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I Have a Theory: These Trolls are Not Libertarians. They are GOP Operatives

I just realized that something doesn't smell right. What is so confusing about the Libertarian Party/Johnson hijackers of the Daily Paul site is why they are so happy to remain certain losers.

Having Ron Paul on their ticket offers a chance for any third party to really see the inside of the White House, the first third party in history to do so. Dr. Paul would put any third party immediately in the big time, instead of remaining also-rans who no one can ever remember the names of.

The Libertarians, or any third party for that matter, should be thrilled that Dr. Paul is now a free agent, the kind who can fill stadium after stadium with youthful energetic voters who can transform the face of America, and lead the march back to our constitutional republic.

Qui bono by all the Johnsonite trolling and Ron Paul third party naysaying? Something doesn't make sense. Maybe they aren't Libertarians at all, but GOP operatives. That would make far more sense, wouldn't it?

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LOL, don't ya think? We've been invaded by a LOT of non-Paul operatives wanting to disrupt our community.

Nothing is going to change as long as the world accepts

The Dollar as good as gold. Why should it? Creating money out of thin air is good business as long as people accept the money. Boobus AmericANUS has rejected Ron Paul as Republican candidate. They will reject his as third party candidate as well. Get used to it. I felt that only a dollar collapse (as RP has predicted) MIGHT have propelled him to the presidency, but, alas it was not to be. As with the German people who failed to remove Hitler, It's not going to be that easy. There is a karmic price to be paid by those who elected Bush after it was revealed that there were no WMDs in Eye-Rack. So (to paraphrase Woody Allen) we are at a crossroads. One road leads to total economic disintegration amidst a Police State, the other to thermonuclear war. Let's hope we have the wisdom to chose wisely.

Leges sine moribus vanae


Gary Johnson is a warmongering strike first FED lover.

Ron Paul is no going to run on a third party ticket.

Even he knows that a third patsy run is a dead end.

I believe it's the reversed. I believe this is the next step in flushing out the remnants of the Revolution from the GOP. A concentrated attack on those who will stay within the GOP and continue to fight.

We've come too far to turn tail and hide in the black hole known as the third party.

-No third party EVER
-No leaving the GOP EVER
Continue the fight!

Sorry bro,

I just feel like it is disrespectful to beg Dr. Paul to run on a third party ticket. Do I profess to be a "libertarian?" Heck no, I find the Libertarian philosophy and the libertarian party to be contradictions of each other. I don't belong to any "group" and find that no matter how principled a political party may be, once they get in a position of power it is the same old song. Libertarians are just like Republicans in so many ways, including calling everyone who doesn't belong to their party a "troll." How is it that you don't feel that Dr Paul has done everything in his power, and put up a fight and actually won by exposing the cheats? You want him to go campaign on a 3rd party ticket after he just finished campaigning for 12 + straight months. The guy is 77 years old, and you call people who have respect for him trolls? Do you see the irony?

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

Oh come now, it's the

Oh come now, it's the DailyPaul, everyone is a:

- Troll
- Sheeple
- Paid operative
- Boogeyman

Everyone also:

- Needs more education when they don't agree with the poster
- Against Ron Paul if they support someone ALONG with Ron Paul
- Hates GJ supporters
- Blah blah blah

I miss some of the brilliant minds we had around here in 2007. Now, we're left to these troll posts. Hopefully Dr. Paul will clear up the direction on Leno.

"they are so happy to remain certain losers"

Did you want us to go out and break windows?

Maybe rip our hair from our heads and throw ourselves down a set of stairs or two?

What are we supposed to do to convince you that we are not happy about losing.

I am yelling in agony right now. Is that good enough for you? Can you hear me?

Look - Even if Dr. Paul signs on, the odds are that we aren't going to win.

The best we can do is to register some votes so that people know we didn't go with tht status quo. If enough of us vote Libertarian, that will seem to be a tasty plum that one of the mainstream parties will want to capture in 2014 or 2016.

I'm not sure this is directed at me but...

I've been supporting Ron Paul months before I even knew who Johnson was.

Here is a video that I uploaded to YouTube in March (I didn't even know Johnson's name then): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZWCRrJUo34

I understand the conspiratorial nature of your thinking. That's what I first thought about the GJ haters: http://www.dailypaul.com/246404/real-reason-for-anti-johnson...

That isn't to say that there may be some trolls. However, I'm certainly not one of them.

I've been considerate of anyone that's been considerate to me. I return the favor if I'm poorly treated, however (but I do try to maintain a logical argument to the best of my abilities).

I don't understand the rationale for hating a candidate based on interactions with some individual that you happen not to like on the internet. It's the same attitude many of the Anti-Paul people took when confronted by belligerent supporters of the good doctor. I'm surprised to find that many Paulites act the same as those they have disliked in the past, but it's happened.

You are either for or against liberty

Simple as that.

Ron Paul is retiring, so supporting a candidate who is not running makes little sense. Asking him to continue makes a lot of sense, at least to me.

Then we all have to do what we do best and what we think make sense. That is the power of this revolution.

In my opinion too many people concentrate to much on what others should be doing. No big surprise as we have all been well educated in collectivism.

He was obviously not retiring had be become the GOP nominee

...he was ready to be president. What's interesting is all these people trying to rush his retirement.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali


How is it possible to be against him continuing his run in some way?

We are all for that apparently according to this thread (and the MODS):


Yet some people seem to be very busy retiring Ron Paul now. Hmm, makes you think what their motives are.

Ron Paul's Strategy

is smart and wise. It is a shame that nonsensical strategies make "sense" to people who haven't or can't think through things the way that Ron Paul can.

20 year Ron Paul Republican "Operative" and State Del here...

...and YOU BET YOUR @SS on what you say above.

I am totally opposed to the LP registration drive going on here trying to subtract from all of the unbelievable wins we have had nationwide taking over state, county and district GOP local parties with more to come.

I appreciate the fact that the LP and you are trying to keep your ballot status for the next cycle, but to try to couch your registration drive in an RP run for LP WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN is deliberately deceptive, i.e. LYING.


What the FBI man said...agreed...Lots of Hacks in here right now, some have been here for months just waiting for the right moment to launch their agenda.....People who are falling off the wagon already should be treated as suspect. Ron Paul has the best strategy. We have come a long way and those willing to give that up already and those who are trying to get others to cross over are deceivers!
Stay Republican, stay the course but vote for Johnson to split the Tyrant Romney's vote and weaken him severely for 2016...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Well Said

And it IS obvious.

Foolish to think only Romney has trolls

Why no mention of Obama? You must be an Obama troll ( How does that feel?). Besides, ANY REAL LIBERTARIAN WOULD NEVER CALL A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE "LOSERS" simply because of their political choices.

No real libertarian uses all caps

but while you mention it a Ron Paul third party candidacy is a toss up for Obama too. It makes it a real three way race. You can bet your bottom dollar all those young faces at UCLA are never going to vote for Romney. Ron Paul takes anti-war, pro-Constitution progressives as well as conservatives.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

Wow, got me there



"...your not helping the cause of liberty, your a distraction to the cause of liberty and you need to stop"

As with the last thread I

As with the last thread I commented in, it's hard to point the finger at GJ supporters hijacking when we were openly advocating calling the supporters and delegates of other GOP contenders at their homes/on their cellphones trying to change their mind, in the lead up to the RNC. I've been checking the profiles of the pro-Gary Johnson posters, and most of them have a long enough membership to indicate my suspicion that many of them are simply Ron Paul supporters looking to their next option - not ardent GJ supporters who've come on a mission from their own forum to bring in new supporters.

I came here about 6 months ago having heard about Ron Paul from a friend in the US, never heard of GJ till recently. I've been an ardent Ron Paul supporter since then, despite the fact that I'm pro-gay marriage, and undecided on abortion, the two issues that seem to be the obstacle for Ron Paul supporters who'd like to support GJ. But I don't get a vote, I'm not a US Citizen, it's out of my hands.

What's most important is that the momentum you guys have built over the recent days, weeks, months and years is put to good use. Direct that energy - be it against the neocons in the Republican party, or getting behind a GJ/RP ticket, do something with it, don't let the movement fracture.

The point that seems to be getting glossed over, is that the Liberty movement is in a state of flux, every person has a decision to make, and given that this is the Liberty movement, we should be supporting everybody's decision regardless of whether we like it. The best thing we can do is try to find some unity, direct the growing tide toward a useful purpose.


I still dont trust him.

Still Whining

Get over it boy!

That makes sense to me.

It's not like they wouldn't try to infiltrate this website to do anything possible to divide and conquer the movement.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

It also reveals that their research shows a Ron Paul third party

run would be a real problem. Or they wouldn't bother with this 24/7 coordinated talking point troll operation.

Look at their join dates. They all seem to be between 6 and 9 months ago, right about the time Ron became a real threat.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

that's obvious

going by how many times he was asked the question at the beginning of the primaries. The questions should have been asked in these words: "Dr. Paul, after the GOP cheats you out of the nomination and beats up on your delegates, will you be a sore loser and run 3rd party to get back at them because we ALL know that if you run 3rd party you have a real chance of taking 30-40% of the vote and most of that would come from likely Romney voters, causing Barack Obama to win...making the race actually between you and Barack Obama because we all know there aren't enough 30-40%'s to split 3 ways?

Anyone "on-board with Johnson" would be fighting to get Ron Paul

on the ticket one way or the other, instead of saying "He's done get over it! Work for Johnson!"

Therefore I conclude they are not true Libertarians but GOP moles here to disrupt and oppress the Ron Paul third party discussion. They can't exactly say "vote Romney." After what they did they wouldn't have the nerve. Shunting the energy off to a hopeless cause like Johnson makes sense (unless they get smart and grab Ron.)

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

I think

You are being a little rash. I do not care for Johnson, yet I know many people who supported Ron Paul who are now on board with Johnson.

I think he is spot on

some seem to have a certain hatred for Ron Paul for some reason, others are completely ignorant, yet try to explain OUR philosophy to us, and nearly every avenue they are pushing will work to dismantle Paul's support to push it somewhere else.

This smells heavily of Divide and Conquer to me.

Plus, there are morons here defending Gary Johnson stance on the KONY movement, GJ backed it FFS!

Anyone backing the KONY movement is an IGNORANT IDIOT, or someone who supports war if you ask me!