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Johnson Says Troops Over There Are "Keeping us safe."

"Our thoughts and our gratitude are also with the amazing men and women of our military who are putting themselves on the line every day to keep us safe." - Gary Johnson, Sept. 11, 2011

http://race42012.com/2011/09/11/gov-gary-johnson-statement-o...

Kowtowing to the cruel lie that is keeping us in chains. No, Gary, blowing Iraqi babies to bits and bombing Afghan wedding parties is not keeping us "safe." This is a fundamental part of the Ron Paul Revolution.

What's next? We need to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here? Civilian casualties are unfortunate but unavoidable?

Political courage is for every day of the week, not for when no one is watching and waiting to jump down your throat. When millions were watching is exactly when truth-tellers like Ron Paul tell us that they don't hate us for our freedoms...they hate us "because we're OVER THERE!"

See: "blowback."

You cannot defend the war machine and be a Libertarian. War is the enemy of liberty.

""Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few." James Madison



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The Principles of FREEDOM AND LIBERTY WILL BE MY GUIDE TO LIFE,

And you Disagree why?

STFU!

O boy

I don't disagree, I am trying to impress upon you that educating people doesn't do squat if it isn't coupled with political action. Moreover, political action is the best way to educate people, as Ron Paul has stated and demonstrated. And so then the question is, what political action? Or, in other words, who to support? Specifically, the issue at hand is: who should we support in November? I think Johnson, obviously you disagree. Fine. I just want to hear a coherent reason for not voting Johnson, but all you seem to give me is rant after rant about how RON PAUL IS ALL I CARE ABOUT AAARRRRRGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...I guess I'm just going to have to accept that you're an unreasonable person and leave it at that.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Tis difficult to talk practicalities, pragmatism and

common sense to those who don't want to think clearly.
Which applies to too many people on here.

I agree with the great majority of what you have said in your comments above.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

??

"Fine. I just want to hear a coherent reason for not voting Johnson, but all you seem to give me is rant after rant about how RON PAUL IS ALL I CARE ABOUT "

Ok, Here's one, That I can not budge on, He supoprts the KONY 2012 Movement and war in Uganda. Idiot.

And here is the main one, He does not Focus on the Federal Reserve, and has not stated he wants to End the Fed.

TWO HUGE REASONS NOT TO TRUST HIM, thats the other thing I simply dont trust him.

Im sure you have seen many posts about this, yet you act as if you have not a clue of what I am talking about.

Whatever, I have enough of talking to ignorant Idiots.

Let me remind you that Political Action CAN NOT take place, Unless the people are educated, Ron Paul was a congressman for 12 terms, without support, Only now because of many of us being educated, has he been able to make change.

If you are trying to tell me that our main focus should not be about educating the People about the Fed and exposing the corruption that has taken place, then I simply see you as a fool.

The chances of Gary Johnson winning

are probably about 1 in a million.

The chances of getting into the Presidential debates are a lot better, but still a huge long shot.

Do you not want Libertarian views aired during a Presidential debate on National TV?

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Yes

Get him into the debates, but dont look at him as the next leader or as anything like Ron Paulm because he is not.

I believe GJ is a red herring.

Meh

As I've been saying, you hold up Ron Paul as the measure by which to judge Gary Johnson. Johnson comes short? You don't say? /sarc

...the point is that he would advance the cause, that he is acceptable as a spokesmen for the next few months, not that he is perfect, or a replacement for Ron Paul. If you don't see that a successful political campaign by Gary would help us (whether he wins or not), you're blind.

I have nothing more to say.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Yep I agree

anyone other than Ron Paul will not be perfect, but he is not running.

If by some miracle Johnson was actually elected, do people not think that he would have Ron Paul in some capacity in his administration?

Ron Paul could then advise on Foreign Policy, the Fed and anything else where Johnson has shortfalls.
It would be debateable if Ron Paul's arguments would win out as GJ would have the decision.
But Ron Paul would definitely be influential in whatever capacity he was used in (even if it was just special adviser).

So the arguments by the other poster are irrelevant and/or superfluous or do not hold much water.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Meh??

To ending the Fed, and supporting KONY 2012?

Are you serious, all you want to know is some legitimate reasons I have, I give them too you, and then you scoff and say, Err Ahh Well Just supoprt Gary Johnson anyway.

I can not support or PROMOTE ANYONE who ever supported KONY 2012, or does not want to END THE FED!

NON NEGOTIABLE

My point is that he could KILL the cause!

the "cause" now is to chip away at the duopoly

most of us are now rowing in that direction...people like you are dangling your feet off the back of the boat and complaining that we are going too slow.

learn the distinction between capitulation and sacrifice.

Next

"I can not support or PROMOTE ANYONE who ever supported KONY 2012, or does not want to END THE FED!"

Yes, I am aware that you are the epitome of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

My "meh" did not express lack of interest in the Uganda and Fed issues, but increasing lack of interest in talking to you.

"My point is that he could KILL the cause!"

And my point is that you have no rational basis for this belief, none that you've presented anyway.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

The Fact that

He wont end the Fed, and supports Neocon wars, is enough to KILL the movement.

Having who I beleive is a Puppet, at the helm of this movement, would kill it.

""I can not support or PROMOTE ANYONE who ever supported KONY 2012, or does not want to END THE FED!"

Yes, I am aware that you are the epitome of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good."

Good?? Kony 2012 is dispicable, Not Ending the Fed, means NOTHING will change. Your statement is false.

Neocon Wars and Monetary Corruption are pretty much the two biggest issues at play here.

You might as well vote for Obama or Romney then if you are not going to stick to your principles.

Whos the Tyrant

That down voted me, You dont believe in Freedom and Liberty? Why the hell are you here!

For the record...

...I didn't downvote your post above. I did, however, downvote this one.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Neocon?

As another poster asked earlier, define Neo-con and then list how Gary Johnson meets that definition.

To me, if you buy into the idea that the wars

are about terrorism, and think the troops are "keeping us safe," you are either a duped neocon or a slick talker like Rand, and who knows WHAT slick talkers will do once they get into office.

Johnson might oppose the wars for financial reasons but apparently, he has bought into the bogus rationale for being in the Middle East in the first place.

He also said he stood by comments to the Weekly Standard the he might support waging war for humanitarian reasons, saying he would not "sit idly by and watch something like the Holocaust go down." He also stated that while he thought drone attacks create more enemies than they kill, he would not necessarily stop the drone attacks against Pakistan or Yemen, leaving all options on the table.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Jo...

First

You explain to me, How supporting the KONY 2012 Movement and wanting to create another War in Uganda, DOESNT make him a Neo-con.

Plus, if you dont understand what a Neo-con is, then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HERE?

You must not be a Ron Paul supporter if you do not understand what a Neo-con is.

DYOR!

What positions of Gary Johnson's are neocon in nature?

Ending the middle-eastern wars? Cutting military spending by 43% (more than Ron Paul)? Closing military bases all over the world? Are those neocon positions? Instead you focus on his suggestion that "volunteers" go and take out some bad guy. Name another presidential candidate that has a better foreign policy.

Uhhhh, did you miss the elephant in the post before?

First you explain to me, How supporting the KONY 2012 Movement and wanting to create another War in Uganda, DOESNT make him a Neo-con.

And when it comes to this
"Ending the middle-eastern wars? Cutting military spending by 43% (more than Ron Paul)? Closing military bases all over the world?"

You know who else spouted that stuff when running for president, G W Bush.

Seems like lip service too me.

Why should I trust that ANYTHING Gary says, he will actually at least try to follow through on? Why should I trust him, or you?

I trust Ron Paul!

What did Ron Paul say about Gary Johnson? “I think he’s wonderful and I think he’s doing a good job..."

Are you against a president issuing letters of marque and reprisal? It seems that Johnson's view on Kony is more in line with that than the invasion and occupation of a country, as is so loved by neocons.

KONY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE US

Why the hell do you need to go over there anyway?

Sort your own shit out.

Sounds like your a Neocon too, and you prboably dont even realise.

You go to war, you issue letters of Marque and Reprisal, WHEN YOU ARE ATTACKED.

You dont go and start wars, with the reaonsing "if we dont fight them over their, They will come to get us here!"

Thats Neocon BS!

Politics are about

Politics are about perceptions and the MSM will perceive GJ as a libertarian, thus our message grows in the main stream and government takes notice of us. End of line.

The question you need to ask yourself is:
Do you want the main stream to see "other" on the CNN tallies or "Libertarian Ron Paul like candidate Gary Johnson" on election night?

Thank heavens another pragmatist

We are too few.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

The same media who sold Obama

The same media who sold Obama as a "constitutional scholar?"

Yes and they voted for him.

Yes and they voted for him. Duhh.

The people want peace, do you think that would be good if they realized there was another avenue for that other than the democratic party that failed to deliver?

An excellent point

:)

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

You're Looking At This Wrong

I don't entirely agree. Ron Paul does not advocate that our government sit back and let the terrorists kill our own people because our policies motivated said attacks. That's absurd, and certainly not the defense of our liberty.

Are you seriously suggesting that if terrorists are coming to kill U.S. citizens, that the U.S. government does not have a Constitutional or moral right to defend the liberty of it's people from their attacks?

No, you need to think this through more.

Ron Paul's position is that our foreign intervention does not "JUSTIFY" MURDEROUS TERRORIST ATTACKS against us, but that such attacks are merely to be expected, foolish for our government to pursue because they create unintended consequences down the road and are not constitutional.

Ron Paul also supported the Afghanistan war but there's a vast difference between the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Ultimately it depends where our troops are stationed and who're their fighting in order to determine if they're defending our freedom.

Although I will agree that politicians say that way too often and to such a degree that it makes me sick to my stomach. Some American kid dying in Iraq is not dying for our freedoms. He's probably dying to preserve tyranny, and that's just ugly.

Ron Paul's position is that US intervention overseas

encourages the lunatics to attack the US.

Which is 100% correct.

He has mentioned blowback on numerous occasions.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Inexcusable

Damn these bloodthirsty neocons!

And nuts to all of you who support Johnson and his "Libertarian" War Machine. It's absolute hogwash and an insult to your intelligence if you think you can EVER get freedom while attacking innocent people, stealing their oil, oppressing whole nations, and calling it "liberation." What we wish upon others we will bring on ourselves, it is all ONE military-industrial complex rising over us,

Disgusted that this site has gone pro-Johnson, pro-war. You FAKES.

LOL

..keep constructing that strawman.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."