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Johnson Says Troops Over There Are "Keeping us safe."

"Our thoughts and our gratitude are also with the amazing men and women of our military who are putting themselves on the line every day to keep us safe." - Gary Johnson, Sept. 11, 2011

http://race42012.com/2011/09/11/gov-gary-johnson-statement-o...

Kowtowing to the cruel lie that is keeping us in chains. No, Gary, blowing Iraqi babies to bits and bombing Afghan wedding parties is not keeping us "safe." This is a fundamental part of the Ron Paul Revolution.

What's next? We need to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here? Civilian casualties are unfortunate but unavoidable?

Political courage is for every day of the week, not for when no one is watching and waiting to jump down your throat. When millions were watching is exactly when truth-tellers like Ron Paul tell us that they don't hate us for our freedoms...they hate us "because we're OVER THERE!"

See: "blowback."

You cannot defend the war machine and be a Libertarian. War is the enemy of liberty.

""Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few." James Madison

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john2k

Hey there,
Just stopping by to point out http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00005906 - It seems they 'get it' a little more than the average Rombamabots. While I understand, more than most, the frustration with the wars, I hardly understand the posts I read here on the DP that demonize the troops.
While many of them couldn't actually participate in the campaign, they overwhelmingly threw their money at it. I even met a few who only signed up because they knew if the numbers were low enough they would draft their neighbors [at gunpoint] anyways.

Also, realistically [once you're knuckle-headed enough to join] refusing deployment will land you a dishonorable discharge [making it near impossible to find a job after], loss of all 'entitlements,' & possibly fines. It is very easy to judge that decision from afar, when the consequences do not effect your family directly--but, I suppose their sins are there for you to judge.
While these occupations & murders are, indeed, very wrong, there are better places to aim your frustration, especially if you're not actually doing outreach to the troops to help educate them on the Constitution.
Remember, in the case of the majority of military ranks--junior enlisted--trust in their superiors, for surviving that sh!tstorm & everything else that comes along with it, is drilled into them. Trust is a must. Unfortunately, many do not think to question that the entire system has been rigged against them in the evil way that is has; nor does it matter once TSHTF, they have other things on the mind.
The American people standing up & refusing to let our military be pawns of the NWO is as important, if not more so, then pointing out how stupid & wrong they are.

I deployed & I am active in the veteran circles at my University. Happily I can say I have yet to meet any of our nations' vets/AD that would actually say their deployments have had anything to do with 'keeping America safe,' again, they get it more than most. Although, I don't doubt there are some out there; I think that it is because of their time in the military that many vets I know have come out having swallowed the red pill, & fully awake to the tyranny that is now plaguing this land. As for most of our American men deployed, the ones I knew & know want out of that sh!tstorm - for some, their lives depend on it.

You're right, though, in your sentiment. We--Americans--and myself included, need you--yes john2k, you, I really do implore you--to educate the troops on the Constitution & their oath to not follow unconstitutional orders.
Thanks to Dr. Paul & the pursuit of truth he inspired, I left the 'service' & joined OathKeepers to help on this mission.

"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting."
George Orwell

We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
-George Orwell

I understand that members of

I understand that members of the military overwhelmingly supported RP by voting with their wallets. They supported RP far more than any other candidate & all of them combined.

In regards to there being "better places to aim my frustration," that's not what I was doing with my reply... I was not aiming my "frustration" (whatever you mean by that) anywhere. I simply took a few seconds to post a simple truth and in a small way maybe will have a positive impact on others who might read this discussion in the future.

However, in person I often talk to friends/family/neighbors who recently joined or are considering it. My last conversation with a friend's cousin was the following:

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Q: Why did you join?
A: To get away from my mother. (she literally said that).

Q: Who decides when the US goes to war?
A: The President. (She was unaware that Congress is the only branch of our government with this specific authority under our Constitution)

Q: (After educating her why her last answer was wrong & having to show her the text of the Constitution to prove it because she did not initially believe she was wrong) Were you required to swear an oath to the Constitution?
A: Yes

Q: Did the Army educate you in our Constitution during your training before requiring you to swear an oath to it or did you study it at all since you are sworn to obey it?
A: No. That's the sort of stuff we learn in school.

Q: Did your school do a good job teaching you about the Constitution?
A: (After thinking a moment about our conversation) No, not at all.
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I have conversations similar to that probably a few times per year, what you might consider a small bit of outreach.

Regarding the dishonorable discharge for not obeying orders that require soldiers to violate their oaths to our Constitution... oddly enough, that would be an honorable dishonorable discharge. What could be more honorable than having the integrity to actually abide by an oath that you make. AFAIK, the UCMJ even obligates soldiers to disobey orders that they know to be unlawful (which includes constitutionally unlawful orders). An order to carry out warfare without a declaration of such war by Congress IS unlawful under our Constitution. Although I understand that this type of real honor is deemed unworthy by the current system. They just want it to look good on paper and in recruitment videos. For those who fear the consequences of truly abiding by their oaths, I suppose that is understandable.

The treatment an honorable soldier would receive for actually disobeying unlawful orders and abiding by his oath to our Constitution is similar to what Ron Paul described in the following quote: "Dissenters who tell their fellow citizens what is really going on are subject to smear campaigns that, like clockwork, are aimed at the political heretic. Truth is treason in the empire of lies."

If you got the impression that I'm anti-military / anti-troops in any way you could not be more incorrect. I just wish that more of them would simply wake up and become aware about how things truly are.

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I would be interested in reading about that

if I were over at the Daily Johnson. But I'm not.

No doubt, I'm sick of this GJ crap

His supporters should start their own site. No more GJ pro or con. Damn, I just broke my own rule!

If GJ can't be discussed, all

If GJ can't be discussed, all that is pretty much left on this site is Granger's Team Romney/Rand and assorted birther and truther posts.

Look up Mike Nystrom's

Look up Mike Nystrom's opinion of Gary Johnson. If you do, you might find you're trolling the wrong site.

I cannot find anything like that written by Michael on here

do you have a link?

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Gary Johnson is a CLASSIC neocon and heres why

anything anti conservative.
campaign spending. GJ campaign is in massive debt and owes millions to unsuspecting Americans who want to be paid by the campaign but will never be. No diff then newt, Bachmann, Cain, Pawpaw, Daniels..etc etc.. all left the stage owing millions, esp Newt.
These Americans who are unsuspecting venue holders advertisers or staffers/campaign help will never be paid. classic sig of a neocon..
spend spend spend, never worry over debt.. as long as its spent on yourself or your friends, leave the righteous hard workers to be owed money..
next.
Bragging about balancing NM budget while taking $2.45 BACK for every dollar that state sent in. (speaks for itself)
next.
believes in "humanitarian" intervention overseas..aka, "bringing them democracy", "keeping us safe" etc etc etc.
next.
no real budget.
next(classic neocon action)
mooching Ron Pauls message, then not knowing what the constitutional link is for that message.
This is a classic neocon trick. Pick up Pauls message then look like a buffoon when the neocon is asked why he holds said position.
and last but not least...
the tell tale sign of a full fledged neocon..
a neocon can flip parties with no sweat off their backs.
GJ could just as well be a dem.. There is nothing about his platform that is any different then BO or MR.
GJ could be blue or red.
Thats the biggest sign GJ is a neocon.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

If you could provide links to backup your assertions

it would be much more helpful and credible.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

God knows Johnson has a his

God knows Johnson has his flaws the word "neocon" becomes meaningless when used in such promiscuous terms especially for a man who opposed the Iraq War from the beginning and has hammered hard for bringing home the troops. The genuine neocons, however, probably love your broad-brush approach because it only serves to divert attenton from them.

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neocons.
Joe Lieberman
susan collins.
olympia snowe.
rockefeller
graham
mccain
mcconnell
feinstein
boxer
cornyn
KB Hutchison/

GJ could be anyone of them and takes positions all of them have, together or one by one.
Only one is a traditional conservative republican, all the rest are neocons and i spelled out why GJ is a neocon giving 5 examples which you ignored.
Tom Delay was the king of neocons and tried to unseat Dr. Paul in 2005 by going against precedence and splitting districts. Toms was the district next door to Pauls and many did not know that.
did you know the rove, bush, harris, delay, neocons sat right next to dr paul for thirty years and couldnt unseat him?
I smell neocon in Gj and it is BLARING AND BLATANT in YOUR FACE NEOCON! Im srry but you cant tell me about neocon.
I know one when I see one and i knew with in 1 min with GJ and so do many others.
And for those of you who post all the wonderful things(1 thing) Paul has ever said about GJ, just remember he says nice things about Gingrich also who brought the entire texas delegation against dr paul in 1995 and had all of them endorse dr pauls primary opponent. a dem turned republican no less.
and they all went along with newt and stood against dr. paul.
like 30 of them i think.
paul beat them spending lessmoney then the election before and won more of the vote just like we expect from a true conservative.
GJ is neoconservative. I listed 5 reasons why above.
Newt tries to take pauls message just like GJ does. Their problem is they dont have his morals which only paul ties them all together in a perfect bow. Neocons cant do this, they lack morals. GJ is prochoice and immoral.
reread the above post please. 5 undisputable reasons GJ is neocon.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

As my understanding of how the world worked grew from 2000

I was first anti Goldman, then anti Fed Reserve and the entire banking system, then anti neocon, then anti crony capitalism.

Then I found Ron Paul at some point in 2002.
It seems he is still the ONLY politician in the whole world that I can wholeheartedly support.

Justin Amash is next on my list for support.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

If they are protecting us then we leave them there?

If some troops are protecting us then more will protect use more.

The Troops protected us from nothing. They died for nothing.

Free includes debt-free!

Johnson says in the FreedomWatch i/view

and on his website that he is for immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan.

He also questioned why the US still has 75,000 troops in Germany, 30,000 in Japan and the troops in Korea.

Haven't seen anything about his position on other military bases yet.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

You think GJ would bring us

You think GJ would bring us closer to liberty or further from? I honestly believe closer. You think Mitt or Obama would bring us closer to liberty, or further from? Easy answer, I'll be voting for Johnson. RP is and always will be #1 in my book. GJ isn't perfect, maybe even corrupt. Do I believe he would pull the shit that these 2 current front runners will pull? hell no

One world, under government, with power and money for the elite

You guys really do belong in an insane asylum

You speak as if you really believe GJ has the remotest possible chance of winning. Wow. Just wow.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

well then y'all better start running

for office or the liberty movement is dead.
with the standards set up by ron paul purist looking for another ron paul to pop up the movement is as good as dead. if "wonderful" gary johnson who is "doing a good job" and rand paul are not up to your standards then the liberty movement is in serious trouble. that pretty much leaves you with judge napolitano (not running) and maybe justin amash in the future. and that's it unless you have someone else in mind? give me their names and i'll vet them against ron paul, gj and rand and see who matches up best.

“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato

people who i like and support in the movement......

Ron Paul (De facto leader of our leaderless movement)
Rand
gary johnson
peter schiff
tom woods
adam kokesh
Jesse ventura
judge nap
amash
alex jones
luke rudowski
ben swan for mayor
free staters
and many more

unfortunately most of those people don't live up to the ron paul purist standards or aren't currently running for office. time to put your money where your mouth is and run for office and let us vet you!

how can we expect the gop to have a big tent for us when our teepee can only fit ron paul and one or two others in it?

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So you are saying liberty

requires those seeking it to participate in a criminal enterprise that strips them of their liberty? Do you not get the picture? No one with a libertarian POV will be allowed in any kind of position that will conflict with the Progressive imperialist NWO paradigm. They rubbed that in our faces by illegal, corrupt rule changing at the convention and rampant, blatant, completely ignored cheating throughout the campaign. There are rules and laws for us, but ZERO for the little foxes.
Achieving liberty through the state will never happen. It is living by the sword. It is a distraction, a diversionary tactic.

Yes! An individual can be free and brave.

Or be a government parasite in a parasitic government.

Government cannot create any public good. Government enslaves and liberty is the only public good.

Free includes debt-free!

Your post says nothing. Explain please

what you mean, exactly HOW you will stop them from just changing the rules again when you attempt to strip the state of any power by using the state apparatus itself.

We can;t change them or overpower them.

We can choose to be free or we can join their criminal activities.

Pretty much how Dr. Paul lead us to where we are today.

Free includes debt-free!

Pretending one has an affect when one doesn't.

Pretending one has a political affect when one doesn't is delusion.

Spreading the message of liberty is always a winning proposition.

Free includes debt-free!

you are free to do nothing but

“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato

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Plato was a bit of a statist, wasn;t he.

Plato seemed to think that the Philosopher Kings may need to lie to the people for their own good.

Telling them to support politics, might have bee one of those lies.

Spreading the message of liberty is not nothing.

If we can spread the message of liberty as work locally then we can have affect. No matter what we do it won't be televised.

I am not against being politically active, but voting for national candidates is largely waste of time. If someone can prove otherwise, I'm game. I can from choose up to four oathbreakers or one of two big government advocates.

There are a couple of local candidates I am supporting.

Free includes debt-free!

No you see,

what we do is, Take our lives back into our own hands, We dont NEED anyone to lead us, WE ARE NOT SHEEP, Only sheep need to be lead.

All we have to do is stick by Ron Paul's principles, and Work to End the Fed. . Only when the monetary system is uncorrupted will things then change drastically for the better!

Ok.......

"No you see, what we do is, Take our lives back into our own hands, We dont NEED anyone to lead us, WE ARE NOT SHEEP, Only sheep need to be lead. All we have to do is stick by Ron Paul's principles, and Work to End the Fed."

And how does one end the Fed? By wishing really hard? I'm fairly sure the Federal Reserve Act needs to be repealed by Congress. Now, I can't vote in Congress, can you? No? Well then, we need to elect someone who can. Some might call such people we elect "leaders."

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

No, You do like we have been doing for the LAST 5 YEARS

You continue to educate, and tell people about Ron Paul, you dont put all of your effort into some SHILL who does not even UNDERSTAND how the Fed works, and if he does, Then he really is a SHILL, because it is not one of Gary Johnsons main goals to end the Fed.

And at the moment, YOU SHOULD BE PRESSURING THE SENATE TO PASS THE AUDIT BILL

http://www.dailypaul.com/253526/audit-the-fed-video-update

This is the entire problem, people are thinking abuot GJ and not the FED, the entire reason to get Ron Paul into Power was to END THE FED, Educate the People, Let them know what real Freedom is!

You continue to educate

i agree and this includes educating people like gary johnson along with everyone else including congress.

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You

educate the people.

The People in general have to understand Freedom, otherwise IT WILL NOT WORK!

Response

"You continue to educate, and tell people about Ron Paul"

Uh, how does telling people about Ron Paul lead to the Fed being abolished? If enough people hear about Ron Paul, will the Fed magically vanish in a puff of green smoke? Only politicians can abolish the Fed, by repealing the law, and so if you want to abolish the Fed, you have one option only: elect politician who will abolish the Fed. "Telling people about Ron Paul" does not do this, since Ron Paul is not running for office anymore.

"the entire reason to get Ron Paul into Power was to END THE FED, Educate the People, Let them know what real Freedom is!"

Correct. And that no longer makes any sense because we cannot get Ron Paul into power because...drumroll...he is not running for office.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."