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I was just polled by CNN - Obama-Romney-Johnson included.

I just received a telephone call from a pollster for a poll being done by CNN in conjunction with another organization that I cannot recall.

I was asked the standard right track- wrong track questions. There were 3 of these.

The last question, before they started the demographics questions, was POTUS. My choices were Obama/Lean Obama - Johnson/Lean Johnson - Romney/Lean Romney - Undecided/Lean Undecided. In that order.

No other presidential candidates were included. I instructed that I wanted my answer recorded as writing-in Ron Paul. The interviewer had absolutely no problem with this. I asked if my answer would be in the results even though I did not give one of the answers offered. She told me yes, that my answer would be recorded as "other".

I am not a Johnson fan and I will not vote for Johnson, but the Johnson folks here should be thrilled that their guy is being tested to see if he is at 15% for inclusion in the debates. Virgil Goode was not mentioned at all. I suspect Johnson will not be anywhere near 15% in any poll, but I wanted to report that he is at least being included.




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Your logic is the same as is

Your logic is the same as is saying that people shouldn't have lied to the Nazis about the jews hiding in their attic.

Lives are at stake here too, genius.

You better go condemn those that lied to their state parties as well about who they were going to vote for in Tampa.

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you can't fix stupid

you can't fix stupid

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Exactly...

And that is why so many of us on DP are not supporting Johnson. Thanks for understanding! :)

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You're not supporting Johnson

You're not supporting Johnson because you'd rather stroke your own ego, tell yourself you're not, and ignore the positive that would come out of supporting Johnson for the nation, the liberty movement, and our GOP takeover (including a liberty GOP nominee in 2016).

How is ignoring the potential you're helping waste so it doesn't bare down on your conscious "being honest"?

You were "honest" with the poll to convince yourself you're honest with yourself in general. Well, you're clearly not. Not if you choose to ignore the potential for good like you are.

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The MSM was trying to get RP to go third party.

A third party candidate ahs been part of the plan for over a year.

That a third party candidate was included was because it is part of the plan, not because anything the candidate accomplished.

Planning for two candidates that are so rotten than some will never vote for them requires a viable but unelectable third candidate to get out the vote that give this crappy system legitimacy.

It isn't legitimate. It is Star Search written for the political battle.

Turn off the TV!

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Horribly Stupid Answer

For shame. Think about it. Don't you understand that getting a libertarian into the debates can literaly change the world!!! In order to do that,he needs to be at 15% in three major polls. It is such an idiotic action to write-in Ron Paul. If the Libertarian Party gets a lot of votes (just 1 or 2 percent would be a lot for them) this November, that will force the Republican party to become more libertarian and attempt to absorb those votes in future elections. That's exactly what we want.

???

"Don't you understand that getting a libertarian into the debates can literaly change the world!!!"

I might understand it, but it is a fantasy at best or a delusion at the worst.

The claims are impressive but their is no evidence that such a thing would or could happen.

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TV is fantasy land

Hoping to construct something real from nothing is not possible.

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You really think that people

You really think that people focusing on trying to find the few differences that matter between Obama and Romney isn't much different than people being blasted in the face with their nation dooming similarities?

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I see three big government candidates

All want to use big government to fix government.

We have government produced shortages so let's us more government or more efficiently use government to fix the problem.

In the Soviet Story, the shortages disappeared with the government.

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"I see three big government

"I see three big government candidates"

Proof you're delusional or have your eyes closed.

Johnson shrunk state government, cut taxes 14 times, never raised taxes in 8 years, left the state with a billion dollar surplus AFTER balancing the budget... and you know what the result was? 11.8% job growth... that he doesn't even take responsibility for. He claims it was the private sector that did it.

Sounds like "big government" to me /sarcasm

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Cut so much that's great.

So where did all the money come for the new schools and roads?

Taxpayers. Or from some libertarian pixie dust.

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Cut taxes 14 times and would

Cut taxes 14 times and would end income tax if president with a system that even Ron Paul HIMSELF said he would vote for if it came up in the house.

He was able to shrink state government enough that they could still cut taxes AND afford what the state needed.

Unless you're implying that they shouldn't build roads and schools if they need them... cause if that were the case you'd figure he would've been able to cut taxes even more.

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That's right Government just screws things up.

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The constitution wasn't

The constitution wasn't anti-statist.

It was pro-small government.

The limited government with REAL checks and balances doesn't screw things up.

You're on a site "dedicated to upholding the constitution".

I think you're in the wrong place.

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You want government roads.

I want the government to follow the Constitution. Public works projects are not authorized, because governments are screw ups. There is no proof to the contrary.

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When the constitution was

When the constitution was written, 99.999% of all roads were dirt roads.

Where in the constitution does it say or imply "no roads"?

I'll wait.

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You have exposed your self.

My guess is that your either work as a government parasite. Or you work for the Banking Cartel, the only group that profits from public works projects.

The public gets stuck with the bill for a overpriced, ultra low quality project that only a muddle brained bureaucratic could appreciate.

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A Ron Paul presidency would

A Ron Paul presidency would have taxpayer money pay for roads and schools as well.

You claim Gary Johnson had "overpriced, ultra low quality" projects... but those are assumptions based on your biased stereotype.

Feel free to take the anti-state rhetoric elsewhere.

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You made that up

"A Ron Paul presidency would have taxpayer money pay for roads and schools as well."

You claim the Ron is a socialist just like GJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glvkLEUC_6Q

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No... I claim that Ron Paul

No... I claim that Ron Paul is for small government, not no government. If he didn't think we need taxes he would have said he'd get rid of all of them... when he didn't plan or say that at all.

In fact... Paul himself even said that raising a "highway tax" or "gasoline tax" was a way to counter the lack of income tax he wanted aside from the spending cuts he thought should be a first priority to prevent higher taxes elsewhere in the first place.

Not made up... when I get out of work I can find and link you to the video showing his own words.

Paul has also said that he would vote for a Fair Tax if it ever came up for vote in the house. Want me to link you to that video too?

Sorry that you hate the state so much that you don't like the truth I'm offering. I'm also sorry that the exaggerations you're making about GJ being a socialist also then imply that you think Paul himself is one as well... by your own biased and exaggerated standards.

Let me know if I have to waste my time making you feel butthurt with the truth. Want the videos or not?

ALSO, if I give you these videos... you have to put "RON PAUL IS A SOCIALIST!!!?!" in your signature to show how two-faced you've been with your lack of understanding of where they both stand on the issues :D

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My hate of government is justified.

I have no idea how GJ justifies his support of the government.

The difference is that Ron Paul is removing the governments crutches slowly so that the economy can pick itself up a get running again.

GJ seems to think that government is a means to unknown ends. That is Socialism.

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Paul isn't for removing the

Paul isn't for removing the government. He's for a smaller and less intrusive government.

You're trying to make Paul out to be something he's not. He doesn't share your views of government overall. Paul thinks government's gone too far... but he doesn't want to scale it back to what you want.

Please feel free to cite your sources that prove GJ thinks "government is a means to unknown ends".

I'll wait for the evidence you won't have.

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FYI

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/

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The "warmonger" title is

The "warmonger" title is exaggerated and his statement regarding our military men and women is misconstrued.

The privatization of roads and highways there is a THEORY.

Just because someone realizes that we might be able to do that doesn't turn what we have now into straight up socialism.

And again, Paul never said he would privatize it... so you end up implying that Paul himself is just as much of a "socialist" as GJ.

You really think you're sticking to your principles?

What if you don't even understand your principles?

Something you haven't considered...
http://www.dailypaul.com/253833/conflicting-principles-sabot...

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What the Heck?

You had the opportunity to help get a libertarian into the Presidential debates, and you seriously chose other?

Do you realize that they only poll several hundred people making your poll vote significant?

Well at least you didn't go against your principles to save your principles... Ugh.

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Just wrote

Just wrote this
http://www.dailypaul.com/253833/conflicting-principles-sabot...

Funny that I didn't see your comment... I love that.

"Well at least you didn't go against your principles to save your principles... Ugh."

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Facepalm

...hey OP, do whatever you like, but I think you wasted an opportunity. I see more value in getting a libertarian into the debates than in the symbolic gesture of casting a vote for Ron Paul that ends up as "other."

Honestly, what's the point?

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nice

throwing both your vote and random polling away for someone not on all 50 state ballots this year (oh wait hes not on any even). at least you didnt vote obamney, oh wait you did with the mathematics behind this process. obamney dont care if you dont vote, or if DO vote in 2012 -> that you vote for obamney, they care if you vote for that other guy actually in the ring with them. its like rooting for your team when they aint even in the superbowl, while at the superbowl (except in reality rooting actually is voting and increases their score). way to go, for liberty...

He answered his consience, even if you or I disagree - that's

not "wasting" or "throwing away" your vote.

That sort of thinking is what gave us this mess.

That sort of thinking is why 3rd parties have such a hard time.

Too many people stuck on the stupid of the "wasted vote" or that a vote for one candidate is really a vote for "another" candidate. How absurd.