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The Ron Paul picture is gone...

I know that the Daily Paul is moving past focusing on Ron Paul's 2012 campaign, but did the Ron Paul picture on the right of the DP really have to get taken down? After all, our movement and this website IS still inspired by the good doctor even if it's no longer mainly about getting him elected. And that's all the picture said: "The Daily Paul is inspired by Ron Paul". Now there is nothing about him, not even a smaller picture. Does anyone else feel the same way?

Nystrom Update: Please see my response in this comment, below. Thank you.

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Cyril's picture

Ron Paul : The Film

Ron Paul : The Film

http://www.dailypaul.com/265424/ron-paul-the-film

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Does That Mean There Will Be A 2016 Section Soon?

Hmmm???

even Teddy Roosevelt disdained pandas

still miss the picture

one can hope.

-vapaulsupporter

"Those who control their tongue will have a long life"

To Michael:

What you have been doing is greatly appreciated and I admire your humble and balanced approach to haters and trolls. I wanted to share something and hopefully it will be encouraging to you.

People feel secure under the protection and uniting force of an idol. Always have. Ron Paul understands that and has put an enormous effort to avoid becoming one.

And although Dr. Paul did not ever project himself as an idol, many people accepted him as such. Why? Because they are afraid of taking personal responsibility as individuals who have well defined character and feel comfortable in their own self. What is in a picture and is this discussion even worth the bits and the time? I'd say no.

You cannot really stop haters from hating and trolls from trolling. I would like to encourage you to continue what You, Sir, have been doing.

To all the haters and trolls - your negativity brings nothing but bad effect on your own bodies. Take care of yourself, stop spewing hatred and/or lies, it is healthy and good for you.

choices

Some people feel there is meaning in having Ron's picture on the site. Why not give a choice, the way you do with the classic banner toggle? Include a choice of having the picture showing in the banner or such, it shouldn't be a big deal. Just let people enjoy the stay out here, with or without the picture...After all some of us donate to this site... I guess when we stop liking it, we should stop paying as well.

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Since you raised this thread from the dead

I would recommend that people do what you did, become a paid prescriber and put Ron Paul picture in your post,

there can be much benefit in doing so.

One it helps keep the Daily Paul going.

Two it gets Ron Paul picture out there hundreds and thousands of times.

Three it symbolizes that WE ALL carry the Ron Paul message forward all the time, Mini Ron Pauls all around the world. LOL

Four you could choose your favorite Ron Paul picture.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

What's with all the Nystrom bashing?

I've had many phone conversations with Michael (and others from DP) and of all the characters on this site I would certify Michael's as the most genuine, humble, and approachable -- he is infectious (especially his laugh).

I never post on any other RP websites -- including the official one.

I rarely post on Mises.org either.

I post on the Daily Paul because I find the widest range of views (within the liberty movement) and greatest opportunity for open-minded debate.

If you don't like an open atmosphere I can point you to websites I've been banned from and you can try your luck there, smile.

How many websites can you kick the tar out of the owner and not find your post or membership deleted.

Hell it was on Daily Paul that I coined the phrase "Birther" (though you guys do not use it right).

That's o-u-t-r-e-a-c-h people.

If it was a simple picture

If it was a simple picture that united many of us, or reminded us why we are here, I say put it up. I keep the Ron Paul 2012 bumper sticker on my car, not because I am still holding out for some divine miracle in the 2012 election, but because it represents an idea whose time has come. I get asked all the time why I still have that on my car if he is no longer a candidate, and it opens up the door to some great conversation about "Ron Paul: the idea" and the rapidly growing liberty movement he inspired. The Ron Paul picture may be, in simple terms, as silly as my bumper sticker, but it represents so much more beyond Paul as a candidate.

I don't expect a miracle so soon.

But, my bumper sticker stays on until the day it falls off, as a reminder to those who see it to remember what they could have had, if only they turned off the MSM boobnews.

My yard sign stays up, until I decide to take it down. Have no plans to take it down any time soon. If someone walks by and asks why I still have that RP sign out, I will give that person some serious things to think about for the next time he or she walks into a voting booth.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Hey Nonna ...

The weirdest thing just happened. My computer was just acting strange kinda like a you tube video buffering and all of a sudden a screen pops up, it showed the DP Home page as the location.

Well... on it was an awesome post by Michael an intro explaining his political views in depth. I did not get to read the whole post. I refreshed my screen and ~poof~ it was gone. I then raced to the home page to see if it was really there. It was not.

At the top of the page was Dr. Paul's picture back & it Read "Welcome to the Daily Paul.com"

Did I get a sneak peek by accident? ~Suspense~

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Huh? Seriously?

Some things just go over my head at times.

BTW, how long do we have to wait before our memberships in Hidden Places are accepted? I'm sure a few of us applied.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

thank you Michael

I just wanted to say thank you to Michael for all his efforts. There is a lot of irony in some of the attack comments below and I think Michael did an excellent job explaining his points.

However, I disagree with his overall strategy. Without Ron Paul being part of the system, none of us would be here. My opinion is that we should be active in the Republican and Democratic parties; heck I believe we should be active in the FED, IRS and CFR; working over decades to dismantle them from the inside.

But no, people will say, it has to be now! The country is ending unless we magically elect Ron Paul president in 2008 2012. The reality is, the world goes on and we need strategies that last 5, 10 and 20-years out.

So we need both -- participate in the current system and work to dismantle it. Most fundamentally, we need our friends and neighbors to participate in our local government. Go to meetings! It's that simple.

And a final point, I don't agree with opening up the topics more. I love conspiracy theories (or did), I grew up writing computer games about them in the early 90s. But now, I'm dismayed by the lack of critical thinking and this narrative about evil supervillians controlling the world.

Oh I know, I just haven't read what you have read right? Or watched the documentary film you did? But actually I have and I thought about it, criticizing my conclusions and ideas. I just ask you to do the same. Be open to every idea, including the one that you (or I) are wrong.

There are so many unrelated ads on this site

it doesn't even look like Ron paul any more. And not only is the picture gone, but the top banner/nav bar seems to be shrinking and shrinking..

First and foremost

Laugh laugh laugh, I can't believe you're being so rough here.. "it's a picture", not a disassembly of a movement, "a movement" that some of you like to call it. If its real, it will stand.

Michael's own site, respect that first and foremost.

"When The Music's Over"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLAr-WlxMZY

Wow

Some here are being "control freaks", this is not your property, what don't you understand?

I say replace the pic...

With the liberty fighter of the month.
Starting with Michael Nystrom.
Hip Hip Chin Chin! :)

Hey that's a great idea!

I always feel inspired when I see what other people are doing around the country and world to promote liberty. There's so many people out there doing good things I'd love hear about them and what's working in their area.

Blah Blah

We surely have bigger things to worry about.

Yes a lot is changing and it should be expected that the Liberty movement is going to fracture and many are going to go in different directions.

I for one am now going to still share a lot of Ron's principles but am going to be joining and working a lot more with the folks that are going with the Venus Project/Zeitgeist model of doing what we can to do dismantle the Federal government because of it's uselessness and irrelevancy. All of the Career politicians at the Federal level contribute nothing of value at all to the People or the Infrastructure of this country. In fact they spend everyday coming up with new ways to rob the people while the Infrastructure of this country crumbles.

It's time to "End the Fed" in a much broader sense..We certainly don't need anymore Lawyers micromanaging our lives and personal affairs. Best of luck to everyone in whatever path you choose to make a difference.

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

I still see 2 pictures of Ron Paul up on the side walll ---->

Want his picture still up? Talk to Daily Paul's advertisers or better yet buy your own advertisement on Michael's site and place a big old picture of the good Doctor in it. Problem solved. If all else fails tape your favorite picture of Dr. Paul to your screen where he used to be and get back to pushing the cause of liberty forward

I understand why some feel uneasy about the pictures removal and I also understand and trust Michael's decision to remove it. Honestly I feel it's much ado about nothing. There are far more important causes to spend your valuable time and effort on. I feel like those who are infighting about small things really don't have enough to do. Find your liberty cause and push it forward!

If it's not that big of a deal

why not just put it back? I'd say more of us want it back than not want it. The fact that Michael and the mods are explaining themselves to such a degree to not bring it back makes me wonder....

Come on, he's a good lookin man. Dr. Paul's picture gives me a smile. And it should give you one too. It's like a picture on your wall, it's not necessary but it's there to "inspire" and "remind".

-vapaulsupporter

maybe

a compromise would be a picture that illustrated images of Liberty and Freedom and certainly Ron Paul would deserve a place in there along with other TRIED and TRUE men and women of our country's history.

I feel and certainly hope that Ron Paul's name will go down as a Hero and you don't have to be a "Paulbot" or an "antiPaulbot" to agree with that. How many people have been brought into politics by his speeches and appearances. I certainly count myself as one.

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

As someone who has been here

As someone who has been here for almost 5 yrs., I can't believe you guys are arguing about a graphic on a blog. Really?

michcrow's picture

Hmmm me thinks we're over

Hmmm me thinks we're over reacting a bit. If Michael wants to take the picture down. That's ok. I think everyone on here is pretty familiar with what Dr Paul looks like. And we all know how we got here to begin with. I think this is simply a design move, more than anything else. It is still called the DailyPaul after all. If Michael thinks this is a good way to focus more on the message then it makes sense.

Two shorten the road.

So now the objective is Libertarian Redstate

Okay, I am fine with this as long as everyone is being honest here. Thank you Nystrom for being honest about the change in brand and putting up with us. I still dislike this decision, but I respect your view on the future of the Movement.

There are pros and cons to everything. I think he is being more far sighted with the mission of the Daily Paul.

I just liked the 'inspired by' tag as a reminder to be civil to others. As long as those of us who like Ron (which will eventually become a minority I am afraid), we can hold our heads high knowing who inspires us. You are right. We have Ron Paul Forums and other places where we can still get our dose of Ron Paul, nice subtle advert for other places. We do live in a free market in terms of getting our Ron Paul fix. The DP is one among many to get that, and if the DP wishes to move away from Ron we still have other places to go to.

The times are a changin' around here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWdCKPtnYE

I hope it is for the best.

Edit: An article about change
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER

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What is up with this 'Libertarian Redstate' Analogy?

I have no idea what this means. I've seen you use it a couple of times now, and I just don't understand what it means. I don't visit Redstate, and all I know about it is that are a GOP front site and they banned Ron Paul supporters. What does it mean that the objective is Libertarian Redstate?

My whole objective here is to make everyone welcome. Can we all get along? Can we not be united and get along? Isn't that what the whole United States is all about? Are we all united behind George Washington now because he was our first president? We see a picture of him every day, multiple times a day -- on fiat money! Does it even register? The picture is there, but does it retain the message? That is my whole point.

I read your post "Are Ron Paul supporters even welcome here any more?" What does that mean, either? I don't even get the Transformers article. Am I just a dullard? Suddenly I don't understand anything.

Why do GJ posts make you feel unwelcome? Can't you just ignore them? Can't stand people with different opinons from you? (Oh, I forgot THIS IS THE DAILY PAUL!) Have all Ron Paul posts been wiped out? Did I ban you? Have I banned any reasonable Ron Paul supporters recently?

And of all people you! You're the one that got me in trouble for the Oh Long Johnson cat post. Fine, you can post funny cat videos but apparently I can't put them on the front page because of the overly serious nature of this damn website because everyone has to be focused on the literally impossible fantasy of getting Ron Paul elected president. Concentrate! Focus! Don't harsh anyone's fantasy daydream about RP winning the election in November. Believe and it will happen!

This is what I'm trying to avoid. At this point, I'm desperately trying to keep this site from becoming a parody of itself: RON PAUL CAN STILL WIN! IF WE CAN JUST GET 50 MILLION PEOPLE TO WRITE HIM IN - IT IS POSSIBLE. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THIS IS A QUITTER!

Ok. Sorry. Done ranting. Just had to get that out.

Times, yes they are, a changing. And what is the answer? Out there blowing in the wind. ;-)

I hope things are changing for the best, too. But please, fill me in on what that means, "A libertarian Redstate." Sounds bad. I highly doubt I want that, either.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Reply to Oh Long Johnson

(Note this is all a joke)

You talk about you getting in trouble! That post was so down voted so much it effected my DP rep so bad. I think I got the raw of the deal on that one!! AAAHHHH!!!!

(I think humor and parody are essential to commentary, I still laugh occasionally about that video and the legend of it on the DP, the only place in the world that hates cat videos)

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May the LORD make His face shed light upon you and be gracious unto you
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How did I miss your cat video!?

I'm sure glad I read this and watched the video. I was wondering who to vote for. O Long Johnson. Please let me know if I misspelled the name. Let me know if I misspelled misspelled, too. I so hate airrors.

Hopefully, I can disagree without being banned

You say you're doing what you think is best for the movement and that we are idolizing Ron Paul like a fiat dollar bill.

If you read more of these posts you would see that's clearly not true.

We see Ron Paul as a modern day Founding Father and a rEVOLutionary figure. Even the GOP/CNN and Fox respects him enough to admit he started the modern day Tea Party. I would venture to say you are projecting more of your own (and your inner circle's) view of Ron Paul as a fiat dollar like character.

To most of us what you're saying sounds bizarre.

This place isn't Rolling Stone, some mag started by a band trying to be trendy and make a buck, is it? It claims to be about Peace, Gold, and Liberty and obviously (and ORIGINALLY) about Ron Paul. Otherwise why did did it ever have an about section with his picture/description and later changed to one of you shaking his hand?

We don't come here to worship Paul. Most of us don't have Paul's email or have talked to him on the phone like you have. We don't really know (or care to know) anything very personal about him and his dirty laundry.

Quite simply we identify with what he's done in the GOP and his PUBLIC views on rEVOLution, monetary policy, foreign policy, etc. Ron Paul is a FACE on TV and the Web who has been saying what we we're thinking and feeling AND..

He had a plan.

One that let us watch Bachmann, Cain, Newt, McCain, Huckabee, Guilliani and Perry get DESTROYED in debates. One that inspired by principle (not 'idolatry') an RNC revolt and delegate uprising.

Sorry, but Ron Paul did that--the face we saw on the screen did that. Not quiltingsando's grassroots flag (as nice as it is) or any acronym in the universe.

And did not Ron Paul's face with a black line through it become a symbol not only for his censorship and blackout but the censorship of the whole liberty movement? You were here right?

Removing his picture here and whitewashing over it--a place you personally claimed was a hotbed for the rEVOLution--will be removing the symbol that united us all. It's natural to cause an uproar since it's exactly what the MSM would do if they bought this site. It doesn't matter if you've personally moved on, you can't undo history.

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Fight the Ron Paul blackout on the Daily Paul (now 'P AU L'), put his removed poster back as your avatar:
http://www.mediafire.com/?9ir62bp8nshv83m

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This site is all about disagreeing and not getting banned

It is about sharpening your debate skills, learning, teaching, understanding, growing, which includes standing on your own two feet, not looking backwards and relying on someone else to save you or stand up for you or do anything else for you.

I would venture to say you are projecting more of your own (and your inner circle's) view of Ron Paul as a fiat dollar like character.

Who else's view should I, or can I, possibly project? I'm an individual who believes in individualism. I'm not going to project your view, I'm going to project mine. Duh. And as far as saying he is a 'fiat dollar like character' - I never said that. I said look at George Washington on the one dollar bill. He is there every day. You see him there every day. Do you feel united and inspired by that picture? Do you even know what it stands for? Unlikely. Which just goes to my point that a picture in and of itself will not do what you think it will do. A picture will not unite people. It is the principles that Ron Paul stood and stands for that unite us all.

To most of us what you're saying sounds bizarre.

To most of the country, and all of Congress, what Ron Paul said sounded bizarre. You're making a "majority rules" argument, which is completely inappropriate for a Ron Paul supporter. What is so disheartening, so disappointing about people like you is that while you claim to be a Ron Paul supporter, it seems that you have learned almost nothing from the man. You think seeing picture on a website is more important than putting his ideas into practice.

Removing his picture here and whitewashing over it--a place you personally claimed was a hotbed for the rEVOLution--will be removing the symbol that united us all.

Go forth and multiply. We were united for Ron Paul's presidential run, which is now over. There is no way we are all going to stay united now, but nor is there any reason we have to. Already there is division. Some support Johnson, some don't. Some support Rand, some don't. Some support Romney, some don't. Some will vote, some won't. Trying to tie us all together until the end of time will only cause what we've seen here: a bunch of infighting and sniping at one another.

Division is not inherently bad. What is the first thing that happens to an egg after it is fertilized? It divides. Then it divides again. And again. And again. And before you know it, it has grown into a complex and very capable organism.

Which would you rather have for the Liberty movement? That, or a unified, unfertilized egg that does not grow?

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

ok, but

please put the picture back...

"Any government that is big enough to give everything you need is also strong enough to take it all away."