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Breitbart: Paul 'Republican No More,' Not Ruling Out Third-Party Run

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/03/Ron-Paul-...
Upset by how the Republican Party establishment “disrespected” them during the Republican National Convention, over 300 Ron Paul supporters joined a conference call on Sunday night to discuss plans to urge Paul to run as a third-party candidate on the Libertarian Party ticket.

Speculation about Paul’s intentions will intensify even more because Paul will appear on NBC’s “The Tonight Show” with Jay Leno on Tuesday night to make an announcement, presumably about whether he will make a third-party run or support Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.

Evan Cutler of Alaskans for Ron Paul told those on the conference call that he spoke at length with Paul and his wife last Friday. Cutler said Paul told him he has not completely ruled out a third-party run. Cutler said Paul did express concerns about ballot access and the money that would be required for such a run.

According to Cutler, Paul was “no longer a Republican
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/03/Ron-Paul-...


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where is the original source

that states Paul is making a special announcement tonight?
I never saw or heard where that came from (?)

vote third party

There is no source.

Ron Paul would not make a special announcement on Jay Leno. If there was a special announcement, he would publish it on his official site and via email.

Jay Leno will ask questions, the two will talk and laugh.

The LP possibility is a wish of some of us who are attempting to make it happen. If it does, then the effort will have paid off. If it does not, no harm was done.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Why does RP need to run LP?

Can't he just run as an independent?

I mean, this is all about our independency after all.

Because

LP is on all 50 states.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I would question the veracity of Ron Paul

if he ran 3rd party after being asked 100s of times if he was going to if he lost the nomination and just gave a "politician's" answer of "I have no plans" and "I don't want to".

Blowback isn't a one way street.

https://twitter.com/#!/Agonzo1

Who cares if he didn't have

Who cares if he didn't have plans then? Why can't he make plans to now that he's seen the Republican option to the end?

hmm - if they do this

they should come out with a cordinated plan that includes Palin and Kucinich and maybe even Rand. If they all come out togetehr and Paul announces their role in his and Johnson's administration maybe they can pull all the disgruntled voters (regardless of party) that have no where else to go. Include more names if you like - those were jut on the top of my head. I guess Nader too.

The LP will make it happen!

I have it, on very good authority, that they would make it happen, if Dr Paul wants to go for it.

Please don't ask me who my authority is, because I'm sworn to secrecy!

"The only thing we die with is our own personal integrity!" LRH
Vail, CO
Freedom and Liberty for Eagle County, Colorado. www.flecc.org

LP Chair on Ron Paul

Here is a statement by the Chairman of the Libertarian Party concerning the mechanics of substituting Ron Paul for Gary Johnson.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79496119/NealeEmail.pdf

Bottom line is even if Ron were willing, it is not a feasible plan. LP bylaws make it very difficult if not impossible to change candidates. Unlike the Republicans, the Libertarian Party takes its rules seriously. Even if this could be overcome, the LP would lose ballot status in a lot of states immediately. A lot of states are in the process of printing their ballots already. Further, it would invite even more "legal" challenges to the LP's ballot status by the Republicans who are harassing Gary and the LP nonstop already.

Finally, if Ron bowed out due to Romney's threats to destroy his reputation before the convention, why would Ron do any different now?

Thetis

Your last sentence

Finally, if Ron bowed out due to Romney's threats to destroy his reputation before the convention, why would Ron do any different now got my radar going. I recall Doug Wead saying Romney threatened to destroy RP's reputation for his stance on Foreign Policy.

Now that to me was really odd. Why because Ron's Foreign Policy stance is why he got more donations from the military than any other candidate, and Ron Paul has been very clear throughout his career on his Foreign Policy so how could that destroy RP's reputation?

I tend to think the treat was something other than RP's foreign Policy. I mean if RP decided to open Romney's closet the skeletons would fill Arlington Cemetery ten times.

Romney's threats

To destroy Ron's reputation could take many forms. A "swift boat" type attack on his foreign policy with paid "military" shills and mushroom clouds playing up the Great Satan Iran is just one example. His supposed "isolationism" equated to "appeasement" of Hitler another. Then you bring out his and Rand's opposition to the Civil Rights Act, affirmative action and welfare along with the Newsletters painting him as a racist. Add in pictures with neo-nazis his ties to truthers and conspiracy types like Alex Jones - all with suitable scary soundtrack and narration. You get the picture?

Libertarian conservative ideology takes a lot of time, interest and knowledge to understand. Most people must undo a lifetime of statist propaganda to even take the first step. If Romney was willing to go negative and ugly all the way backed by millions of untraceable corporate money it would be next to impossible for us to overcome the lies with truth. Destroy Ron and the revolution is severely harmed.

My point is I think Ron understood what would happen and that despite our willingness to continue the fight, the numbers were not there to get the nomination. If he went third party, Romney could still execute his plan and Ron would have even less to fight back with.

Thetis

People don't want change

They get their fat government check, they get their fat government pension. they come from mexhico and get free everythign and get out of jail cards.

The only people who want change are the working private sector middle class who dont work in healthcare, prisons, as teachers, etc.

That's only 20% of the populace, and that's Pauls support.

Romney gets all the government evil toadies and that's 40% of the population

Obama gets the communists, bleading heart liberals, and illegals and blacks. thats 40% of the population.

Remind me again how we win?

it's only a rumor because it was invented out of thin air.

breitbart is not reliable.

If RP decides to run third party

he is no fool, he knows the odds. Could it be for the first time in this Statesman's life he is ready to say Fuck You, N more Mr nice guy, payback is a bitch.

Can you imagine the numbers of Dems, Libs, Repubs, and Indy's that would vote for him. It would certainly kill Romneys chances of getting elected.

Its almost worth it just for that alone.

It would NOT kill Romney's

It would NOT kill Romney's chances because there is nothing to kill. However beyond that fact there is absolutely no legitimacy to the claim that Ron Paul's votes come out of Romney's column. I know no RP supporters who would ever have considered voting for Romney. I know many RP supporters currently planning to vote for Obama, and I firmly believe in a general election that Paul would eat more heavily into the dems than the GOP.

Breitbart is a neocon outlet.

Breitbart is a neocon outlet. One of their men were harassing Ron Paul supporters during a campaign event. Dont support them by giving them traffic.

To be honest ...

... I'm rather nervous about an RP 3rd party run. We already saw in the Republican National Convention that Ron Paul and his supporters would be ignored, maligned, and if they gain any ground at all they'd change the rules to negate those gains. I have no confidence that Ron Paul would win in the media's (and the masses') eyes, that votes would be electronically flipped, etc. So much energy and money and time just to be cheated again. The only upside I could see is that it would reveal more and more corruption to others: the blatant fraud and mistreatment would waken people's eyes, and would hasten a revolution, probably a violent one. While this is necessary, I guess a part of me wants the illusion of peace to last just a little longer, and I want to use my time and resources to stock up on food, on growing a garden, on becoming more self-sufficient so that when the collapse does happen, I'm better prepared to care for my family.

Is the fight worth the time and energy and money just to further expose corruption and better learn the rules of the electoral college? Maybe it is. I guess I'm just scared. I was getting ready to vote for Johnson so that our liberty vote would be less diluted. I don't know what would happen if Ron Paul runs, too.

Sorry for being such a jellyfish. I'll get a backbone eventually.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Say What!

Is this true?
Evan Cutler of Alaskans for Ron Paul told those on the conference call that he spoke at length with Paul and his wife last Friday. Cutler said Paul told him he has not completely ruled out a third-party run. Cutler said Paul did express concerns about ballot access and the money that would be required for such a run.

Here's my two cents. Remember this is not necessarily what I want but what I think.

We all can probably agree that if RP ran third party the hounds of hell would be unleashed. If we thought the primaries and delegate selection was bad we haven't seen nothing yet.

However on a brighter side what it would accomplish is an incredibly powerful message to the elite and puppet masters that are not only controlling the US and the world is that WE The People have had enough with their corruption, and we will not go quietly into the night. Ron Pauls message is spreading all over the world not just in US. He has the numbers and we all know it.

It's the vote counting that is the biggest obstacle. This alone should rile the masses and should be the second shot heard around the world.

I am 100% certain GJ/RP ticket will win in November

Win on Nov 6th will not just change America -- it will change the world.

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Johnson's VP is Jim Gray

anyone ever go to Johnson's website?

Im

with you!

Lol. I like your enthusiasm.

Lol. I like your enthusiasm. I'm not so sure, but for it to matter, the ticket has to exist first. ;)

GJ/RP 2012

WINNING!

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Hmm interesting.Not sure

Hmm interesting.
Not sure what to make of it but interesting.

Edit: New thought.
If Paul did end up on the LP ticket, think he could get into the televised debates? He obviously meets the first two requirements, but could he poll at 15%?

Almost certainly, but

would it be acknowledged???

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Wow, Ron Paul is really

getting hit hard in the comments section. Both the Romney people AND the Obama people are attacking him because they know he can take votes from both of them.

Paul Bashing

I love the Paul bashing in the comments. These are all things I hear from people who casually follow politics and label themselves Republicans.

"Throwing a tantrum."
"He didn't win, get over it."
"A vote for ________ is a vote for Obama."

The comments about ego make me laugh. They really think this old man has an ego?

The thing they don't understand is how Paul was treated throughout the entire nomination process and convention. There was a debate where they gave him 89 seconds of speaking time for a 90 minute debate on CBS.

This logic from the Breitbart commenters is the phony logic used by neo-cons in foreign policy.

GOP rigs the game/disrespects Paul and supporters -> Paul gives 3rd party endorsement or runs 3rd party -> GOP is stunned that somebody would run against their nominee.

We maintain a strong military presence in middle-east that includes bombings and covert operations -> terrorists attack due to our military presence -> Americans act shocked on why terrorists want to carry out actions against USA.

Their logic:

Paul loses GOP nomination -> 3rd party run -> That's a vote for Obama

Yeah, they're really ripping

Yeah, they're really ripping into him. If he DOES run 3rd party or endorse GJ, we just have to consistently remind everybody that Paul didn't cause Obama to win. The GOP's own corruption is what cost them the election.

exactly. i honestly would

exactly.

i honestly would have no problem supporting the GOP if they treated paul with respect and welcomed his supporters and delegates. but now, they've burned one to many bridges for me to respect them as a party.

you don't treat my president like that.

Cutler

caused a stir if Breitbart is following it!

Good job.