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Conference Call: Dr. Paul is Willing, Seeking Indications of His Support for Third Party Run.

Here is the low-down from the historic conference call last night (at call capacity, over 1,000 people.) I listened to a couple of hours of it, it went briskly and professionally. This is what Alaska delegate and call organizer Evan Cutler reported from his recent conversation with Ron Paul.

- Dr. Paul doesn't do Facebook or even computers much, so he doesn't have that sense of how much over-the-top support he has out here. He thinks he might not have enough to do a third party run even though he is open to it.

- Obviously it is do-able or he wouldn't have left the door open. All the talk about sore loser laws and ballot difficulties presumes Dr. Paul doesn't know about these things. As we know, he knows more about how these things work than most of us will in 20 lifetimes. So focusing on obstacle is (my opinion) just plain silly if not outright trollish.

- If he does run, he would like us to be in the precincts as officials and poll watchers to keep it honest. There is no sense doing a run if they can just steal it. We are talking a big time, precinct-by-precinct operation. We have the numbers for it.

Those are the biggest take-aways I got. Forget about the "leave him alone" and "let him rest" meme. He is taking the temperature. If you are going to call to express support, now is the time to do it.

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Nice summary of our call - thank you!

The response so far has been overwhelming! We are working on a new webpage and facebook group which will be opened late tomorrow night.

You can share our most current information:
Here is the teleconference link: https://www.facebook.com/events/343258709094797/

Updates first, then details on the conference.

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Big Event to show Ron Paul in person your support for him to keep up the fight - tomorrow (Tuesday) 1 PM in California - Outside the Jay Leno Show Studio:

From Calvin Lee, California Organizer:

This is your chance to see Ron Paul again especially if you missed the Tampa Rally. INVITE & GO VIRAL!

We are here to show Dr. Ron Paul support if he so chooses to run for president as a third party candidate. His convictions throughout the last 30 years have changed the American political climate for the better. Top priority issues like the 16 Trillion dollar national debt, abolishing the Federal Reserve, Constitutionality, civil liberties, and internet freedom are now at the forefront of political policies and actually matter to the youth, all thanks to the tireless efforts of Dr. Paul.

9/4/12
The welcoming committee will meet and sign bomb will take place on corner of Bob Hope Drive and Parkside Avenue (address and phone number of the studio at the bottom)

SIGN BOMB STARTS AT 1 PM

Get your tickets now!
http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/tickets/

Los Angeles Grassroots will be having a debriefing right outside the Leno studios (#11) in Jonny Carson Park so please plan to stay for that event.

If you can't get ticket confirmations, make sure you get to the ticket center early in the morning at 6-8am to wait for standby tickets.

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Monday Update: I have it on high authority with the Libertarian Campaign that they are open to Dr. Paul as VP, and will poll their state organizers, leaders and executive committee to make sure there is agreement, should Dr. Paul accept our plea.

In the meantime, our efforts to try to win Dr. Paul's support are not in vain.

Dr. Paul will have to let the Libertarian Party know of his interest ASAP due to certain ballot access timing restricitons--please encourage him to stand tall and soon. I'll add a list of things to do to this post a bit later today.

Also, the response has been so overwheming that we have created a team of trusted activists from our work here in Alaska to help improve the communications. We will soon have a website up with all the best and most up to date information, as well as a Facebook Group just for this effort. Look for another update here tonight with email, phone, and website information.

I'll copy a letter I sent to Dr. Paul today, so you can see my own message. Everyone has a different view of course, and you are entitled to it, with mutual respect.

In the meantime, the vast majority of feedback I'm getting from Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, and Independents alike is that this is a worthy and widely supported effort, so it will continue.

Pessimists, and others who disagree, we understand and respect your doubts and concerns, but we are going to keep trying, because it feels right. It is a free society, and we are doing what we can to preserve and spread the message of Liberty now, not 4 years from now.

Thank you to everyone who is positive and working on this option! Keep recruiting more!

PS It's Labor day today, so be patient with calls--you will get through to Dr. Paul's offices better tomorrow.

Sunday Night Update: The Sunday Call had 1804 callers, according to the call detail. The room only holds 1,000 people, so some people got disconnected and they called back or were displaced. There is clearly wide demand for this effort.

If you would like to hear the Sunday night teleconference, the contact info is below:

For those who missed the call and would like to hear it, here is the playback number. You can call in and replay the entire two hour call. Conference Playback Information
Playback Number: (559) 726-1299
Access Code: 811476

The next (second) call is Thursday at:

5:00 PM ALASKA TIME That is:
6:00 PM Pacific
7:00 PM Mountain
8:00 PM Central
9:00 PM Eastern, for those who might be confused. I apologize for any mistakes made in earlier annoucements.

As posted before, I spoke with Dr. Paul Saturday about continuing the fight by running on a third party ticket. I will continue to share what he said to me and let you know what needs to be done to make this happen. It can happen, but it's going to take some work. If you are willing to support this effort, please share this event and call in:

Conference dial-in number: (559) 726-1200

Participant access code: 811476

We will also have at least one live stream over the internet for those who can't attend by phone, and will again record the call for people who can't make it.

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Alaska Ron Paul Delegates, Organizer -- http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1826/
Alaska DVD for Delegates, Organizer -- http://www.ronpa

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emailed and faxed. Go Ron Paul!

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Who said Dr. Paul is willing to do this?

On the conference call it was IMPLIED third-hand, that he MIGHT.

In any sane world that means no one has heard anything about any intention of the good Dr.'s INCLUDING Evan or Israel or whoever from Alaska.

Continuing to propagate this rumor is LYING.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

Opinions are not facts, rumors are not facts, intimations are not facts, dissimilation is not fact.

If you're not dealing with the facts, then what are you dealing with?

It needs to be noted.

That I have been downvoted for asking for evidence.

Upvotes are being given to those attacking people asking for evidence.

And yet "James Madison" labels me a troll.

Do you not see the irony?

You think this is how RP would act or expect us to act?

It's unbelievable hypocracy. And it's a dangerous hypocracy for those who call themselves libertarian.

LOL I love trolls who use lots of caps. You guys are so silly

Anyhow it wasn't "implied," it was said outright: Ron said he would be willing if he thought he had enough support. He told this to the delegate and call organizer who had a direct conversation with Ron. This delegate uses his real name unlike you and has a real constituency. Unlike anonymous trolls who come into forums and speak authoritatively from behind a green curtain. But thanks for the bump, keep it going!

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Really? You heard him say it?

No you did not. So you don't know.

You heard someone say that they heard that he said it. So, case in point - a THIRD-HAND implication.

Representing something you don't know as fact or representing rumor as fact is called LYING.

We do know because Evan wouldn't lie about this

you expose nothing if you haven't even taken the time to investigate this thoroughly. Did you listen to the conference call? Did you read the followup letter sent to Dr.Paul and Carol? Are you aware that there is support from many in the upper levels of the Libertarian Party on this?

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That's fine.

THEN SHOW THE EVIDENCE.

There is none except "evan said." and "evan would not lie."

I hate to tell you, but that's the DEFINITION of a rumor.

Representing RUMOR AS FACT is called LYING, because it deliberately represents one thing as something it's not.

And you complain about the GOP? You are doing the SAME THING.

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Where did he say this?

"Ron said he would be willing if he thought he had enough support."

ALL of his public comments are to the contrary, so where is the statement by himself or a staff member?

Ron Paul has always expressed that it is not possible to get enough support to get a successful third party run due to the various hurdles in place.

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Agreed...

See my below comment which basically says the same thing. So on this we agree. As much as I think it would be great for everyone, to suggest it as possible without a source is wishful thinking at best, and dishonest at worst.

Edit: I LOVE the down votes for people calling for evidence instead of providing it. It just goes to show that even/especially on the DP, many are ruled by emotion instead of being rational.

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I'll support him.

Whatever he wants to do, I'll support it the best I can. I hope he prays sincerely about this decision. Right now, I am tired and a bit down. If he's up for it, he has far more stamina than I do ^^ I don't think I'd make it in politics. But I've already chosen to continue trying to change minds about the way our government should function, and I can try to convince people that since the voting system is rigged anyway, they are free to vote their conscience. They don't have to vote for a criminal if they don't really want to.

If he runs 3rd party, we should not theorize here on this board. Information is vitally important, and Dr. Paul's enemies can use information very effectively to counter him. So if any of us have any confidential information or theories or ideas, the internet is the LAST place to share it, unless given the go-ahead by Dr. Paul himself. And if we make too much noise about any success he has, his enemies will hear and use their Big Dirty Money power to undo that, too.

At least, that is my take on it. I've never been a delegate, so I don't know how much our noisemaking has emboldened our enemies.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

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Please clarify.

I missed a step. Of course I understand the desire of the community to want Ron Paul to continue. I also understand the support he would get. And it is great that the LP is willing to do what it takes to keep Ron Paul delivering the message. And I think it would be a tremendous boon to arguably the most successful third party that has existed in modern times. It is debatable whether Ron Paul is/is not aware of all of this.

However, the piece that I am missing is when you make the statement that Ron Paul is open to this at all. I have never seen/heard him say any such thing and would like to know if there is a legitimate source for this, or wishful thinking?

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The source is Alaska delegate Evan Cutler who organized

the conference call (there is another one Thursday) who reports he had a discussion with Dr. Paul in which he asked him if he would consider a third party ticket run. He says Dr. Paul told him he is willing but is not sure he has enough support for a third party run. That sounds just like our humble Dr. Paul, filling stadiums at UCLA to capacity but not sure of his support. Ya gotta love this guy.

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'k...

As much as I would like to believe it, that isn't actually a valid source. I am not saying he would lie, or otherwise be dishonest. However, speech his subject to interpretation.

I would consider valid sources as written, recorded statements by Ron Paul, or any ranking member of his staff such as Doug Wead, or Jesse Benton (no anti-Benton stuff guys, I am just saying he is responsible for an official speaking position within the campaign).

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jesse who?

He's on the "Do not talk to me or any other RP supporter" list!

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"Ron Paul does not do Facebook or computers much"

Not true Dr. Paul has even admitted to me that he reads the Daily Paul all the time. Carol is also an avid reader of the Daily Paul.They might be reading right now.

Cool. I should have said more concisely that it is the "social

networking" Facebook and twitter stuff they don't do much of, according to Evan. But I do remember a long time ago Dr. Paul saying humorously, I forget in regards to what, that "I'm a pencil and paper kind of guy" if my memory serves correctly. Somehow computers got into the discussion.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

I don't do social networking either.

DailyPaul is all that I am on. Those other things are complicated, time consuming and guberment snoop, afaic.

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

If Paul/Johnson ticket wants to really be a success it has to be

RON PAUL/Gary Johnson 2012

Ron Paul has the NAME Recognition nation wide, Gary Johnson does not have it.

Pure and Simple.

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

Is that against the rules?

As fine as having a Paul/Johnson ticket sounds, I doubt it's within the Libertarian party rules. I don't want to break rules just to get what we want.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

They don't have to break them, they can change them. If we are

going to win, it has to be Ron as President, period. Johnson running is like when Paul ran for president in 2008 and Ron didn't win. Now that millions have heard Ron Paul and like him, including Independents, Dems, and all the other parties, he has the best chance of winning. Americans are tired of the two party system and including the GOP fraud should win us quite a few Republicans as well.

A.Hansen

Hmm. That is definitely hard to argue with.

Feet on the ground.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

Count me in for Poll watching.

It would be alot more fun than a Romney/Obama vote.

The polling place is not, as far as

I understand, the main place to watch. My county switched to electronic vote counting. I was a poll worker then leader of a polling place for a few years.

What we need to also watch is the counting, is it not? And how votes are counted? By hand, by machine? There is a lot of black box vote fraud as I understand from reading Devvy Kidd at NewsWithViews.com

Not saying poll workers shouldn't be watching at polling places, but I am asking "Is that enough?"

Look up electronic vote fraud. And black box vote fraud. Probably get the same sites, but we need to be aware of vote manipulation. From what I saw online, elec. vote machines are very easy to manipulate.

It is so sad to see that the USA has degenerated to this level, where our votes can be replaced by some person programming a vote machine. Very sad...

If Ron runs 3rd P I will stay online beating the bushes for the uneducated. Right now I am at Bob Livingston's Personal Liberty Alerts on a thread, Is Mitt Fit? as SamFox. Feel free to join me. Plus you'll get a real good idea where my head is at. :-)

I think most here are in agreement with I put up there.

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