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Has Porniah Been Used To Destroy Liberty In America? Is Pornography The Road to

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Has Porniah Been Used To Destroy Liberty In America?
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It is still exploitation

The industry prays on people. Nudity - no big deal. Been around since the beginning of time.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

I agree, it is preying on people just like those that clean up

nuclear waste. Many people that clean burn rooms in nuclear plants die of brain tumors at a very high percentage, more so than any other job. The issue is that porno deals with sex, and in America we have been raised that sex is taboo, and youth sex (or those most sexually active) is super taboo, even when many of us were promiscuous growing up, we quickly forget that when it is our children exploring their sexuality. And don't get me started on sex ed, keeping kids in the blind and hiding condoms as a way to promote abstinence is about as effective as a screwing for virginity program. We are more apt a s a society to accept people dieing from radiation for dollars then for contractual sex, even when one night stands happen all over the world every night, talk about twisted idealism. I wonder where all of this sexual taboo and tension came from?

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Lust doesn't insure the

Lust doesn't ensure the survival of the species, it takes about 5 seconds.

Babies take considerable care when they are growing up, and it requires love.

You got it exactly wrong. Lust doesn't take care of infants, or anything else for that matter.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

MmmK

Very bizarre response to say the least. If men lusted after stones then the species would certainly fail to exist, even if women lusted after the men. The female figure spurs lust in heterosexuals, but I digress, perhaps you do not realize that if men were all homosexuals then there would be no babies to care for, hence the need for men to have lust for females. I'm not sure where raising babies came into the picture but babies in foster care and some in foreign nations raised by the streets do not require love, to have a happy bouncing baby love is required, but it is a falsehood to claim all babies must have love to survive. So while I am not sure where you drew the lines requiring lust to raise a child, lust does in fact secure the species and is the most basic form of human interaction between the opposite of sex.

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Very well put.... Acting on

Very well put.... Acting on primeval instinct without rational thought went out in the caveman days. Else we would just kill that person competing against us in that job interview.

No idea what that means, or how to respond.

"Acting on primeval instinct without rational thought went out in the caveman days."
And?

Where did "job interview" come into the picture?

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Hypocrisy

That is funny... You blame Church and Family for being addicted to porn... Yet you preach to stop blaming...

Then you even top that: you blame the Catholic priest raping of children on no access to porn!

Can you say Hypocrisy?

And I say hypocrisy is putting words in peoples mouths

To further give power to ones opinion, whether based on fact, or in this case fabrication. Please provide me where I "blamed" anyone other than parents. Is it not true that if a child is given a computer and access to pornography it the parents fault? Excuses are a dime a dozen, but putting blame where it should rest is a way to resolve the real issue and not attacking the object or act, in this case pornography. It is a fact that those that view porn are no more likely to commit a sex crime, it is mostly those who were punished for their sexuality as a child, this is basic psychology and a fact you can check for yourself, if you can get beyond understanding human nature versus what religion teaches us "should be" human nature.

I didn't "blame" the priests for raping the children, they did in "fact" rape the children, my statement was perhaps were they not repressed sexually by not being allowed to experience humanity at it's purest (i.e. sexual contact with a female) they might not have targeted the weakest among us, it sounds like perhaps you are defending their actions, which I would never do. So to clarify it is not the church and the family that is to blame, it is those entities within the church and family that suppress sexual progress with punishment that have brought us the greatest predators that prey on the weak, this is a fact you can research on your own if you are at all interested in the truth past your own opinion.

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You make excuses for the

You make excuses for the priest as well... No excuse they are simply scum of the earth... Nothing forced them to harm those kids... Stop BlAMING anything other than the sick idiot who did the deed..... It was a grown man who made a choice to do sick stuff to a kid.... end of story...

In fact if we take in all you have said... It is the parents fault for letting the kids be with the priest... LOL

Wow, this one is way out there...

I am making excuses for the priests? I am saying that multiple priests committed rape against children, I do not wonder what these priests all have in common as anyone can clearly see. This wasn't a group plotting and planning, they were not all in contact sharing their stories of rape, what did they all have in common around the world? It surely couldn't be tied to their celibacy because that would go against your mantra, because sex is bad, but in my opinion raping a child is worse. The issue at hand is what tied these individuals together when they did not know each other, what common ground did they share? You don't have to answer, everyone knows. The point being that if they had a natural heterosexual relationship as opposed to sexual repression from an early age (obviously this was their path to becoming priests) they had more than likely been repressed from the exercise of their sexuality, perhaps punished severely by a nun for touching themselves as a youth, or perhaps it is deeper, but you simply do not hear of pastors or anyone else that is able to marry having an issue with raping children, what was the catalyst?

Always remember:
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Thank you for making me

Thank you for making me laugh... with your failed logic... No one else is blaming anything on porn or guns... They just suggest if people are not exposed to them....

So your premise is that when there is a shooting

The anti gunners do not go after guns? They do, and it is as much of a reality as the fact that people have been exposed to pornography for hundreds if not thousands of years, and the topic is "does porn affect liberty". Please enlighten us all on where you think my logic has failed? And please do so without skewing my words to fit your meaning, it is really silly to play games when debating a topic that carries such serious social implications.

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If your significant other is

If your significant other is "addicted to porn" then they more than likely have been sexually repressed by family or church as a youth,

your words...

You want to play the blame game... Blame it on the parents or church...

Please then enlighten me...

When growing up who has influence to teach or repress? It certainly isn't the dog catcher, in the instance of the Catholic priests I would dare assume many grew up in the church and schools where brutal nuns shunned their sexuality. Perhaps a good beating at Catholic school when a person was found touching themselves as is the norm, or could it be that perhaps a family member repressed the sexuality of a developing youth and caused mental issues when the youth reached adulthood? Bottom line you get your panties in a knot at the mention that the church (the very place sexuality is repressed and has influence on youth specifically about sex) might have played a role. I will agree that there might be other factors, but I am talking about your every day American kid. When I grew up there were two great influences in my life, my family and my church, it is no more simple or complicated than that, but it appears you want to covet the Church which is fine, I will continue to deal in reality not protecting an obvious entity simply because I feel the need. I still stand by my previous post and openly state that most children are influenced by their church and family when growing up, unless they are not involved in the church, but this premise is based on the average American kid. So this scenario is not a one size fits all, it is just interesting that you cannot acknowledge that the church (such as the Catholic church) has shown that it can and will use its influence not only to suppress sexuality, but to take advantage of the weakest among us, is it so hard to admit a fact?

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So an addict must have been

So an addict must have been repressed? What if they grew up around porn.... or a home full of porn? That couldn't be right? What if one of a million other reasons... Nope the church and parents are at fault.. I have some news for you an addictive personality is just that... That person has a high tendency to become addicted to anything they come into contact with that is addictive.
Sure couldn't be a guy who is a turn off to the ladies? A guy who is socially unable to date so he turns to the porn. The nerd. In fact if you look into it the average porn addict sure doesn't appear to be the alpha male.
Well then you grew up in the Brady Bunch family... Most kids are not greatly influenced by the church they are forced to attend... It is a drag that cuts into the weekend... Yes some influence... For most later in life when one makes self choice to attend is when the true influence (learning) begins.

Parents have a bunch of influence on a very young child... Much less on a teen... Once a child is about 7 the parents have lost much of that influence to the child's friends. Nothing a 7 year old child's parents could do can compare to what happens on the playground. TV is also a huge force influencing kids. How many kids grow up wanting to be a preacher? How many kids grow up wanting to be superman or GI Joe? Major events death, hurricanes, fires, divorce, a pet death, home invasion, abuse, a fight and on and on are huge influences on a child that are carried for life. As much as we may want to say it is all the parents there are many outside forces of life that shape a person.

The priest... If I was a gay perverted child molester what would be the perfect cover? How could I gain trust of parents and not stick out for never being with a woman? I would say you are wrong about these priest being isolated in their actions. I think like those who trade child porn... these perverts found a perfect way to fulfill their sick lust and carefully built an inner circle. (why else would all be gay and not molesting girls?) Many of these priest are elder and the world they lived in as a younger man was not tolerant. They needed cover. I would venture to say they are an organized crime ring... Cold calculated perverts... Far worse than the typical rapist... They misused a position of trust on a huge scale. This shows in the scale of the attempted cover up as well.

In reference to "addicts" I was speaking of those who

Commit sex crimes, or are apt to violent sexual acts, not just the basic addict. It seems you are now grasping at straws, but I do agree that there may well be a million or more reasons, but you have taken this thing way out there on your quest to prove something I am yet to figure out. When speaking of the family my premise is that if your minor child has access to porn in a home with a mother and father, then it is the parents fault that the child has this access. It is not societies fault, it is not my fault, it is the parents fault, no question about it. I may well have grown up in a Brady Bunch family in the South where everyone knows everyone, and the parents that were drunks and abusive raised kids that were usually the same, which further supports my hypothesis.

So far as a geek who didn't get much sex being a pervert I would have to disagree, 20 years working as a network engineer I have met many and most are great, down to earth people, again this is grasping at straws based on a perception garnered through watching revenge of the nerds or something, but back to reality. I have raised two daughters who are now out of the house, and I can guarantee you their mother and my influence lasted well beyond 7 years of their life, and they were taught to respect others and showed great character and pride as teens, hence good parenting. They were not allowed computers in their rooms until 18, they did not own their own cell phones as they were capable of carrying quarters for a pay phone or borrowed a friends; and yes, they did not like it one bit, but they were not my friends they were my children, my responsibility, my life.

So far as the priests, you have concocted a great conspiracy with no proof. You think all of the child molesting priests were in contact with one another? This was and is occurring all over the world within the clergy, but there was never evidence that I have seen where they were all in it together. It does give us a good look into a group of people that have major things in common, such as celibacy, a history of sexual repression (which is common in sex criminals), but I fail to see a grand conspiracy of a robed individual plotting to molest children and going into the Church to do so. So while you are reaching for things to argue about I still stand behind the fact that if a child has access to porn it is the parents fault, and in most cases (not a guess, but statistically) if they turn to violence and sexual deviance it is usually related to sexual repression early in life. You still reject that the two main influences that can be attributed to sexual repression are family and church, but where I grew up I was not subjected to molesters and the like, so those around me that grew up in the same environment that became sexually aggressive and in some cases dangerous were certainly influenced by the things around them, mother, father, or church, it is common sense.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_John...

and

http://www.politicususa.com/catholic-sex-abuse-study.html

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

X-rated Internet explosion wreaks havoc with troops’ careers, li

The Marine Corps Times even did a write up on how it destroys lives...
“Addicted to online porn”
X-rated Internet explosion wreaks havoc with troops’ careers, lives
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/offduty/health/offduty_porn_...

Seek_Truth

I agree that there are those that have sexual "issues"

Or have mental issues relating to sexuality. In this case when an individual has a problem be it school shootings, eating too many whoppers, or raping someone the problem does not lie in the gun, the burger, or the pornography, the issue is a mental problem with the individual. Were it related to pornography in the same sense then there would be addicts uncontrollably hooked on porn and out of control at all times, this simply isn't the case. Is the smart thing to do to force Burger King to close all its stores or address the mental issues with the individual? I think this provides the perfect example as to how the problems should be address, and so far as prostitution being the oldest business I would argue from paintings of Roman orgies before women were given money in exchange for sex that pornography was the oldest of the professions.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

Morals are attacked on all

Morals are attacked on all fronts.... Financially you are king if you are making your fortune on wall street. No matter how much it hurts Main Street (those who actually are building or providing something.}

Tolerance is pushed... Even in the 70's it was still looked down on an unmarried man and woman living together. Today not only is this common practice same sex is acceptable.

Abortion: In the 50's if a teenager got pregnant the family was shamed often to move out of the community. Today teen pregnancy and abortion are more common than a marriage lasting 5 years.

During world war II news films would show hundreds and thousands of dead troops, bloody, blown apart... Today they can't even show the casket coming off the plane.. Think about it...

Movies can get as violent, bloody, and perverted as they want... Yet our government won't let the reality of war be shown. How would we feel about war if we could see the millions of dead? If we could see every flag draped casket? If one had to stand in front of the pile of dead to tell us they died for our freedom, we need to spread freedom, this is for our good. Yet mixed in the pile are children, women, and common people.

How would we feel about abortion if we could see all the dead babies? 3500 a day! 128,000 a year! If one had to go stand in front of this pile of babies to defend the practice?

No prayer or Christmas, yet our schools can teach about same sex... evolution...

We are in crazy times... No morals and censured all at the same time.... and morals are somewhat censured.

This notion that the schools

This notion that the schools are indoctrinating kids to be gay is nonsense. Homosexuality is a fact of life. The Bible is a fact too, but its stories are not necessarily fact. I am not advocating pro gay or anti gay education, but it should not be considered indoctrination when homosexual sex is shown to be a natural feature of biology. There is massive evidence for the practice of homosexuality through out nature. That is not an endorsement of the practice. But kids should not be taught that it is unnatural.

Today boys are socialized female

As masculinity is evil as left wing ideology, which controls the government schools, teaches. Females are naturally repelled by these effeminate males and thus not attracted to them. And low and behold there seem to be a ton of gay dudes around these days. Who largely come from single mother homes and things. Go figure.

Showing your ignorance. Every

Showing your ignorance. Every single gay man I know comes from two parent families, mostly Christian ones. So sick of ignorance about homosexuality.

The schools should not be

The schools should not be teaching any sex. Just as they should not be teaching religion. If a parent has any responsibility I believe it would come into play here. It's natural for man to cheat and kill so should the grade schools have a class on ways to cheat and kill another human? After all this is natural human psychology. These younger grades need to stick to the basics and leave the rest for the parents and college.

Wow, common ground and in the same instance you reinforce

the very criticism you laid upon me in a prior post. While I think it is the parent and not the schools responsibility in America today many parents are allowing the schools to teach their kids about sex, and if the parents do not take charge and play a role in their own children's sex education then who is to blame? Don't answer that for it would cause you to agree with me on a topic you earlier lambasted me for.

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You have no clue as the truth of Morality

The State controlled Marriage license is immoral while following the State's written laws on anything is immoral. The real law in this country is the English common law and yet no one follows the English common law.

I don't advocate any

I don't advocate any government controlling marriage.

A serious problem

Most of the comments are quite correct. It is insidious and extremely damaging to anyone involved and to those around them. It tears people apart both as individuals, then as families. It creates perceptions that are so far from reality that it can cause complete apathy towards things like real love.

It is being used to breakdown society. To soften and weaken individuals and disrupt and break families. It is probably one of the most potent weapons being used on society and it is by design.

"Qui audet adipiscitur"

I grew up in Amsterdam

The place were soft drugs are sold in 'coffeeshops', porn is on cable and available in many stores, were certain areas are 'red light districts' and still came out all right.
However, the ones that were forbidden by their parents actually ended up using soft drugs and buying porn.
In school i had about 4-5 good friends. Four of them started using soft drugs because it was 'exciting'. I did not accompany them to their 'smoking parties' but they still were my friends nevertheless. I did notice that they were getting a little slow. :) I did envy them a little because they had more female interests. That happens when you buy soft drugs for a girl.

Then i got older and had two children, the drugs was everywhere, so i left.

In my opinion, drugs is the ultimate tool to break a society, slowly but surely criminal activity rises.
Police should jail the criminals instead of catching the easy ones that don't shoot back like the ones that use drugs, speeding tickets, throwing gum on the street etc.

Parents should educate their children better, schools are not really the place to learn, it is more a place where you are trained to obey and follow procedure.
Once parents take control back of their children it will be better.
For some religion will help, for me it is common sense.

True. The problem with the

True. The problem with the Netherlands is not because things like prostitution and marijuana are legal, the problem is that family values have been destroyed by cultural liberalism, not only there, but across Europe and the USA is quickly on it's way there too.

I certainly believe so

It destroys families and individuals alike, which are the building blocks of society. It enslaves and twists and damages individuals, warping their view of themselves and of others, which makes violent crime more likely. If we want a free society to work, our moral compass must be working. That isn't possible when we see other human beings and ourselves as animals and objects.

I think one of the greatest tragedies about pornography is what it does those directly making it. The suicide rate of porn stars is horrible. The sanity rate isn't commendable, either. These are human beings, too, even if they don't treat themselves like they are.

I hope that as a people we will voluntarily rise above such filth.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine