloquent case for liberty. We can't replace Ron Paul - he's unique; but we sure as hell can become even better ;)

Check out LibertyHQ, where I aggregate the all best articles on libertarianism by topic! For now, the "Issues in Libertopia" section is the most developed. Find a link to it below:

LibertyHQ

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I like you.

Great Post!!!

To those that say that we should all pick one course of action, avoid being divided and so on—we are united for the cause of Liberty. That is what unites us. And it is that individual liberty that is expressed through whatever way we see we can be most affective in.

So, if you want to unite with people staying in the GOP, do it. If you want to leave the GOP and join the Libertarian party, do it. If you're done with the political system and are looking for creative ways to bring about positive change, wake up minds, then do that.

The problem in getting anything done is thinking you have to do it all or nothing. Do what inspires you without requiring others to follow suit. That's not a libertarian perspective. We are all uniquely talented and the more variety there is in the fight for Liberty, the easier it is for more people to join. Everyone should feel like they can be of some help and inspire others to do the same.

Remember that many supporters, such as myself, are not even American citizens so any political approach is off the table. I chose to make some art (see sig) to do what small part I can.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

You should be a politician

Doesn't matter if it's contradictory, as long as it sounds good.

You're all right. Keep on posting.

One day while on my way to the grocery store, I spotted a bumper sticker on a car in front of me that said "Google Ron Paul" So when I got home, I did, and here I am. That's all it took. That bumper sticker inviting me to check him out. I had heard of Ron Paul vaguely in the past, but once I actually looked him up I was hooked. So maybe the answer is a million "Google Ron Paul" bumper stickers?

PattyFromTexas

You're all right. Keep on posting.

What a great post! All of us who support liberty spread the message first. The most important tool in our arsenal is education, spread the message, spread the message, spread the message. As someone said to me earlier this year, "There are millions of people who are hearing Ron Paul's message for the first time, and many millions more who have never heard it" Information is our road to success. How can people make sound decisions if they don't have accurate information? We have to provide that information to as many friends and acquaintances as possible!

PattyFromTexas

Nice post!

I guess the best thing is to stay involved in the ways that you can.

While you are deciding...

do this:

http://www.dailypaul.com/253179/gary-johnson-ron-paul-libert...

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Do What's in your Heart. . .

for liberty... and cheer and support everyone else that is doing the same. The Liberty Movement doesn't need to be united in its tactics and strategies... It was never intended for that purpose.

The Liberty Movement needs to be an ideological home and decentralized support mechanism. It needs to be a place where as we bring the message of liberty to the mainstream, we can help each other remain grounded in the founding principles.

If its in your heart to write-in Ron Paul, then the Gary Johnson advocates should cheer that. If you believe in remaining in the GOP to effect change... the Liberty movement should be where you come to wash away the establishment residue and abide in the knowledge and conversation of your peers in liberty. If you're an Independent Conservative then cheer your Republican peers in their efforts and accomplishments.

We can certainly voice our ideas about direction and the good ones will emerge with the most support, but there are rightfully no mechanisms beyond this to compel our friends in liberty down certain courses of action. This is a strength... not a weakness.

“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.” —Thomas Jefferson

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Thanks for the calming post

I think focusing on this election/office has made many of us think that we have to change everybody's mind in the next 15 minutes.

There's something calming about not having to focus on it. I know people are still scrambling to hope Dr. Paul announces a third party run to escape the feeling that you're watching your child drown out of grasp.

Here's hoping that, at least, this site returns to a happy place soon. :-)

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All I need to hear...

is who Ron Paul plans to vote for, then I'll do the same.

I need a break from all this.....soon

Just a break from everything, politics, even the Daily Paul~~

it's cognitively liberating to see it all . . .

in one place--

thanks and bump--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Parties come and go

The USA has had other parties with obsolete platforms disappear- the whigs, the torries, etc. Trying to take over the republican party is like giving the party a bailout when its failing. Let the party fall to the wayside and create a new party!

Hurricane Ron!

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DucatiJeanne

United we stand...divided we fall : (

Sure, everyone is right. But we do have to pick one strategy. If we all split up into different parties then our voice will not hold a majority anywhere!

Yes, Yes, Yes!

This is what it means to be libertarian! We work best when we are free to use our own unique skills and perspectives to forge a path that needs to be forged. Sure, it would be nice to be one "bloc" and vote the same way, or all be in one "united" party. But people within the GOP who are ripe for liberty may not hear it if we all leave the GOP. And literally millions are ripe for liberty who would never listen if we are only in the GOP (we certainly saw that in the Primary season).

Onward, Patriots! We are the antibiotics this country needs! Spread out throughout the "body" and overtake the infection...one cell at a time!

All well and good but....

united we stand, divided we fall. At some point we have to come together and vote as a group for one that best supports our quest for liberty.

Divided, we will never achieve our goal. That's a reality check.

On the surface, that is true...

...but other than voting for RP for President, we are such a hugely diverse group of people that to corral everyone into a single focus is just not going to happen. Spread out, and free to carry the liberty banner down the paths we each choose, we are like Benjamin Martin's milita ("The Patriot"). The enemy never knows where we are going to attack, and never knows quite where to attack us, since we are not lined up for a "gentleman's battle". THAT was a huge key to winning the Revolutionary war, and it is no different for our R3VOLUTION today.

That's a fine strategy once we show our....

numbers as a group. If you don't show we have enough numbers to tilt an election one way or the other, then we'll always be labeled as a divided insignificant fringe.

Neither party will waste their time negotiating with us.

Exactly

I'm on board to vote GJ but if there is another way to get our numbers shown or voices heard...I'm all ears

Ditto..

Same here. I think it is crucial that we vote in a manner that our numbers can be clearly seen as the difference between Romney/GOP winning or losing a future election.

If we do that, then they have no choice but to negotiate with us, not mock and ignore us.

If we don't, then they'll assume we aren't a significant factor and will continue to ignore, mock and treat us as a nuisance.

It would be nice if Ron Paul would join or publicly endorse GJ.

At least tell us who he plans to vote for. Someone should ask him and why he will vote that way.

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Nice post Paceme.

I agree and I do fall into one or more of these categories.

I think many of us are kind of dazed and confused as to how to proceed at the present.

Let's face it, we ARE all here because of a very special man.

When I first heard Dr. Paul speak in 2007, I said "FINALLY, a man of principle telling the truth."

Little did I know that he had been doing this for 30 years but I had never heard of him before.

Maybe the time had simply come for his message.

That time is still here - in fact now more than ever.

The only way they stopped this idea whose time had come was to CHEAT us out of it.

The fact is that there simply are not enough of us (correct thinkers) to hoist Dr. Paul into the presidency.

He tried. We tried.

The thing to take away from all this is that this country (especially republicans who had the opportunity right in front of their stupid noses) simply is not aware enough, intelligent enough or principled enough to hear his message.

Reminds me of another figure in human history who spoke the truth to the masses but only a few would listen.

If it's any consolation, that message is atill alive and well centuries later.

I expect the same with Dr. Paul's message of liberty.

It will stand the test of time.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Excellent job!

Well said. I agree and believe this is our track for success and survival. I only hope it will be less that 8 years.

Encouraging words!

It's good to be reminded that we are all connected to this movement.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

You are all involved! Wrong or right keep fighting for Liberty!

Yeeeeaaaahh! Thank you for persevering.

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