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Ron Paul Revolution: Stopping The Gary Johnson Nonsense

RON PAUL REVOLUTION: Stopping The Gary Johnson Nonsense:

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That should tell us something. So Obvious.

Very simple:

Go out and ask people who Gary Johnson is.

Good luck out there.

Sure: Gary Johnson is going to defeat both OBAMA and ROMNEY in just a few days.

BREAKING NEWS: RON PAUL OR NO-ONE and:

OBAMA WILL SHRED ROMNEY TO PIECES, and as a consolation prize:

I RAISE A TOAST TO THAT.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TURNED IT'S BACK ON THE GREATEST STATESMAN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

The World Knows This.

They lost THE FUTURE. All The Youth. WE ARE THE FUTURE.

OUR PRINCIPLES DO NOT BELONG TO ANY POLITICAL PARTY.

RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION!

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btw to people who are still confused why many feel johnson

is uninspiring, including tom woods-- even nick gillespie in a reasonTV video once said that some of what johnson's inability to capitalize on the liberty movement's potential is due to his own campaign flaws, in other words if someone a staunch supporter as gillespie thinks johnson isn't making enough an impression, in other people's eyes it would be 'johnson isn't putting his neck on the line enough'. how much would be enough? think of the scorn paul endured in the GOP and all the booing he got for how far he was willing to put himself out there by saying unpopular things, and it should give you an idea. my donation isn't that cheap.

Despite all this

How can anyone come through the RP campaign, and in all conciousness, vote to endorse either obama or romney, despite how they might think it could effect the outcome, or a prospect for 2016.
As already pointed out, there's going to be a backlash against both major parties for their actions and un-electable candidates.
That makes it simply un-predictable, regardless of questionable MSM polls.

Doing nothing, or voting RP won't make a difference, other than to yourself..honestly, it will simply be ignored, and reported as 'other' if at all.

That doesn't leave many options, so make it count..whatever you choose.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Thanks, its good to hear some GOOD OLD common sense!

Bump your message!

The Winds of Change!

I Am Making A Difference For Myself And My Own Conscience.

I Am Making A Difference For Myself And My Own Conscience.

For My Loved Ones. For The People of The United States And The World and I care not what ANYONE thinks. I have offered ideas but:

I have NOT asked for ANYONE'S advice - including yours.

I never said this: You put words into my mouth and I just spat them out:

And I quote you:

"How can anyone come through the RP campaign, and in all conciousness, vote to endorse either obama or romney, despite how they might think it could effect the outcome, or a prospect for 2016.

First off: Your spelling is wrong. "conciousness"

If you cannot spell CONSCIOUSNESS then I wonder about your own consciousness.

Second: I have NEVER advocated Obama or Romney.

Be Conscious :) Always.

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Thanks for being selfish

Thanks for being selfish instead of doing whats best for liberty as a whole at this juncture... I am glad you can at least massage your ego for some temporary feel good rationalizations...

It's always better to massage your on ego then to take a couple steps forward. Fuck everyone else all or nothing!... Sigh!

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Oh, You Know What Is Best. Thank You For Schooling Us.

Oh, You Know What Is Best. Thank You For Schooling Us.

I also want to apologize for my selfishness for having worked day and night for Ron Paul's Presidential Campaigns 2008 and 2012.

Non-Stop Work since 2007 - Unpaid. 100% Grassroots.

Maybe some day you can teach me how not to be selfish.

I am not throwing 5 years of work because of your puny opinion.

It is worth nothing to me.

Neither are "minus" votes worth anything to me:

I know who those people are: Desperate People. You are all so transparent it's funny. You are the "Anyone But Ron Paul" Crowd.

RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION 2012

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I've been supporting Ron Paul

I've been supporting Ron Paul since 1988 so get off your high horse and quit thinking you're the only one who has sacrificed for liberty. Back then everyone thought you were a kook there was no movement like there is today.

It's not a matter throwing years of work away what part of "Ron Paul is not running anymore" do you not understand?

You spit on Ron Paul's philosophy by making it about Ron Paul the man when he constantly has said it is not about him it is about liberty.

So Yes I have schooled you on liberty but you are too selfish and self absorbed to admit it thinking you deserve some pat on the back for your Idol worship of Ron Paul who himself rejects Idol worship but your welcome anyway for the schooling!

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Well to be honest

The remark wasn't directed at you personally, it was a general post on the subject you raised. I gave up on your suggested course of action when I saw some of your replies. I honestly think you are disillusioned and need to take a break for a while, for your own good. I don't mean that in a bad way either.
I do apologise for dropping the 's' on consciousness, but then to make an issue of that tends to support my thoughts above.

Now, as for your choice of direction, that's what I've been pointing out in any posts I've made..that's certainly your perogitive to opt out if you so desire, but it's your choice alone, so don't push it on everyone else.
Peace and Liberty.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I hear what you are saying about choice and not pushing it, but

I think the point that the poster is making here is that GJ seems to be pushed on the seen here. GJ is no Ron Paul. Voting against another candidate or the RNC is the same tactic that has been done for years. Yes, express Liberty and vote the way each individual deems fit. BUT, to have GJ all over the dailypaul is not much differnet than voting the lesser of two evils. Yes, I see the side of vote for GJ cuz it will show our numbers and it will show the RNC, Romney will lose, but other than that I am not sure I see the point. The man is "better" than the others.

The opportunity of Ron Paul was mocked, laughed at, scorned, shunned, and thrown away. Stupid on their part, but what moves we make as individuals, if we do it with as much integrity and fortitude that Dr. Paul has shown, would that not be a smarter move?

I guess what I am wondering, is voting for GJ to prove a point a smarter move?? You state for the poster not to "push it on everyone else", BUT I see the GJ folks pushing GJ pretty hard.

We are mourning over Ron Paul's treatment, but moreso the treatment of freedom.

Do we vote GJ cuz we are free to do so? Or do we try to develop an even better plan? Just looking for solutions that I personally can use to lay my head down and know I did the best of my ability for the day and maybe did not take the easy road (?)

You raise some good points

I personally condemned GJ supporters for pushing the Libertarian vote prior to the convention, mainly because it wasn't an appropriate stance or time to even consider such a direction. I also think they did a lot of harm to their cause by doing that, and not lending their full support to Ron Paul, if in fact they were actually RP supporters, and the upcoming convention.
I think this tenacious pushing at that time, not only polarised the RP community against them, but there exists some remnant of that feeling to this day. Could possibly explain the anti GJ sentiment that the mention of the name raises even now.

Having said that, now is the time to consider any and all options that may rise from the smoke and ashes of the national convention.
I think most people that would consider GJ as 'the alternative choice' see this as supporting a 3rd party run, not just a candidate, as the way of the future. The man is certainly no Ron Paul, but does stand for many RP principles and agenda, and certainly is a far cry from the status quo and their unelectable candidates.

I think many see the Liberty ticket as a vehicle to gain support from disenchanted R&D drop-out voters, independants and other libertarian groups as well, providing traction and a voice to the movement..and maybe even a glimmer of hope of opening the debates and challenging the GOP, or simply sending a loud and clear message to the GOP.

This is not to the detriment of those that would stay within the GOP structure, consider a write-in or abstaination. It's simply another way to move the revolution forward, and we should respect those motives and open our minds to any benefits we may see in choosing that direction. Condemning the GJ option, and those that support it, is simply repeating the actions of the GOP/RNC toward Ron Paul and the Liberty movement.
I think many within the Revolution ranks are looking for a direction that will support Ron Paul the man, rather than the Ron Paul message..and those that have seized upon the GJ Liberty direction feel that they have found it.
It all comes down to what is right for you, but we can't move ahead and win hearts and minds while we remain divided as a movement.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Agreed.

Yes and condeming GJ is just as the RNC did without full research of GJ. I support both the message and the man. I wish we could clone him over about a million times... :0)

And it is true we need to come together or we will be divided and we all know that saying. BUT as you pointed out, were those supporters even RP supporters in the first place? They were very quick, too quick to jump on the GJ bandwagon without full research of him. That is what we do, jump, but with research, and I am not sure that all due diligence has been done on GJ. Personally, I know for me I have not had the time, please see here

Freedom Supporter Needs Your Help http://www.dailypaul.com/257537/freedom-supporter-needs-your...

This has been a full time job. I just am praying he gets better and have not had much time for anything else.

Anyway, thanks for the intelligible and not condescending response, much appreciated.

I am taking a break. I deserve it. Thank you.

I am taking a break. I deserve it. Thank you.

This is too much. It really is too much.

I just want a happy life with a special someone I love and that is it.

I detest getting into arguments and unfortunately The Daily Paul has become THE ULTIMATE HOME for fights and arguments. That wears you down after a while.

It hurts immensely to have so much love in your heart that you spend 5 years of your life working for World Peace and to know that - incredibly - there are people who oppose you and your friends.

How we have been treated - The Ron Paul People - beggars belief.

Simply for being kind people.

What you have told me, I already knew: You cannot live fighting and arguing. I have tried to help all I could. I did it with the best of my intentions. I really wanted to help make a difference.

After this is over, whatever happens, I just want a very special someone to build a happy life together with.

This Ron Paul Presidential Campaigns were the most emotionally taxing endurance course I have ever been engaged in.

I hope for a different kind of engagement in my near future ♥

All My Love.

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Response

"I Am Making A Difference For Myself And My Own Conscience."

R3volution as therapy/self-help.

"For My Loved Ones. For The People of The United States And The World"

It's unclear to me how voting to make yourself feel better helps anyone else.

"I care not what ANYONE thinks."

Says the man on an internet forum?

"I have offered ideas"

Where? What ideas do you have for us? All I see is "Ron Paul or None at All!" That is not any kind of strategy, there's nothing to be done with that, except repeat it to yourself as a justification for doing nothing.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

This Is All So Ridiculous. How Childish.

This Is All So Ridiculous. How Childish.

It's Over. Too Late.

Obama will DEMOLISH Romney To Pieces.

RON PAUL could do the same in a debate - better than anyone.

A miracle could happen. Unlikely? Yes. But anything is possible.

Good luck to The Gary Johnson Crowd: You will not even register on the radar. He will not be allowed in the debates. He does not have the infrastructure that THE RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION built over 5 years.

No-One knows who he is,

Go ask: Are you going to vote for Gary Johnson?

People are going to look at you very funny. Try it.

Gary Who???

Gary Johnson Will Be The Next President Of The United States and it is also true that pigs do fly. The Ultimate Kool-Aid.

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There is a good point about this, remember Ron Paul who?

However, Gary johnson is no Ron Paul. Ron Paul is worth talking about, spreading his integrity, his message, and his value for us and the Constitution. the way in which Ron Paul has fought tirelessly aainst the status quo for OUR country, that is worth talking about to others and telling others who he is. Does Gary Johnson have that same integrity? This is the question I believe you are trying to raise here. AND people on the dailypual have had a very good point with this regard, the day after the election it will be Gary who?

So, I think your point is why vote for someone just to make a statement against the other two? That is the same as voting the lesser of two evils, only now it is the lesser of three (?) The point that the Johnson people want to make is that they are not necessarily voting for Johnson, but they are voting to make a statement about what Romney has done, the RNC has done, and the MSM has done.

I hear you loud and clear. I understand that I want to lay my head down at night and NOT do the same old thing and vote the lesser of two evils, now three. I understand those who say I will vote for Gary johnson to prove a point to the RNC. BUT, Ron Paul seems to always act with integrity and I admire that. That is why we came together on the dailypaul and acroas this nation in the first place. Ron Paul is a rare man that was voted in to do a job and no one could bribe him to get him to do otherwise. That is hard to find and the rare opportunity was thrown away by the RNC and the evildoers.

So, I think that what you are saying is that voting for someone like Gary Johnson is no better than voting the same old way, the way that the MSM has brainwashed us into voting for years and years. VOTE AGAINT THE OTHER GUY!! (in this case guys)

I hear both sides of this, but I will support the Ron Paul write-in campaign. We need to STOP voting against the other guy. That is the same whether you vote to get out Obama and vote for Romney, you vote for Gary to prove a point to the RNC so Romeny will not win. A vote for any of them is really not a vote FOR as much as it is AGAINST someone else.

Also, I also think you have brought up the idea of Gary and war, he is pro-war??

President Paul 2012!! Write-in in Maine, Iowa, New Hampshire and more!!

The 30 signs I just put up

The 30 signs I just put up around the city will let people know Gary Johnson is out there. Will he win? No, but I'm just looking for 5-15% at this point.

the ultimate litmus test is donation really..

ive been saying i am totally uninspired by johnson.. but i can by all means back off a confrontation out of decency.. no one wants to live in constant conflict anyway. you can prop up johnson all you want and i might not even want to argue with you all the time, sometimes making an illusion like you are winning.. the ultimate test is how much money people are willing to put where their mouth is.. so far he's not getting a dime of the 2k+ i gave to paul.

i realize his political ambition coincides with our need for someone less bad than obamney, but if this is what some people are claiming the best liberty movement has to offer, then i'm saving my money.

so far what he has done to satisfy his own ambition is pulling some from the paul movement.. he has none of the ability to draw in new blood from all spectrums, not even from liberals to whom he's closer to. he's not in the front line in the trenches arguing with liberals at all like paul did to neo-cons.. simply uninspiring.

You Are Absolutely Right.

You Are Absolutely Right.

Let The Gary Johnson People create a Daily Johnson - instead of coming to The Daily Paul and launch a Money Bomb for Gary Johnson and we'll see what they can achieve.

In fact, I challenge them to try to do it here - if Michael Nystrom is fine with that: This is his website and the home he so kindly created for us THE RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION.

AWESOME IDEA AND CHALLENGE:

Gary Johnson Squatters at The Daily Paul:

Do It. Start Your Money Bomb and make THE RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION laugh.

Laughter is the best medicine :)

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well since michael supports johnson

there's not much to be done about it.. ive been simply browsing alternative sites lately

but really, all these people and all this talk, no one wants to put up his own money for damn's worth and johnson's now in debt.. hella funny.

people who have names and faces in the movement are naturally biased to support johnson, because continuing this movement in a centralized way is always to their advantage. a psychological thing. some people just want their own audience base over this. that's why tom woods is such a rarity.. he's opening his business selling liberty lectures yet he doesn't hesitate to describe johnson as uninspiring. perhaps even more so for scott horton, who simply asks 'where is gary johnson's spine' in a radio conversation between horton and woods

I think you need to change

I think you need to change your handle... There is no wisdom in voting for someone who is not running and doing nothing while complaining no one knows who Gary Johnson is. Some of us worked our asses off in 2008 when nobody knew who Ron Paul was and now he is a household name.

So if you really want to live up to your handle get off your ass and start getting the word out about Gary Johnson. And yes he can win there is lots of discontent out there the time is ripe to break the two party strangle hold.

Me thinks people who take this tact do it mainly to justify their quitting!

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Well: Simple: If There Is No One I Like I Support No-One!

Well: Simple: If There Is No One I Like I Support No-One!

So There! PERIOD!

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The Wisdom Strategy

Step 1: Do nothing.

Step 2: See step 1.

Brilliant.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

If You Don't Like It, I'm Fine With That.

If You Don't Like It, I'm Fine With That.

And I have spent 5 years of my life working day and night for Ron Paul's Presidential Campaigns 2008 and 2012.

I HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE A HAPPY LIFE! I REQUEST AND DEMAND THAT RIGHT.

I chose out of my own free will to work for free for someone I love.

It was MY DECISION and NOBODY tells me what to do.

R[3]VOLUTION!

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Just curious. Why do you think you have a RIGHT to

a happy life? Who is supposed to provide you with that right? I think you have the right to pursue happiness, but no right to happiness itself.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

So why are you here?

If you want to quit, then quit and be gone. Don't try to spread your defeatism.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Why Am I Here? To Smash You To Pieces, Infiltrators!

Why Am I Here? To Smash You To Pieces, Infiltrators!

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Bitter attention-seeking

Bitter attention-seeking posts indicate baby missed a nap.

Response

1) You upvote your own posts, don't you?

2) I don't think you actually believe that. I think you're posturing.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Let me get this right..

So the 'wisdom' strategy is to do nothing, and hope someone notices..and feels bad about it?

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I have spent 5 years of my life supporting Ron Paul.

I have spent 5 years of my life supporting Ron Paul.

I am sick of politics and politicians so:

It is either Ron Paul or I support NO-ONE ELSE.

I have better things to do with my life :)

Check-Mate.

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