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Johnson Says Troops Over There Are "Keeping us safe."

"Our thoughts and our gratitude are also with the amazing men and women of our military who are putting themselves on the line every day to keep us safe." - Gary Johnson, Sept. 11, 2011

http://race42012.com/2011/09/11/gov-gary-johnson-statement-o...

Kowtowing to the cruel lie that is keeping us in chains. No, Gary, blowing Iraqi babies to bits and bombing Afghan wedding parties is not keeping us "safe." This is a fundamental part of the Ron Paul Revolution.

What's next? We need to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here? Civilian casualties are unfortunate but unavoidable?

Political courage is for every day of the week, not for when no one is watching and waiting to jump down your throat. When millions were watching is exactly when truth-tellers like Ron Paul tell us that they don't hate us for our freedoms...they hate us "because we're OVER THERE!"

See: "blowback."

You cannot defend the war machine and be a Libertarian. War is the enemy of liberty.

""Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few." James Madison



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This thread is ridiculous

"Our thoughts and our gratitude are also with the amazing men and women of our military who are putting themselves on the line every day to keep us safe."

Whether or not we need military personnel in other countries to keep of safe, these people are certainly "putting themselves on the line every day" in the hopes of keeping us safe.

Do you actually want him to bash soldiers?

Thank you for instructing us on how to read this statement

...now go tell that to boys who hear "keeping us safe" and join up because they want to be a hero. Then they find out they are ordered to act like pathological monsters in order to survive. Tell that to their mothers when they hang themselves in the garage after months of telling people they can't talk about what they did over there.

Tell that to Iraqi mothers whose kids died when that soldier lobbed a grenade into their room because he didn't know what was in there, and he was SCARED.

Keeping us safe. Bulls**t

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Gary Johnson opposed the Iraq war from the beginning

There's no Iraqi blood on his hands. Stop lying about what Johnson says or supports.

Calm Down

You're picking at nothing.

Ron Paul is also grateful for those who are keeping us safe, and does his very best to help them when they return home, in gratitude.

Do you have a problem with that?

Obviously, he's not grateful to those who are making us worse off, and killing babies (at any rate, I hope he blames those responsible, not those who have no choice).

If you have a point about the relative wisdom each man has about war and peace, make your point. However, the quote above does not prove anything.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

You think the invasions of Iraq and Afghanstan are

"keeping us safe?" Do you even know what website you are on?

Release the Sandy Hook video.

You're lashing out at people

You're lashing out at people who are simply grateful to the soldiers who are put in the line of fire by their superiors? Calm down and think for a second.

He's grateful to them, but realises thier being over there -

only motivates the U.S's enemies and provokes attacks on her and her allies, aka blowback making us less safe...

There has been an extreme amount of vitriol posted

on here without a single piece of verifiable evidence.

I have seen 4 pieces of evidence that support GJ as an anti neocon and none whatsoever that support him being a neocon.

Please post up your verifiable evidence that Johnson is a neocon or holds neocon views.
(Kony is a minor issue so don't bother about that.
GJ's views on Iran would carry far more weight.)

I have not seen enough evidence to form an opinion on Johnson yet.
We all know he is no Ron Paul.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

GJ wants to wage the Kony war?

http://hegemonicobsessions.com/?p=772

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
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"I am the door." -Jesus Christ

I'm voting ONLY for RON PAUL.

I'm voting ONLY for RON PAUL. RON PAUL is the ONLY True Stateman that NOT FOR SALE.

OMG why is the dailypaul

OMG why is the dailypaul getting so STUPID!!!! EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE WHO IS VOTING FOR GARY WOULD MUCH RATHER VOTE FOR PAUL!!!! Everybody here knows gary is about 100 times worse than paul!!!! We also know gary isnt going to win even if every single ron paul supporter voted for him, but in order to make more people aware of liberty he needs to have a good showing. Dont forget people like Rush, Beck, Nader, even Barr have led many here to ron paul. Ask around a lot of people will tell you "yea i heard glenn beck and kinda liked him but he led me to ron paul" then they got totally woken up. This is the same thing AWARENESS! Voting for virgil goode or writing in ron paul or staying home does ALMOST absolutely nothing, voting for gary johnson may not make a huge difference but it will do alot more for progressing liberty minded ideas and get an even bigger base of liberty minded people for 2016. I swear posts like this are just the establishment trying to get ahead of the 2016 game and damage more of our base instead of letting it grow.

agree!

ditto!

I agree. I was much more impressed with the intelligence of the

average Ron Paul supporter before.

I have never seen such a big bunch of babies who can't seem to grasp the big picture.

Writing Ron Paul's name in might void your ballot. It will certainly not be reported in newspapers and will, at best, be seen as an OTHER - like people who write in Daffy Duck. You and THEY will be in the same category.

If you agree that the two party structure is wrong then show it. Vote Libertarian.

Gary Johnson is by far NOT the perfect candidate but he isn't going to win anyway. But by voting third party you can prevent people from thinking that two corrupt parties speak for all of us.

There is little difference between having ONE choice as in the old Soviet Union, and having TWO choices provided by the same ruling banksters in our country.

But if thats all we request - that's all we will get.

Don't simply assume Gary can't win

If Gary grabs a few states, say NM and CO, he could deny a majority of 270 to both Romney and Obama. The NEW house will then have to decide who is the next president. Requires 26 states to win.

If we send enough liberty candidates to the House, it can happen.

IF YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE WHITE HOUSE, CONTROL THE CONGRESS.

Very well put

nm

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

We shouldn't confuse the

We shouldn't confuse the troops and their intentions and the intentions of the politicians and generals who use them.

Err.....it was a generic

Err.....it was a generic statement about the troops (that would have included those in South Carolina or North Dakota) and did not include the words "over there." If have to make things up, you don't have a very strong case.

Did you read the quote, the guy sounds like GW Bush

"The fight against those who would do us harm continues today, and it is a fight we must carry out with the same determination that was so magnificently displayed by the heroes of 9/11."

This is anti-war, really?

The gravity on planet Johnson must pull the brain in every direction he walks.

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Could Johnson have been talking about Cheney

and not Islamic militants?

Either interpretation is possible.

It is also possible but a very big stretch to interpret the statement thanking the troops for "keeping us safe" may be a reference to :- they might be needed to protect us from our own government.

Where will the troops loyalties lie if Obamney declares Martial Law and orders the troops to open fire on unarmed demonstrators?

Would it not be wise to keep them on the side of Liberty and their Oath to protect America and the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic?

I don't believe the one above myself.
But it is more credible than the Op-ed.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

GJ TROLL: "Come on Paulites, let's get along." AKA..

"Let's mooch off you and demand you worship our new cult leader."

"If you fail to do so we will constantly berate you (you Romney Supporter) and spam, spam, spam, the forum."

"No Mod will stop us since we infiltrated the rEVOLution online, mwhwahahahahaah!"

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Why do you have to call names?

Vitriol will only beget more vitriol.

Have you ever tried to start a civil conversation in person where you started of by saying - "Hey you dumb, lying bastard, listen to what I have to say" - for example. A statement like that wouldn't garner anyone much respect, and although your language is less intense, it is still immediately offensive to the audience you're trying to communicate with. You seem to be operating on anger rather than genuine love for liberty.

I will probably get accused of being a GJ troll

by someone for trying to gain an understanding of his positions, policies and track record.
Knowing this site.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

This seems a fairer more balanced write up of GJ's FP

http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/04/gary-johnson-on-for...

I do not agree with his position on Israel.
But then again it would lose votes to say something else.

My position on Israel.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/israel.html

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

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YOU LIE!

Why are you twisting what GJ said? Love him or hate him, please don't put words into his mouth!!!

I read the statement that you linked to and GJ did not say that the troops OVER THERE are keeping us safe. Those words were ADDED by YOU. What I read is: he said that our Military keeps us safe. As a veteran myself, I would have to agree with his statement. Saying this does not say he supports their mission.

Additionally GJ mentions nine-eleven, but never says WHO attacked us. He said "Liberty" was attacked and I happen to agree with that statement also (and I think it was an inside job).

Libertarians support the national defense of the United States - since it is Constitutional. Right?

Please Stop Lying.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

GJ is a total necon, can't manage the budget of a poor campaign

He could never lead by example, never mind manage the budget as President. Nor can he deny how much he is for Israel, globalism (aka communism), and 'humanitarian' wars.

I can't believe I'm trying to convince someone named 'robot' from the military.

Is that scary or what?

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Trolling?

Are we?

You are correct and the headline in the op-ed is lying

The correct quote is in the text in the op-ed.

So someone is trying to spread some propaganda that is immediately contradicted in the first line below the Headline.
If you are genuine the author of this thread should immediately correct the headline.
The author then continues to spout propaganda that cannot in any way be gleaned from the contents of the linked article.
(I do not know if there is any other evidence to support the comments made. If there is, the author should use that evidence and not use the link included.)

GJ's statement on 9/11 is very carefully worded.
He makes no mention of WHO attacked America on 9/11.
There is no doubt America was attacked.

He is also very careful to avoid saying that the military stationed abroad are keeping us safe.

The statement in full from the linked article in the header :-
“As we all pause this weekend to remember the events of September 11, 2001, our thoughts are with those who lost their lives, those who saved so many lives, and a nation that showed its greatness in countless ways. 9/11 and the days after were a time when ordinary Americans did extraordinary things. Our thoughts and our gratitude are also with the amazing men and women of our military who are putting themselves on the line every day to keep us safe. The fight against those who would do us harm continues today, and it is a fight we must carry out with the same determination that was so magnificently displayed by the heroes of 9/11.
“America is about liberty. Ten years ago, liberty was attacked. To those who lost their lives and those many more whose lives were forever changed, our deep obligation is to insure that liberty prevails not just today, but for generations to come.”

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Thankyou for pointing this out

I was just about to go and find out about GJ.
I now know this op-ed is pure propaganda without a shred of evidence.
If the author has evidence to back up her assertions she should post it in the header. At the moment there is none.

But someone else on here posted up this vid, which if it truly represents his views I could support.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnkH2mIb2V0

So I will investigate further.
Still reading the very helpful comments on this thread (the vast minority).
Arguments for and against GJ.

My 4 main positions.
Anti neocon
Anti Federal Reserve and the current banking system.
Anti Washington DC corruption.
Pro Bill of Rights (and therefore pro v limited Fed government, balanced budgets and zero Fed income taxes)

They all go together, they are all part of the problem/solution.

I don't know where GJ stands on ending the Fed.
If he believes it should be ended but it is not a vote winner in having it as a main plank, I could understand that position.

I also don't know where he stands on the endemic corruption in DC.

So what is the truth about GJ's positions?
I do not know at the moment.

Ron Paul will always be no 1 by far for my support of his policies.
But he never did get his message across in a way that would appeal to the great majority of the electorate. He didn't even try to.
So maybe we need someone who is more of a practical politician.

But unfortunately Gary Johnson also, has not started his campaign in the sort of practical way required to appeal to mainstream voters.
I have sent him my suggestions.

I haven't formed an opinion on GJ yet.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

The troops might believe they

The troops might believe they are keeping us safe, but that's not the case. In the course of violating their oaths to our Constitution, by being there, they are causing more blowback and making us less safe.

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