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I was just polled by CNN - Obama-Romney-Johnson included.

I just received a telephone call from a pollster for a poll being done by CNN in conjunction with another organization that I cannot recall.

I was asked the standard right track- wrong track questions. There were 3 of these.

The last question, before they started the demographics questions, was POTUS. My choices were Obama/Lean Obama - Johnson/Lean Johnson - Romney/Lean Romney - Undecided/Lean Undecided. In that order.

No other presidential candidates were included. I instructed that I wanted my answer recorded as writing-in Ron Paul. The interviewer had absolutely no problem with this. I asked if my answer would be in the results even though I did not give one of the answers offered. She told me yes, that my answer would be recorded as "other".

I am not a Johnson fan and I will not vote for Johnson, but the Johnson folks here should be thrilled that their guy is being tested to see if he is at 15% for inclusion in the debates. Virgil Goode was not mentioned at all. I suspect Johnson will not be anywhere near 15% in any poll, but I wanted to report that he is at least being included.

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Something to Consider for the sake of your Principles

Choosing the easier of two conflicting principles instead of the one that is more of a moral high ground is selfish.

When did choosing to sabotage potential and being selfish ever become a principle?

Learn something you didn't understand about yourself...

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I decided to vote for the Libertarian Party in November

unless Ron Paul will get himself on the ballot. I know the choice will say Gary Johnson, but I want the Libertarian Party to get my vote. We need to start making it hard for the duopoly to continue the status quo.

I am a pro-lifer and would not normally vote for Gary, but the other too choices are abortionists also. Abortion is going to be with us for a long time unless we can shake up the duopoly, neither will touch it. So who will cause the least amount of death in the next 4 years? I think it would be Gary, he is calling for an immediate withdraw for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do I really think GJ has a chance to win? not even close, a Snowball would fair better in Hell. If you look at the candidates contributions you will see GJ only has raised $1.6M so far. Looks like the Gary Johnson supporters are all talk and no action. They would love to tap into the Paul supporters to get some fires going.

I only wish the GJ supporters would have held off trying to get Paul supporters to switch until the RNC was over. They would have gotten better reception now.

I know I said earlier I would never vote for GJ, but now I see some strategic benefits in it. I want to inflict pain on the GOP for their sins at the RNC and state conventions.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

Not trying to stir the pot

GJ supporters started promoting him when there was increasingly obvious evidence that Ron Paul didn't have any possibility of winning the primary. We all wanted Ron Paul to win, but we were being realistic and thinking ahead. I understand that it ticked some people off, but I think it was smart to consider and prepare for the future.

Please don't hate us. We are with you.

“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

Big help YOU were.

While you note to us that Johnson was an option - your answer was very helpful in making sure he WON'T be included in future polls.

There is ALWAYS an "other" category. CNN will reason "Why include Johnson when he can be OTHER".

Only YOU know your "other" was Ron Paul. It won't show up as a vote for Libertarian values. To the poll people it might have been Roseanne Barr or Pol Pot or Mickey Mouse.

Thanks for telling me how YOU

Thanks for telling me how YOU think I should answer polling questions. However, I always stick with the truth, unless it's something that is just none of the pollster's business, in which case I say so. I am not voting for Johnson and have no desire to pretend he is a liberty candidate. It's just that simple.

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for the honesty RonPaulRocks.

These GJ trolls are not going to change the minds of people who understand liberty how it is meant to be.

I would have voted for Johnson in the poll

this would have helped break up the duopoly strangle hold. Even if you had no intentions of voting Johnson in November it would be good to get competition in the debates.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

I agree with that

Just hope NO-ONE looks at Gary Johnson as the next Ron Paul, He is not.

To the OP..

the threat comes from the two-party system. In their 'disagreement' we stagnate the status quo. Whether you support Johnson or not, seeing 3rd party become more mainstream is an obstacle we NEED to get the masses of this nation past, or else our government will keep getting away with its crimes.

You didn't throw away your vote, because it was a polling and not an election. There was no vote. You DID waste the opportunity to put a voice on stage next to Obamney that will speak of many causes for Liberty. Respect for not choosing Rombama, but know that your 'write-in Paul' opinion will likely go unreported.

I will either write in Paul or vote Johnson, but if I were to be polled I would say Johnson definitelly.

How am I spreading the message of liberty? Releasing my friends and family from the Coke or Pepsi concept in our politics.

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I would be interested in reading about this

if I were over at the Daily Johnson. But I'm not.

(fourth time I've had to post this comment in less than two minutes)

but you don't 'have to' post this comment... =)

it does get irritating, sure - but evidently people want to discuss it or they wouldn't be.

This isn't a Ron Paul

This isn't a Ron Paul site.

This site is "INSPIRED" by Paul and in such is dedicated in name and SOME forum space for his now non-existent campaign.

This is a libertarian site... "Dedicated to the upholding of the constitution in the united states of america." Hence all the non-Ron Paul posts that are put up ALL THE TIME.

This is the hundredth time I've had to make this comment.

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This thread was not meant to

This thread was not meant to be a debate about Johnson. It was to INFORM that Johnson was included in the CNN poll and that I was allowed to record my preference for "other."

What you are witnessing with the posts below is EXACTLY why so many Ron Paul supporters reject Johnson as a libertarian. The Johnsonites just cannot handle it that people don't see things their way. They cannot accept that not everyone agrees that elevating Johnson is best for the liberty movement. Again, that is not what this thread was supposed to be about, but the Johnsonites have made it so.

So because ya'll did...I will not support for Johnson who supports "humanitarian" wars, keeping our bases in the Middle East, and possibly continuing with sanctions on Iran. Those are just neo-con lite positions. It all makes sense since his top policy guy for over a decade is now part of CFR leadership.

I will not vote for Johnson because he believes the federal government has the right to force the states via federal mandate to accept gay marriage. Marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution and the federal government has no authority to act.

I will not vote for Johnson because at one time he promoted the idea that the state should execute 13 year old kids.

I will not support Johnson because he does understand the value of life and continues to defend his support of abortion rights.

I will not vote for Johnson because he wants to implement a 23% national sales tax that would force every small business to become a federal tax collector and designate every citizen a welfare recipient.

I will not vote for Johnson because he does not understand that the Federal Reserve is a problem. He has little understanding of sound money, and no grasp whatsoever of Austrian economics.

I will not vote for Johnson because I do not believe he is a liberty candidate and I think elevating him hurts what Dr. Paul has promoted for so long.

I am glad he is being included in the polling, however that does not mean I will lie and say I am voting for him. Why Johnsonsites cannot accept that many Ron Paul supporters, lovers of liberty, and DP posters just do not agree with them is beyond me. If you are not voting how they think you should, they attack Ron Paul and DP posters personally. They are a classless bunch (with some exceptions)who will realize when Johnson gets less than 1/2 of 1 percent that they did more to push people away from Johnson than they did to win votes for him.

It's a shame you cannot even post something (that should be looked at as positive for their candidate) without a bunch of Johnson goons turning it into something negative or acting as if their candidate has been attacked.

Simply amazing.

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there goes the chance

Most of us will agree the two-party system is broken. Ron Paul is no longer in the race. Would it be worthwhile to have some other party on the debate stage?

CNN may have 400 people in the poll. Out of 400 people, assume the Dems and Reps each get 40%. That is 320 out of 400 votes already taken.
The libs need 15%, or 60, people. But there are only 80 remaining votes. After your call, the libs need 60 out of the remaining 79.
You chose other in the poll, which is equivalent to a wasted write-in vote. By doing so, you helped keep the libs off the stage and therefore you helped Obama and Romney.

I will rewrite your post:
Hey bros, the coolest thing happened today. There was a piece of gold on a leaf floating down the stream. I reached in and grabbed it, but it had some scratches on it so I threw it back. It's going to be so rad when I get a piece of gold with no scratches.

Until you get into the voting booth, do you think you could help a 3rd party get into the debates? I'm not suggesting you compromise in the voting booth. I'm suggesting you help get a 3rd party into the debates. You had something golden, and you threw it away.

Come back when you understand the purpose of the FEC.

Third parties are not allowed in the cartel.

Free includes debt-free!


If the libs get 5% in this election, they get FEC funding in the next election.

So? More government waste helps accomplish freedom?

In other words let us go deeper into debt slavery to come out free on the other end.

It's just food stamps for political junkies. Libertarian Parasites.

Free includes debt-free!

FEC funds are fixed

R and D would get LESS, that money would go to L.

Pissing money down a hole.

Rathole, Dunghole or Louse hole makes no difference.

Debt slavery is prosperity. So preaches the government.

Free includes debt-free!

Im on board

because I too am sort of sick that people think GJ is some Ron Paul resurrected. GJ Endorsed Dr. Paul. not the other way around. RonPaulRock1 believes in Our guy Ron Paul should be President and I Totally Agree. GOOD I hope this poll shows America that CNN can take THEIR picks for President and shove it sideways up there Asses! We dont run We stick to our guns, This is America!!

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

I'm pretty sure that EVERY

I'm pretty sure that EVERY Johnson supporter freely admits that GJ couldn't touch RP on the issues. Johnson himself admits this.

For all the Paul fanboys out there that hate on Johnson for all their reasons... answer this SIMPLE question.

Why did Paul say that he doesn't trust Romney (when he knows we're the most skeptical and questioning people out there) and that Johnson was wonderful and doing such a good job that we should all look at him?

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They dont want to record

Others in their polls this distorts their data. Death to MSM!

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

Their reasoning is regarding

Their reasoning is regarding guessing who will win in the future... based on the idea of people slipping back to choosing between one of "two evils".

If they're HONESTLY worried about their data... all it takes is ONE extra question.

Who do you support for president, Obama, Romney, Johnson, Stein, or Goode?

If you had to choose between Obama and Romney, who would you choose?

Simple fix for a fallacious excuse.

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we all know who is going to Win this election. all thanks to the MSM.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

A write-in for Paul is the

A write-in for Paul is the equivelant of mental masturbation.

We need to stop kidding ourselves here about there being anything magical about our voting when it's voting into such a corrupt electoral process.

When it loses its magic... it only becomes a tool and ONLY when used in a strategy with others... in which it can THEN offer real influence this election and next.

Anyone who doesn't think seeing a jump of 1% vote to 10-20% vote for a 3rd party candidate is going to say A LOT about the changing political culture given how mainstream information is now with the internet... and how that can change people's thinking about being stuck choosing between one of two evils... is nuts to ignore it.

More choice, rather than just the illusion of choice, is a good thing... and anything that promotes it and real possibility for it... should happen.

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the illusion of choice,

Its sad that the MSM have a HUGE role in electing our reps, just look at the debates. I highly doubt GJ will get into them even with a tremendous Grassroots movement. unfortunately we do live in a two party system designed by TPTB to trick people into thinking they have a choice while marginalizing those in 3rd party so no one would vote for them.

just wait and see them remove GJ off every ballot further reveling the illusion of choice between the guy you like, or the guy you dont like.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

If GJ doesn't get into the

If GJ doesn't get into the debates... I blame a large portion of the liberty movement who are being counter-productive by splitting the vote and support with HUGE misconceptions they have about A LOT.

If we organized again... we could get great positive things to happen... but there are too many willfully ignorant people here to get anything off the ground.

I've had a couple celebritarians say they liked my Gary Johnson strategy.... but I don't think they're willing to make themselves a big target like any GJ supporter ends up making themselves among fellow libertarians.

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Looking Down

Most of the post are from a who's who of Gary Johnson Trolls, . . So which one you guys is the old John Ashman?

This site, really is being Hijacked, at least they are Trying, but all im hearing from most GJ'ers is

"Blah Blah Gary this Bla blah Gary That, Im a dirty troll trying to divide and conquer"

The real people are actually interested in getting to the truth, while their is a persistant group here, that are happy to cover up or distort the questionable things with Gary.

It wont work.

I fully acknowledge that GJ

I fully acknowledge that GJ isn't a true libertarian... but I can still see that's he's not only the best of the 3 options to us, but that's he's not one of "two evils".

I also see A LOT of positive things for the country, the liberty movement, and our chances for a true libertarian in 2016 via the GOP and our takeover IF Johnson gets in the debates and has a decent showing at the polls... even if it's just compared to what 3rd parties have done in the past.

I'm not a GJ fanboy, and I'm not a RP fanboy either that looks at every chance to discredit someone with conspiracy theories and assumptions.

You're just as bad as those you're condemning. You've convinced that calling yourself a libertarian makes you any better of a person... when it's really just another chance to feel good about yourself.

The REAL problem in this country (and the world) isn't the lack of libertarians... it's the over abundance of willfully ignorant in pathological denial of themselves, their actions, and subsequent consequences... all for the sake of protecting frail egos that you couldn't even begin to understand.

Sadly... that's many of the self-proclaimed libertarians here as well.

Call yourself honest and libertarian all you like... but a good large chunk of you are neither... and because it's so rooted IN your ego... you'll go to your grave never admitting it to yourself.

This isn't trolling. It's 100% truth.

You feeling just as butthurt over it is the sad thing.

And if you're a 3rd party that's reading this response that's feeling butthurt... there's a reason you think I'm referring to you. It's because you know the truth is knocking... and you don't want to let it in.

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I am truly disgusted with the

I am truly disgusted with the comments here. You all advocate lying to get ahead? Did Ron Paul lie to get his message across? Would you respect him if he did? Lying to boost Johnson in the polls is no different than the lying the GOP did to boost Romney in the polls. Have you all really sunk that low? So, now the end justifies the means? Truly, I don't know what has happened to the people here on the DP who have sacrificed their integrity but I find it abhorrant and it makes you all no better than the GOP you condemn for doing the same thing.

Blessings )o(