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LibBerte: Where There’s Smoke …

This is not a usual Weekend Meditation. I find smoke an occasion for reflection without mirrors. I hope you agree this concept may offer an approach more substantive than politics:


I am a long time member of Daily Paul and want to invite you to be a part of a marketing/social project involving several other longtime members.

I have had the notion for some time that the next phase of the R3VOLution will advance as we find free market ways to network the message among and beyond ourselves and into the culture, one by one.


I have convinced an upstart cigar company, Kings Cigars, with which I am recently affiliated, that it makes grass roots marketing sense to connect with the liberty movement, help advance the cause while we help ourselves, as a true anarcho-capitalist might, building a free market mutual fan base doing our part to fight the good fight. Tolerance and personal liberty are indispensible to the enjoyment of our favorite social pastime – the smoking of fine cigars. What better occasion to get together with opinionated people to talk about government encroachment? It’s a hot topic even among the Rush Limbaugh set.



This could prove a model encouraging other liberty oriented enterprises to put their money where their mouth is. It’s none too soon to make this pitch among our crowd.

Kings Cigars had a crew in Tampa, and a booth presence at Paul Fest. We are just starting to reach out and will need help coordinating some of the social network/forum placement/alternative media promotion involving ‘outside’ the political box aspects of this unfolding project to disseminate ideas. We will need to pull it together and share progress by youtube videos, forum posts, event sponsorship, ads, interviews and internet, as well as face to face connectivity.

We don’t have the budget of the high finance Establishment brands with their raised panel parlors. We’ll settle for the unvarnished and we’ll sit around campfires and fishing piers. We’ll take it outdoors where everyday folks might gather for a backyard barbeque with neighbors. In the spirit of barn-raising I envision sponsoring liberty-minded cigar clubs and events ( Biker rally’s, veteran’s gatherings, charity fundraisers, tailgating, gun shoots, golf outings, sportsman banquets, etc.). Help us become your cigar company as we help you light little fires in your community, one flint spark at a time.

“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark in the hopeless swaps of the not-quite, the not-yet, and the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.. it is real.. it is possible.. it's yours.”

― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Will you talk with me about freedom, cigars, and how we might assist each other in mutual efforts to carry the message hand to hand …
O U T S I D E ? This is r’Evolution ! !

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"...And I turn my eyes to the future ...

... shall I follow the fitful fire?"

[ I thank my fond friend Liberty_Belle for supplying the context of the famous Rudyard Kipling remark - " And a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke."

I hope you enjoy it, and, as I did, find wry context for life's flirtations on our journey with Liberty, the love of our life. ]

'The Betrothed'
- By Rudyard Kipling

Open the old cigar-box, get me a Cuba stout,
For things are running crossways, and Maggie and I are out.

We quarrelled about Havanas -- we fought o'er a good cheroot,
And I knew she is exacting, and she says I am a brute.

Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider a space;
In the soft blue veil of the vapour musing on Maggie's face.

Maggie is pretty to look at -- Maggie's a loving lass,
But the prettiest cheeks must wrinkle, the truest of loves must pass.

There's peace in a Larranaga, there's calm in a Henry Clay;
But the best cigar in an hour is finished and thrown away --

Thrown away for another as perfect and ripe and brown --
But I could not throw away Maggie for fear o' the talk o' the town!

Maggie, my wife at fifty -- grey and dour and old --
With never another Maggie to purchase for love or gold!

And the light of Days that have Been the dark of the Days that Are,
And Love's torch stinking and stale, like the butt of a dead cigar --

The butt of a dead cigar you are bound to keep in your pocket --
With never a new one to light tho' it's charred and black to the socket!

Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider a while.
Here is a mild Manila -- there is a wifely smile.

Which is the better portion -- bondage bought with a ring,
Or a harem of dusky beauties, fifty tied in a string?

Counsellors cunning and silent -- comforters true and tried,
And never a one of the fifty to sneer at a rival bride?

Thought in the early morning, solace in time of woes,
Peace in the hush of the twilight, balm ere my eyelids close,

This will the fifty give me, asking nought in return,
With only a Suttee's passion -- to do their duty and burn.

This will the fifty give me. When they are spent and dead,
Five times other fifties shall be my servants instead.

The furrows of far-off Java, the isles of the Spanish Main,
When they hear my harem is empty will send me my brides again.

I will take no heed to their raiment, nor food for their mouths withal,
So long as the gulls are nesting, so long as the showers fall.

I will scent 'em with best vanilla, with tea will I temper their hides,
And the Moor and the Mormon shall envy who read of the tale of my brides.

For Maggie has written a letter to give me my choice between
The wee little whimpering Love and the great god Nick o' Teen.

And I have been servant of Love for barely a twelvemonth clear,
But I have been Priest of Cabanas a matter of seven year;

And the gloom of my bachelor days is flecked with the cheery light
Of stums that I burned to Friendship and Pleasure and Work and Fight.

And I turn my eyes to the future that Maggie and I must prove,
But the only light on the marshes is the Will-o'-the-Wisp of Love.

Will it see me safe through my journey or leave me bogged in the mire?
Since a puff of tobacco can cloud it, shall I follow the fitful fire?

Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider anew --
Old friends, and who is Maggie that I should abandon you?

A million surplus Maggies are willing to bear the yoke;
And a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke.

Light me another Cuba -- I hold to my first-sworn vows.
If Maggie will have no rival, I'll have no Maggie for Spouse!


No thanks..


I try to change people every day. Do You?

Isn’t Your Home Your Castle?

Not for long with that attitude.


“It’s time we became zealots for the defense of our rights.”

Speaking of long. The depression era populist, Huey P. Long adopted the slogan ‘Every man a King’ as the cornerstone of his political campaigns for governor of Louisiana and US Senate. His platform, like the Occupy Movement of today came close to the real issues. Close, but no cigar. His fights against the moneyed interests including the Federal Reserve earned him the umbrage of FDR who privately said of Long that along with General Douglas MacArthur, "[H]e was one of the two most dangerous men in America."

The motto: "Every man a king, but no one wears a crown," was a phrase adopted from Democratic presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan.

Bryan’s call to action:

“We do not come as aggressors. Our war is not a war of conquest;
we are fighting in the defense of our homes, our families, and posterity.
We have petitioned, and our petitions have been scorned;
we have entreated, and our entreaties have been disregarded;
we have begged, and they have mocked when our calamity came.
We beg no longer; we entreat no more; we petition no more. We defy them!”

Nice sentiments. The solutions missed the mark, but they were a start. We certainly can find much, with which we will disagree , in the political philosophies of both these historical figures of the last century, but when we appreciate the context of the meme of that era, we can celebrate the consensus we shared as to the nature of the fight. Our ‘dangerous’ populist hero of this century has a better handle on the solution.

Every man a King means we are each sovereign. Close enough for me. Have a cigar.

I'll smoke to that.....


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Common sense and common courtesy

Hi, LibBerte, What a fantastic idea. You have my wholehearted support. It seems there have been some minor victories in New York - including some stay re a smoking ban in state parks. "'We won't be issuing tickets. Right now, it's a policy based in common sense and common courtesy,' said Keefe..." In that case it was predicated on a threatened lawsuit that drew on "the non-delegation doctrine of the state Constitution, Article II, Section 1, which states "the legislative power of this state shall be vested in the Senate and Assembly." It was accused that "These bans were imposed by bureaucratic fiat, not legislated law and on that basis alone, they're unconstitutional..." (If only we could use that same principle to apply to the federal gov't and fiat laws imposed by "czars.") http://www.legislativegazette.com/Articles-Top-Stories-c-201...

Re smoking, using common sense and common courtesy is how it should operate everywhere - upon a foundation of respect for private property and individual liberty. Btw, I loved the video clip.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

'Liberty Brings Us Together ...

... it should never be divisive ..." , or words to that effect, were part of Ron Paul's speech at the 'We Are The Future Rally' that didn't make it into the final cut of the video posted here, mainly because that part of his message should be so familiar to us by now that we didn't think it needed to be highlighted. But perhaps it bears repeating even among our crowd that most problems are best solved privately, not through government.

There will always be a problem of some discourtesy in the world, but it is best handled through social norms. We in the Liberty Movement shouldn't want the government to be mandating courtesy nor controlling access to public space.

A city park may be as close to a state of nature that many people will get to experience these days. It may be a mistake to believe that man, in a state of nature, is more disposed to cruelty than courtesy. I have John Locke's, The Founder's, and Ron Paul's faith and will trust liberty.

An idea re discourtesies

One of the complaints concerns butts left on the ground. It would be great if they could come up with some pocket-size container to carry them home (or to a street's wastebasket) for proper disposal, the way dog owners are required to look after their pets. (I'm laughing wondering if I only thought of that analogy because of prior DP remarks re scatology.) Anyway, what I had in mind was some thin, inexpensive fire-proof cigar/cigarette butt case - or maybe a variety of styles, from something inexpensive and "kitschy" in tin depicting a King's Cigar/Liberty logo on one side and inscribed with LIBERTY messages on the other... to something expensive and more discreet in sterling. Creates good will, serves as a conversation starter, helps raise awareness of the company logo when left on the table, and the company makes a small profit on each. Perhaps an additional butt case could be carried along in a briefcase or inside jacket pocket. ["Do you smoke? Here, I have an extra..."] Cigarette smokers would surely be interested in such a product as well. So might Liberty-minded non-smokers who could use the tins to carry a stick of gum or other thin personal effects such as a couple business cards. Well, it's a thought.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Leave It ...

... to the creative energy of enterprising free individuals, like yourself to design constructive solutions to social needs. You've described the basic components of a compost heap. So what's the fuss over removing butts and butt byproducts from an area where one objective of park maintenance would be to help things grow. Personally, I take the ring off the cigar and put the ring in my pocket while I return the spent leaves to the soil.
It's heartening to see fellow libertarians eschew kitsch by remaining down to earth even if not promoting composting.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

And just cigars are exactly as you described. Not being a cigar smoker myself, I guess, erroneously, I was thinking of "smokers" at large - all the non-biodegradable filters from cigarettes left on park walkways, sidewalks, and streets. "95% of cigarette filters are made of cellulose acetate (a plastic)..."

Well, if there are any liberty-minded American Spirit honchos here at the Daily Paul... DO IT!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Unconsenting Adulteration

So it's the additives to tobacco which detracts. It too burns me to see any litter rudely making a mess. As is usually the case, it is that which is synthetic which dispoils the state of nature. But I won't let the burning political push and shove of the day give pause to my pause and distract from the real point.

A good cigar is a smoke.

“I like to think of fire held in a man's hand. Fire, a dangerous force, tamed at his fingertips. I often wonder about the hours when a man sits alone, watching the smoke of a cigarette, thinking. I wonder what great things have come from such hours. When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind--and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression.”

― Ayn Rand

Blowin Smoke

Hey LibBerte! I applaud the idea of 'takin it outside' spreading the message while supporting fellow freedom fighters in whatever endeavor they may choose moving forward. I really like the Easy Rider clip in the video ad, classic! I'm not a cigar smoker but if I were I would rather support a grassroots company that in turn supports Liberty. I believe there was a thread on here once that lists businesses of fellow patriots to support, if anyone can find it please provide the link.

Cheers to the 'Cigar Fighters'

P.S. That video is like this forum has been lately, pretty thick with smoke, a LOT of 'blowin smoke' but to each his/her own, you CAN just take it outside!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

LOL (cough)

LOL (cough)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Liberty Belle!!!! I've missed

Liberty Belle!!!! I've missed you. Sad to say it but I've been guilty of blowin smoke myself. http://youtu.be/oheuQfHUf2s

On the positive side, I just figured out how to talk to reasonable neocons. Really. I wouldn't lie about that.

Don't be a stranger, Ms. Belle. DP has lost something since you've been away living life on your own terms.

RealDeal!!! Yay!

I've missed you too! Shoot me an email and we'll catch up. I love your 'how to talk to neocons' video, lol!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Blowing Smoke Up My Kilt

Belle: I figured that if I embedded a Pink Floyd video we'd get you to come out and dance with us. I've missed you around the neighborhood.

Have a cigar.


Youtube VIDEO

Here's the link to the youtube video which was intended to be the focus of this Post:


It seems DP has changed so you can no longer edit original posts. I now understand that Youtube is apparently easier to work with, including easier to imbed.

May I direct your attention to this video and invite you to sit down with me to pass a moment together in conversation about freedom and free market efforts to advance such conversations?

How 'bout this project?

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for edits.

I replaced the vimeo with the youtube.

The smell of VICTORY!

viva la r3VOLution :)

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breathe deep ...

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Thank you again.

    ((( healing vibes >>>

We Are The Future ...

... for the love of God.


Thanks, Wiz. ;-)

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We Are The Future ...

Google image search that and all sorts of Ron Paul pics come up (!)

cheers, LiBerte and welcome back, Liberty_Belle ;>

That picture is soooo great.

That picture is soooo great. Can I use it? It's OK if you'd rather I didn't.

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THANKS, Realdeal! You're right, but unfortunately it's not mine.
I found it here with other cool pics - see bottom
Update: I see you can leave a comment at the bottom of his site - may be a way to ask for permission to use it?

That's OK. It's a good site

That's OK. It's a good site and lots of good pictures. Thanks Wiz.

Smelly cigars? No thank you.

Smelly cigars? No thank you. uggggh

I have a right to clean air. But you can do it on private property all you want. Just don't do it near me, in a public area. thanks.

The solution

to the problem of offensive cigar smoke in public areas is obvious: Ban public areas.

When land is privately owned, the owner sets the terms on which others may use it. Avoid areas owned by people who set disagreeable terms. Problem solved.

Folks who produce pollution which affects the air on adjacent properties owned by other people may be committing a tort in common law, and may be sued for damages or other remedy.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Agreed, but till then, please

Agreed, but till then, please stop smoking in public. It leads to a really nasty odor.

Your are Guaranteed no Right

to NOT be offended. If that's the kind of government you want, then what in the hell are you doing here?

If it's a public place then it's available to the ENTIRE public (including people you personally don't like). If it's a private venue, then it's up to the OWNER to decide who's allowed on HIS/HER property.

If I were "rich as Bill Gates", I'd open a bar called "Smokey Smokers Smokin' Smoke filled Smoker's Bar and Cigar Lounge" and hire enough attornies to make it stick. Tired of this bullying bullshit.