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Has Porniah Been Used To Destroy Liberty In America? Is Pornography The Road to


Has Porniah Been Used To Destroy Liberty In America?
Has the Porn Industry set Liberty back with the help of the...

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Many comments have been made by people who have obviously[as is plainly evident] not read the article. It is not about "Banning" anyhting.. or makeing any "Laws" agianst anything... It is an apeal to reason.

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OK so if viewing pr0n is a waste of time

what the heck do we call this thread? And I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS GOT ME DEFENDING PR0NOGRAPHY!

So I dunno if there is a prize or something for STATING THE BLATANTLY OBVIOUS but there are like 3-4 things that about anybody can photograph and result in a pic that people will say "gee that's a nice pic" and they are:

1. flowers
2. kids
3. sunsets
4. naked females

I am not the one that made women attractive to men, neither are you and neither is Hugh Heffner. God did that. Know why? Because God made us men to be utterly self absorbed and egotistical jerks and we would have no interest in women or the perpetuation of the species unless He made them indescribably and utterly compelling to us. We're just wired to see and instantly desire women, we want to club them and drag them back to the cave and rip all their clothes off. At least I do. All of them all the time. Or maybe it's just my eyes that wants every attractive woman I see.

Maybe it's the rest of me that wants them to feed me nice dinner and do my laundry and rub my feet when they hurt and say nice things to me.

Now that I think of it, why does anybody make pictures of anything else? For almost everything else that's worth looking at in life THAT'S WHAT THEY MAKE WINDOWS FOR.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

Moderation in everything

The writer seems to be addressing porno addicts. I don't think that every person who has looked at porn will become an addict. For those who seek to escape reality, however, a steady diet of porn is an easy way to do that.

The writer clearly has issues

This is one up-tight guy.

If I may indulge in some dime-store psychology: I'd say the writer is deeply conflicted about his own sexual impulses versus the religious ideal that he espouses. He's trying to force a square peg (sexual humans) into a round hole (anti-sexual religious philosophy).

I reject his thesis on many levels. Most importantly, porn cannot even be defined. Is Victoria Secrets catalog porn? Or is it only necessary to show a bit of ankle, as was once true? Perhaps the Muslims are onto something with the full burka outfit? Whatever it is, does it merely need to stir sexual desire to be pornographic? Perhaps men and women should be kept separate, as they were in some religious societies in the 1800's.

I can't believe I'm bothering to even discuss this stupid article.

I even want prostitution legalized.

Freedom is freedom.

What two consenting adults do is nobody's business but theirs, even if money is exchanged.

I agree....

as long as the prostitute CHOSE to enter the sex-work profession. Obviously people being forced into it is wrong, but we have a criminal justice system to deal with that.

I don't play, I commission the league.


about paedophilia? It's sanctioned in the Talmud.

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5


Underage kids are (obviously) not adults and cannot give legal consent. How on Earth did you even spin his comment into support of pedophilia?

I don't play, I commission the league.

If you can't read it will be hard to be free.

First off.... your sick...

second where on earth did your read anything about making new government laws about porn?

Read the article next time... It keeps you from looking stupid.

Enjoy your perversion... I know your slave master will.

Why don't we ask Ron Paul what he thinks about Pornography and the whole human trafficking problem? Maybe your suffering from Blow Back.

For Liberty


Maybe if you learned how to spell

four and five letter words correctly you wouldn't look so stupid yourself.

Isn't this a subject for a Rick Santorum forum?

Rick wants to tell you what you can see and do sexually.

He wants bedroom police issuing licenses so that what you do in the privacy of your house is all of our business.

I an not a porn advocate, but I don't support banning it either.

If you would read the post

If you would read the post ... "I am not a porn advocate, but I don't support banning it either." you might agree with me...

also check out...

"The Kinsey Coverup"

But be warned... You might loose your lunch...


Who controls the media??

The Frankfurt School
Cultural Marxism

Goldstein stated, "The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks."

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

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If, and only if, Goldstein

If, and only if, Goldstein did say that, I sure hope for him that he meant it only as a tasteless joke.

I can't think of anyone in their sane mind to say such a thing while being serious.

Otherwise, that'd be very offensive... to the Jews. Indeed, I can't quite imagine what kind of statement could ever be more arrogant than that (if meant seriously, and not as a joke). Or would that be, by a strange inversion of values, that arrogance is now to be seen as a virtue, per such statements ? That would be rather eerie, if one asks me.

Anyway. To my point :

As a Christian, I had to get used, from young age, to seeing my faith mocked and/or despised on a regular basis and various occasions. School, with atheist and socialist teachers, on TV with mainstream entertainment, etc. Bah, it isn't such a big deal compared to actual physical violence for instance, that nobody deserves to be victim of.

Interestingly, though, the same who find this or that Christian religion so prone to being corrupted by superstition and violence (which I both condemn, clearly), and mocking or despising it as such, are the same who won't tolerate the same in return (which no true Christian should or will do, anyway, from my PoV) ...

Yet, further, who also tend to impose on the people masses' minds, as I could observe frequently, that nothing has done greater harm to humanity than the harm caused by the various Christian religious wars (where just one war alone is always one too many anyway, granted).

But there, however, I beg to differ.

I don't quite buy into this theory that Christianity and its false religions has been the main cause of horror on this planet ALL the way long, for 2000+ years. I am sorry. Especially not, say, "recently".

Thus, I would kindly suggest those folks to lookup this interesting word, "democide", and the related "achievements" that were performed all throughout the 20th century alone.

I think that will be a good start for them to get a hopefully better clue, and so that they can get, finally ! their facts straight.

The peace loving Christian that I am will always appreciate infinitely such friendly efforts to fix one's own ignorance, towards more fair grounds of discussions on the horrors that mankind ought to never do again in the future.

And back to the OP's topic.

This point I just made is the rationale which makes me believe that bringing this topic in the way it is presented in the article, does nothing much, IMO, but mostly to contribute to an ENGINEERED confusion on the actual, most worrisome issues for humanity, those which we should be much more concerned with, AFAICT.

Bear, and Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius


"I don't quite buy into this theory that Christianity and its false religions has been the main cause of horror on this planet ALL "

It hasn't been. It's been a well thought out attack.


The Plot Against the Church by Maurice Pinay

I hope the following quote will cause you to dig deeper.

"Mrs. Van Hyning, I am surprised at your surprise. You are a student of history — and you know that both the Borgias and the Mediciis are Jewish families of Italy. Surely you know that there have been Popes from both of these houses.

Perhaps it will surprise you to know that we have had 20 Jewish Popes, and when you have sufficient time, which may coincide with my free time, I can show you these names and dates.

You will learn from these that: The crimes committed in the name of the Catholic Church were under Jewish Popes. The leaders of the inquisition was one, de TorQuemada, a Jew.”

- Woman’s Voice, November 25, 1953

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

They all belong in the nuthouse

"You must be willing for God to terminate your husband’s job and destroy him financially. You must be willing for him to go to jail. You must be willing to see him – the whole family – suffer humiliation. You must be willing to see your husband come down with a terrible disease. Finally, you must be willing for God to kill your husband if he will not repent."

That'll teach YOU for buying a topless calendar. Crazy lunatic zealots.

Here we go again.Porn is not

Here we go again.

Porn is not why your liberty is vanishing. Psycotic control-freak bankster elites using the Tyranny of the Majority to strip property rights and dismantle the Constitution one line at a time is why you are loosing your Liberty. Because the ideas of Collectivism are spreading like a virus because most people are dumb animals who are too lazy to learn history and politics, and thus send their children off to indoctrination centers where they will be embedded with Collectivism, both earthly and celestial from the earliest days of their congnative development. Collectivism will become instinct for them, and their natural way of organizing.

The sort of people who think "Porn" is destroying liberty are so busy trying to force their insipid superstitions and backwards ethics on others that they aren't paying attention to the triple X backdoor action which they are themselves recieving from the elites. They are too worried about who is getting married, and what they like to spank their monkeys too. Keep your eye on the target people.

What could be more in line with Liberty than porn? Its people using their bodies how they want, and making money off of it. Its consentual activity at every level. The people doing it "choose" to do it in exchange for pleasure and/or compensation. The people watching it, "choose" to watch because they want to. In a free society, you are free to do anything you want to yourself and other consenting adults, even if its what "some" consider to be "bad."

Those of you who somehow think porn is responsable for some kind of social breakdown are insane. Infact I daresay every time some puritanical lunitic politician begins to flirt with the idea of banning porn((usually right before being caught in a sleezy motel with a couple ladyboys)), he brings out the closet Libertarian in every man or woman who enjoys spanking the monkey to the latest installment of "Oiled up Juggs." What a great way to contrast to the average American why the 4th amendment makes sense. And you want to see a large % of the population? Ill bet people who watch porn is the biggest demographic in the US, with those who deny it bringing up a close second.

Larry Flint did more for Liberty than the Church ever did.

i think the op is saying that...

porn lulls men into being lazy and ignorant sheeple who will never stand up to the ptb, because they're too busy indulging in their own lust

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

OK but what about...

I'm guessing there are lots of stand up guys that view pr0n.

I worked for a major international relief agency in the IT dept. One fine day we decided to throw in some auditing software and see where everybody was surfing. It was kind of in the early days of the net. Well let me tell you, these righteous and benevolent executives of that organization, pretty much anybody with a private office was spending most of their time day trading or viewing pr0n. A small and highly contained scandal erupted. If that had leaked to the press it would have put a SERIOUS DENT in the agency's reputation, fundraising, celebrity advocates, etc. etc.

Well normally these guys were highly productive and respected people. Though one wonders how given as all they did was surf pr0n half the time. Really top-notch support staff these guys had.

I personally view pr0n as a form of artwork and I personally don't care for most of what I've seen. But this relegates the matter to personal taste for which I have learned there is absolutely NO ACCOUNTING. I grew up thinking people are more of less the same but there are people out there into some SERIOUSLY WEIRD SHIBBET.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

Porn and rapinig children is a huge part of controlling people.

Were "these righteous and benevolent executives of that organization" going to parties and doing "snuff films" on the weekends...???


Porn and rapinig children is a huge part of controlling people...

Do your homework Liberty lovers...

Even if you read the Spec Ops manuels that are widely distributed around the world there are whole chapters on this...


OK so there's reading between the lines

and then there's following the lines right off a cliff.

Hey friend, if you got a $10 head get yourself a $10 helmet.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

OK maybe that was a bit harsh of me

I guess the point deserves a more serious answer.

First of all we didn't review all these sites or pages for "quality". It might have made for an interesting assignment but believe me THERE WERE JUST TOO DANG MANY, WE'RE TALKING THESE PR0N SITES FILLED ABOUT 15 FEET OF BLUE BAR.

But we had no reason to suspect any of these sites features minors or children and if they had either me or my boss at the time would have picked up the phone and had them arrested.

As it was, I told you it was a contained scandal but about about a dozen dudes instantly "resigned". The VP of the organization was a former Green Beret and he was so mad at these guys...man I was honestly scared he was gonna beat these guys into bloody pulps, the man was literally shaking with rage.

Well there ya go. As an IT guy you see things, you see people's personal lives and one of our number one professional ethics is we never divulge these things without a subpoena. So I won't ever mention WHICH organisation. I just figure all things being roughly equal, I'm betting it goes on in ALL ORGANIZATIONS.

Didn't we just find out a bunch of people, high ups in the NSA had tons of kiddie pr0n on their computers but it was determined that for reasons of "national security" they all got off scott-free?

And I'm not trying to come off as sanctimonious because in general I am given unto vice but all my life I have been monogamous. Call it luck but one woman has always been enough for me. Fidelity in that regard just seems to come natural. It doesn't mean I don't look around, it just means I look but don't touch.


Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

I find it ironic...

that the same evangelical neocons who scream about jobs would love nothing more than to shut down the porn industry and put a lot of people out of work. Whatever happened to not being judgemental? I thought that was one of your god's core values?

I don't play, I commission the league.

I actually found the article

I actually found the article quite disingenuous and insulting. According to the author, "God created us with sexual drive, but he also gave us a steering wheel and a brake to direct and control our drives."

Naturally, a married man could direct his sexual drive toward his wife.

But what about those who have no wife? Clearly finding 'outlets' ranging from prostitution to one-night stands are not acceptable. Yet, according to the author, "If you isolate yourself in a room and indulge in pornography, you are not sick; you are evil." So essentially, if you have no wife to steer toward and have not fully stopped your sex drive, you are evil. Lust on a computer screen and lust in your mind are equally evil. Thus, according to the author, you must shut down that God-given sex drive until you have a wife to satisfy those desires, otherwise you sin against God.

Another gem from the author: "You are not oversexed. You are not even sexed. You are alone." Thanks for the reminder that I am alone, author. I wonder if being alone has anything to do with why I might be watching porn.

One would think the author, who claims to preach often, would be smart enough to realize that there are no longer arranged marriages and the like as was commonplace in the year of our Lord. Single people are a reality, as much as I wish it weren't. There are likely hundreds of millions of people without the 'submissive spouse' we find in 1 Corinthians 7:3-5, 10-14. There is no release to 'direct' that God-given sex drive to.

I guess single people with sex drives are hell bound.

I see like anything else.

Alcohol can cause huge problems. However I do enjoy to have a few drinks once in a while. If I was drunk every day then maybe I should seek help. The problem here is not the wives. They need to leave if they have made various pleas to their partners and they have resisted change. Whether it's alcohol, drugs, buying stuff on credit that you can't afford or pornography over consumption always causes a problem. It's an addiction even over eating is a problem for many. The problem lays in the person that is consuming not the one that wants them to change. It's all about personal responsibility here people If you don't have get some help and get some. I'm tired of people always blaming something for societal problems that they themselves can control.

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    With or without it-

    being legal, all that causes moral decay has been around to engage in since the beginning of human history. Gambling, prostitution, drugs, adultery, porn, it's nothing new.
    In a free society, if you don't like something, of course you're free to say so, but your best bet is to just avoid or not do it. If you're worried about your kids, EDUCATE them on the trappings of such things. But be careful about how you do it, because sensationalizing and carrying on about something can have a reverse effect. It's like putting an R rating on a movie and not expecting a thirteen year old kid to want to see it.
    We recently have heard and heard about K2 and Bath Salts, it's evils, the kind of high it produces, and it didn't take too long before these STUPID things to do were made illegal. But the truth is, there really wasn't an 'epidemic' of it until the 'news' and politicians started carrying on about it. Same thing with meth... Be informed and EDUCATE your kids, don't be a hypocrite by doing these or similar things yourself, and GET OVER the fact that others will still do it. I've got friends and family dead in the ground from booze, and a stepson with a brain injury from driving drunk. Nobody's talking about putting the brakes on THAT, nor will they.

    Speak for yourself.

    If you don't like it...don't watch it.

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    I agree.Forget it anyway :

    I agree.

    Forget it anyway : this thread only goes in loops.

    If you look at my earliest comment, I was one of the first to make the same point as you just did, pointing out how the article is very confused, as a matter of identifying the most worrisome issues in awful inhumanity TODAY, that we have to cope with (and where porn isn't one of them, AFAICT).


    "Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


    "To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

    What about the fact that there is instructive pornography

    To teach things like how to give a woman an orgasm, which studies indicate that a majority of women don't experience in their sex lives. Google: Sex Study Says Female Orgasm Eludes Majority of Women.

    Rape anyone? Guilt that does not cease

    And yet, for some of us, including me, it wasn't the "religious" that raped us.

    I'm unimpressed with the posters who don't take responsibility for non-consensual pornography, child rape, and giving material to minors that included pictures of incest, bestality, and the like.

    Let me assure you, I wasn't raised catholic, and the people I spoke of in my personal observation post where either atheists or pagans, like I presume most of the intolerant are here. Somehow, that is a lot lower than 'theocracy'. ITS RAPE.

    It's not that you are merely intolerant of people simply wanting to support personal morals for themselves, but you build constant straw-man arguments instead of addressing all things. You want to talk playboy and pass it off as that? Talk child rape and child pornography, and talk about the whole thing.

    Sadly, quite a few of you were probably raped yourself. Abuse in this country is at an all time high in history.

    And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

    What the hell are you talking

    What the hell are you talking about?

    When was the last time someone who was pro-porn told you that you were a bad person for not watching Porn, or that you were going to hell? We couldn't give a damn wether you watch it or not... we just don't want you telling us what to do.

    How in the hell porn has anything to do with the various "crimes" you listed is beyond me. Comparing porn to rape is like comparing a massage to getting beat half to death with a baseball bat. Yes, both involve "deep tissue preassure" its just one is nonconsentual and causes injury and the other is consentual and causes pleasure.

    It always blows my mind when a group of people whose belief structure is: "Believe as I do or be tortured until the end of time" call a group of people who do not believe in such things... "Intolerant."

    The only thing im intolerant of is people trying to steal my rights.