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Another troll moment? Have you noticed how many people are posting discouraging comments?

At key points in the revolution this site always seems to be flooded with comments about how we can't win, how this or that candidate or person is not good enough or is working against "US" or how it is time to give up and stop the fight.

Seems like this is one of those moments.

It is obviously critical to the establishment that Ron Paul retires and rides into the sunset. They do not want him to continue spreading the message of liberty. Think what could happen, he may actually wake so many people up that the very establishment rule could come under attack!

So what do they do? They infiltrate sites like this with discouraging comments designed to divide us, fight amongst ourselves and ultimately make us all give up. We are up against it and it is all for naught. Give up, go back to sleep, TPTB have it all under control and there is nothing YOU can do about it!

BUT this is just a sign that we are winning. We have passed the "ignore phase" and the "ridicule phase" (although these tactics are still very much being used against us) and we are now in the "fight phase" They are now fighting us with all they've got.

This is what we have worked so hard to achieve. We now have to fight them and then we win!

It was always going to come to this. Don't be discouraged, keep fighting even harder than ever before. They are scared now but also more dangerous than ever, but we were never going to win without this coming fight. There is not a dirty trick they won't use against us. We have seen some of them already but they are just getting started.

But we have the numbers and we have truth, love, peace, freedom and God on our side. We will win, it is only a question of when.

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So true :)

Many people are probably still upset, discouraged, and downright angry! Maybe there is a feeling of being lost and what to do next? And for sure it is understandable. But you are right!!, we need to stand our ground, get back up and keep moving forward!! Just keep doing what we have been doing and using the internet as the powerful tool that it has become!!! For sure you are right...encouragement is needed!! An encouraging word is a blessing to the soul. Dr. Paul is an example to us all...perfect? by no means, but he does espouse the qualities of a true patriot, what a real leader should be and in my opinion a true Christian!

Fear knocked on my door and Faith answered!


have you noticed how many people are posting encouraging comments?

does this comment qualify me as a troll?

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Hehe. Good one. Point !

Hehe. Good one.

Point !

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Well, Lars, I understand your frustration

Well, Lars,

I understand your frustration.

YMMV, but I'm not so much worried by very argumentative comments on a given specific thread as I am with an observable trend of strangely more and more controversial thread topics, for a place like the Daily Paul, as opposed to, e.g., I-Love-My-Obomney-OMG-He-Is-So-Cool.net.

I'll only sigh and won't point fingers, though (fueling those, that would defeat the purpose, clearly)... so, big *SIGH*.

Still, back to your point, in case you'd have missed it, and for others too, hopefully for saving us some time / energy afterwards :

so, here is an informative post / resource giving us a few pretty useful tips on patterns of discussion threads that we might want to be aware of, and to deal with using as less energy of ours as possible (when one can see them as malicious or very malicious) :


There's a lot that sounds obvious, but there's also a lot which is much less evident and, I think, really to good to know !



"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius



A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

Mit(t Roll)mneys...


Yes. I was thinking of

Yes. I was thinking of creating a similar post today. I have noticed the massive influx of what appears to be an entity which is trying to discourage and derail the movement. The movement is fragmented right now, and they are/will be doing everything they can to keep it that way.

I vote

That the word "troll" is forever stricken from the vocabulary of DPers.

I understand your sentiment, but really we got to stop throw that word around. Not a day goes by where it isnt used, I swear...

trolling for grown ups

it's the cyber age equivalent of saying someone has "cooties". Ewww don't pay attention to her she's a troll with cooties. lol

I think it's behavior caused by something big pharma puts in the acne cream.

I agree for the most part

I fully agree that we should never call each other trolls. Noone can ever know exactly where another person is coming from.

I also agree with several of the comments that most of the discouraging comments simply are because we are all discouraged right now.

Having said that I am convinced that there are also trolls on here - well of course there is - the establishment would not miss the opportunity. They have obviously paid people to post here to cause as much havoc here as possible, to divide people, to put us against our own candidates and people etc. etc.

I am not saying that all of that is caused by trolls, I think quite the opposite, most of it is done by well intended freedom lovers, however the trolls are experts in disinfo and mind control and they successfully use our feelings for their evil objectives.

Basically we just need to wise up and not be so easily led astray. That was the intention of my post. Ron Paul has shown us the way. Be kind and respectful to everyone, trust noone and let everybody get on with what they think is the most important thing to do.

Old timers more than trolls.

I think what has been going on more than troll attacks is the loss of patience by the 40 somethings and up in the movement. I can't speak for any of the others but I am sure most love the youth in the movement. Myself included.

The conflict has been most visible in the "we need to move on" realm. Us old timers saw the writing on the wall months ago. Again, I don't pretend to speak for all of the old timers but I think most were getting tired of all the "hope" scenarios.

We were thinking ahead of the curve. It comes with age.

Looking over several of the posts since the Leno show is encouraging. The youth are also seeing it is time to move on. I wish I could see what that next step is for sure....

We will all figure it out together one way or another :).


I agree with you about the false hope,

but I would have been perfectly satisfied with the campaign if they had gone for Romney's jugular if only to knock the GOP to its senses. There were so many things that could have been said.

Thank you, Lars.

Your timely post is much needed. The divisiveness here has gotten to the point of lunacy.

Thank you to those DPers who have posted positive comments here. We must stick together and continue on. Anything else would be to accept the fate TPTB have contrived, without a fight.

There is another interesting post http://www.dailypaul.com/251847/how-do-we-make-liberty-mains... those who wish to continue should read and comment on. Zak is still with us and could use our feedback on his new freedom project.

Oh, look... more Frederick Ewing fans

adding fuel to the fire they started. LOL!

And Casting Downvotes?

Then again...if everyone loves ya...and you have no enemies, it means ya never stood for anything.
That ain't you Nonna.
But they are cowards nonetheless.

(Richard is lurking here day-by-day) Hahha!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

A pessimist is just a better informed optimist.

Trolls are hired guns. They have free speech but they speak for pay; favor or money. IMO.

Problem is without evidences I will not accuse.

Four years for me and longer for you. A lot of sand to sift to find those Jewels; the honest post.

A Persona can appear honest or sarcastic. An individual is honest, or not, even in sarcasm.

Mises holds a Liberty Circle. Ron told Jay a bigger tent is needed.

Maybe the Circus is about to start?

Free includes debt-free!



LOve the R3volution - regardless of whose saying what to whom

Thank You Lars !!!

You are SO RIGHT!
The comments below are coming from so many directions that it leaves one to ponder: DID ANYBODY STICK TO THE POINT HERE?
We are Winning
We are past the "ignore stage"
Do NOT be discouraged.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I think you're obsessed with

I think you're obsessed with "troll-itis". Anyone who doesn't share your same thoughts or are given to blowing smoke is apt to be labelled a "troll" after all. The infiltrators who have a destructive agenda are easily recognized. Perhaps there are so many discouraging comments because so many people are truly discouraged. You calling them "trolls" does not keep them on track. Perhaps we all need some time to grieve .

Time To Grieve?..Perhaps

..But consider this also:
"It's OK to look back at the past....
.....just don't STARE"..

Much has been accomplished..the OP's message is about THAT.
If you need to grieve...do it...it's personal...and we will all do that in our own way.
Then it's time to move on, step forward.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Look back at the past and

learn from it. Grief and anger are natural reactions and it's okay to allow ourselves that moment. Then, get over both of those emotions as quickly as possible and move forward.

You are so right, Danton! We HAVE accomplished more than "they" expected. Why give up now? We can only grow stronger if we grow together. Imagine what we could accomplish in just a few more years, if we keep going and growing strong!

Our grassroots RP HQ in NJ is expecting to continue on to help all RP minded candidates, regardless of party affiliation. But, we also know that we must continue to occupy positions within those political parties.

Agreed Nonna!

Greetings from Clearwater...a recuperative locale on the way.

I cannot believe you got downvotes again?
For a POSITIVE Message re: NJ RPers?

These are not from "grieving folk" but from nasty TROLLS still here,
and angry that WE ARE WINNING!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Yes I think you are right

Sure - we have some trolls

But we also have a lot of dedicated people who have poured time and money into this and are quite justified in feeling hung out.

The time for witty comments has long past. He was asked directly who he was voting for - it was his time to send a message and he didn't - and he absolutley should have.

Sorry, but the last few months have been nothing short of one failure after another. Perhaps he was threatened, but sorry to say, if he was, then he has a BIGGER obligation to out it. He simply cannot hide in the safety of the corruption while purporting to be against it - you can't have it both ways - you are either with them or against them. I think they have made it clear - you will NOT take over the party in some peaceful, by the rules manner. It's like quoting the law to a mobster coming to collect on a debt - good luck.

At this point, the only thing that will save this movement is a TRUTH letter from Ron himself explaining, in clear English his intents and his wishes.

Damn the corruption, damn the party and damn this fools hope of a peaceful change. I am sick of living in the shadows, pretending their is a bigger plan - sitting here like a fool trying to get in his head. The two parties have showed their hands. Now lets show ours.

The longer he remains silent, the more power the trolls gain.

Enough is enough.
No more guessing.
No more hidden messages.
No more snake in the grass advice from Jessie.
No more being like THEM - just tell us what the hell your plan is.



I did notice that.

They're trolls.

(most of them anyway)

Are you Sick of all the Scoundrels down in Washington, D.C.
Do you Want someone to Stand up and defend your liberty
Do you Think our nation's Cap'tal needs a Major overhaul
Well then Join the R3volution Get Behind Ron Paul!

~to Turkey in the Straw~

I think people truly feel deflated...

I am personally more disappointed that the Paul campaign didn't push forward in the face of Romney's threat than from losing outright.

Disappointed? REALLY?

After you've "kicked around" the newsletters "issue" like it was a Kasey Kasem Golden Oldies Show?

CONCERN TROLL......if the shoe fits wear it.
Would you like that in a lace-up model or slip-ons?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Yeah, really

When the campaign cares more about Paul's image than the issues, I am disappointed.

Call me whatever you want, I'm not worried about my image.

We didn't "lose outright" & why the focus on Romney's threat?

We didn't lose. There was despicable behavior on the part of the GOP/Romney campaign during the primaries; proven rigged voting machines; a mainstream-media blackout on the left and right; disenfranchisement of state delegates by state GOP leadership at state conventions; disenfranchisement of state delegates by the nat'l RNC (Maine); disregard by the RNC for its own rules at the convention; disregard for the outcome of the vote & objection; and Ron Paul robbed of his right to at least speak - that is, dirty business from Day One. http://www.dailypaul.com/251831/ron-paul-won

And we were made aware of the threat by Romney of character assassination if Paul ran 3rd Party. We were also made aware of other factors to be weighed into that decision. And there may have been other factors Ron Paul put into the equation we were not made aware of. I'm not aware the threat of a smear campaign was the deciding factor - though you've made your own questioning of Ron Paul's character clear enough. http://www.dailypaul.com/252344/doug-wead-romney-threatened-...

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