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Johnson Says Troops Over There Are "Keeping us safe."

"Our thoughts and our gratitude are also with the amazing men and women of our military who are putting themselves on the line every day to keep us safe." - Gary Johnson, Sept. 11, 2011

http://race42012.com/2011/09/11/gov-gary-johnson-statement-o...

Kowtowing to the cruel lie that is keeping us in chains. No, Gary, blowing Iraqi babies to bits and bombing Afghan wedding parties is not keeping us "safe." This is a fundamental part of the Ron Paul Revolution.

What's next? We need to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here? Civilian casualties are unfortunate but unavoidable?

Political courage is for every day of the week, not for when no one is watching and waiting to jump down your throat. When millions were watching is exactly when truth-tellers like Ron Paul tell us that they don't hate us for our freedoms...they hate us "because we're OVER THERE!"

See: "blowback."

You cannot defend the war machine and be a Libertarian. War is the enemy of liberty.

""Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few." James Madison




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Gary Johnson wants to end the wars!

As another poster asked earlier, define Neo-con and then list how Gary Johnson meets that definition.

As I said above

If you think the wars are really about terrorism, and think the troops are "keeping us safe," you are either a duped neocon or a slick talker like Rand, and who knows WHAT slick talkers will do once they get into office.

Johnson might oppose the wars for financial reasons, but apparently, he has bought into the bogus rationale for being in the Middle East in the first place.

He also said he stood by comments to the Weekly Standard the he might support waging war for humanitarian reasons, saying he would not "sit idly by and watch something like the Holocaust go down." He also stated that while he thought drone attacks create more enemies than they kill, he would not necessarily stop the drone attacks against Pakistan or Yemen, leaving all options on the table.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Jo...

Not sitting idly by

does not mean invading or bombing or drone striking.

Further clarification of what GJ means by this would be helpful.

Even Ron Paul said - we have 12,000 diplomats, it's time we started using them.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Terrorists Want To Destroy Life and Liberty As Well...

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE. Ron Paul does not advocate that our government sit back and let the terrorists kill our own people because our policies motivated said attacks. That's absurd!

Are you seriously suggesting that if terrorists are coming to kill U.S. citizens, that the U.S. government does not have a Constitutional or moral right to defend the liberty of it's people from their attacks?

No, you need to think this through more.

Ron Paul's position is that our foreign intervention does not "JUSTIFY" MURDEROUS TERRORIST ATTACKS against us, but that such attacks are merely to be expected, foolish for our government to pursue because they create unintended consequences down the road and are not constitutional.

Ron Paul also supported the Afghanistan war but there's a vast difference between the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Ultimately it depends where our troops are stationed and who're their fighting in order to determine if they're defending our freedom.

The title of the post is a LIE!!!

Johnson did not say "over there". Those words were added by Sue4theBillofrights.

Take an English class and

Take an English class and learn what quotations mean. You are just another example of a Johnsonite who attacks people personally for talking about Johnson's positions.

Ron Paul 2012 - It's Almost Here!

The heading is a bare faced lie.

The correct quote is in the next line down.

These facts are indisputable.

I haven't seen anything to back up the basic theme of Op-ed yet.
Still trying to sort out fact from fiction.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

"Johnson Says Troops Over There..."

Is that what Johnson said?

Brent Hartman YOU LIE!

Sue4theBillofrights does not have "over there" in quotation marks. "over there" as written, is implied by Garys pandering.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

What was the title?

"Johnson Says Troops Over There..."

Is that what Johnson said?

After we invaded Iraq Bush said "They came to our shores

looking for war and war is what they got" in order to connect Iraq with 9/11. He never said "Iraq." But that is exactly what he meant. Don't come here trying to lawyer your way our of what your candidate said. You are treating Paulers like they are stupid.

You elitist LP Trotskyites thought you would run circles around us to meet your re-qualification numbers for party status the easy way, but you wandered into a room full of heavyweights and got your ass handed to you.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

You are being disingenuous

If you had better evidence to back up your whole op-ed you would have posted links to it.

Where is your evidence?

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Where else are the troops

Where else are the troops than over there? Was he referring to the police state?

Seriously?

I live a short drive from Ft. Leavenworth. There seems to be some military looking people around there. Would you say that military training is safe? Is jumping out of airplanes safe? Is rappelling out of helicopters safe? Is the Marine Corp obstacle course just your average walk through the park? Is rescuing fisherman in high seas safe? When was the last time you jumped into the ocean during a hurricane to rescue a boater?

It looks like you are

It looks like you are grasping at straws at this point. Sorry, but Im not completely sold on Gary. My spidey sense doesn't like how certain media outlets oddly pushed him so hard and bashed Ron Paul at the same time. There are plenty of like minded liberty people out there to get equally excited about.

Over there is not in the quotation marks. And it is implied

because there is nowhere else military is fighting and "putting themselves on the line every day" but "over there."

Remember?

You Johnson guys have not learned that Paulers are waaay smarter than your typical political junkies, you can't pull your lawyer crap here.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Nowhere else, eh? Is that true?

So the Coast Guard doesn't risk their lives everyday to save Americans? Would you say that military training is safe? Is jumping out of airplanes safe? Is rappelling out of helicopters safe? Is the Marine Corp obstacle course just your average walk through the park? Have any military pilots died in stateside training accidents?

I have to say, I'm waaay amazed at your level of intelligence!

Your arguments are far more credible

than Sue's.

If she had evidence for her assertions why hasn't she posted up links for them?
There is zero evidence for what she is saying so far, except for this Kony business which I haven't looked up yet.
Kony is hardly a compelling case, when Johnson might be against antagonizing Iran (sanctions or bombings).

What is Johnson's position on Iran?
Trouble is in the current climate it is a vote loser to say you are against Iranian sanctions.
Are there any hints on this?

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

They squirm

OMG THIS IS HILARIOUS. What a show!!! After all the dissing of Rand who has said nothing but anti-war rhetoric (like at the official Paul rally), all their holier than thou BS is now crumbling beneath them. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Throw this baby out with the

Throw this baby out with the bathwater.

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. -Galileo Galilei

Don't think he meant

Don't think he meant it..
Everything is analyzed when you're a politician and I don't think that he put so much meaning behind it.

"Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear." - Benjamin Franklin

oh, and . . .

was he in the military?

What do the 'troops' THINK of him?

hmmmm--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

bumping with anxiety--

I wasn't going to vote for him anyway, but YIKES!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The "keeping us safe" meme is believed by a lot

of young men who join, who then find out it has nothing to do with keeping us safe. Then they come back and blow their brains out because they feel they have been turned into monsters.

Old men lie, young men die. Johnson is just another one of those old men who will lie when it gets more applause, instead of telling the hard truth, like Ron does over and over.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

I agree--

.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Give me some evidence for your assertions

you have given none so far.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

the evidence is in GJ's words--

he said it; he perpetuated the lie--

he didn't even serve in the military--

he doesn't know; if he did, like Dr. Paul, he would speak the truth--

but he can't, so he just perpetuates the lie.

How much more evidence do you need?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

If it makes you feel any better-Gary Johnson isn't going to win.

He isn't. No way no how.

But this isn't about winning (with Ron Paul it was, but not Johnson, for us anyway). This is about showing the two party system that we want Libertarian values.

And even if Gary Johnson is far from perfect he is still much closer to our Liberty values than Romney or Obama are - so guess what - you will never have to worry about Gary Johnson being a President war monger. Because he isn't going to win.

Now you just have to worry about Romney and Obama being war mongers. Because one of them IS going to win and they are both war mongers.

Yes

that sums up nicely how I feel at the moment.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Where's "over there" in the following quote?

"Our thoughts and our gratitude are also with the amazing men and women of our military who are putting themselves on the line every day to keep us safe." - Gary Johnson, Sept. 11, 2011