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A call for unity between Paul supporters and Johnson supporters.

I have seen the war between Ron Paul supporters and Gary Johnson supporters and I think it is rather silly that people in this movement have such a hard time following Ron Paul's advice. It is pretty simple to me.

We can not force our goodwill on anyone, we can only set good examples and hope people wish to emulate us. --Ron Paul

My suggestion would be that if you support Gary Johnson, fine support him. That is what freedom is. If you support Ron Paul, fine. Most of us here do support Ron Paul and have for several years. If you support both fine, but lets stop eating our own.

The goal should be to grow the liberty movement not divide it. Great movements are always destroyed from within, not the other way around.

I have seen the arguments from both sides and many statements are misguided. The whole notion that some claim they are turned off on Gary Johnson because Johnson supporters are trying to cram Johnson down your throats is the same excuse where many called people that didn't support Ron Paul sheep because, those people claimed they wouldn't support Ron Paul because Ron Paul supporters tried to force Paul on them. Do you see how silly that argument is?

How can anyone force anyone else to support someone?

My suggestion would be if you are not going to support Johnson fine, don't result to name calling of Johnson supporters, this makes you no better than the people that did the same thing to Ron Paul that pisses us off. Talking to people in a civil manner goes a long way, insulting them is counter productive and will accomplish nothing more than to isolate people that may share many of the same things you support.

You may not like the people you are working with, they may not like you, but we are all supposed to be working towards the same goal. So why don't we start with the things we agree on first and worry about the rest later?

Michael Badnarik said this best: We agree with each other about 98% of the time on most issues but, we spend 98% of the time b!tching, complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on, this is why nothing gets done, and he is correct!

You don't like a post? Don't read it, it is easy to ignore posts and comments. You don't have to agree with people but you do need to find a way to work together to grow the movement and attempt to effect real change this country needs or we will accomplish nothing. Take the high road and let freedom work for a change.

For the record I have not given my support to Gary Johnson although I did spend some private time with him at Paulfest in Tampa because I was paulfest staff and had access to Gary. My vote is just that MY VOTE! I will not tell others what to do with their vote -- please don't tell others what to do with theirs. Set good examples and educate them in a civil manner, you will win more people over that way in the long and short term.

If we continue down this US vs THEM attitude we only divide our numbers even more. I prefer to follow Ron Paul's example of integrity and I hope you will as well.



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At 3:50 in the a.m. I gotta say my ultimate wish -

that Ron Paul announce he's running on an Independent ticket. My other post to this article I said I wish RP would endorse Gary Johnson, but only because I heard more than a few videos where Ron Paul said he had no intention of running if not nominated in the Republican Party.

My thought here is why can't we put pressure on Ron Paul himself to run Independent. America is out of time, and supporters here are head tripping like crazy, driving me nuts. Ya know, George Washington didn't want to become president either, from what I read. Anyway, so RP lost to Romney, big deal, it was rigged from the outset, and we let them get away with it, oh yeah I forget, libertarians do not raise their fist to defend themselves.
Why can't we voice a strong united idea to Ron Paul that he run Independent. He would automatically have more than 5% of the votes, easily enough to get into the debates. After all this time, more Americans are aware of Ron Paul and with less candidates RP would get more air time and do very very well, especially as the two despicable main contenders are looking more like obvious criminals each day.
Ron Paul can still win this contest. He should be in this race. Any thoughts to push him into the ring?

Ron Paul Continuing

My take on this is Ron Paul could have won the nomination if not for the corruption of the establishment status quo RNC. But since he lost the nomination, he has to look to the future of the Liberty Movement. His son, no matter what you might think, is a Trojan Horse that he cannot jeopardize. he came out as best as he could, according to his principles, to endorse Gary Johnson. I believe that Johnson would step down whether Ron or Rand were to try and run in 2016. Romney sure would not do the same. We need to step back and consider our future with the r3VOLution and put Liberty in front of our personal beliefs. Liberty would be better than Romney or Obama and 2016 is only four years away. Search your soul, listen to Ron Paul's words and make your decision according to your gut feelings along with facts in order to make an informed decision for yourself. Just quit down voting my posts as I am just trying to move the Liberty message forward the best I see fit.

Based on the votes and comments.

It looks like divide and conquer worked. No resolving this situation now, remind me to send Jessie a Christmas card. Mark my words "keep your principles and write a check for your own slavery." Some of you will understand this.

I know what you are driving at

This is not the best forum to discuss Gary Johnson anymore. It is a great place to post some information on where to go to get the stuff though. Other forums will probably be a lot better at resolving our divisions. Then we can post our conclusions in say a Gary Johnson area ,sub topic, or something. Johnson supporters have abused the site and driven so many away from Johnson that to continue using it as we are is not productive. Too many using the site as say ….a campaigning tool since June, that is hurting Johnson more than he probably knows or would like. I urge you all to listen to this blog radio show CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVES UNITE…..for the past week or so. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/conservative-talk-radio1/2012/0...
Please listen to the September 5th broadcast as best you can (4 hours). This Newt Gingrich group is making a solid effort to unite Paul, Santorum, Gingrich, Romney , and even Obama supports into a third choice. Newt has been on trying to get them to vote for Romney and they will not. The plan is to get Gary, Virgil and other 3rd party candidates to come on an discuss issues and platforms that can be supported by the majority of us;…. to weed out and iron the divisions and problems so that people will leave the two party fiasco and join us. The Republican Party destroyed the Whigs and we can do it again. This particular segment brings up our division here on the Daily Paul and why we don't like Johnson. The biggest one is the pro-life and pro-interventionist views he holds. The Gingrich people are opening to Johnson Libertarian Party , because it is more established than the Constitution Party, but they do not understand it, and are not sold on Johnson as many of us are not. This particular segment has some thoughtful Paul/Johnson people on it who are better at uniting us because they understand why we are fleeing Johnson here on the Daily Paul. They understand the differences of the libertarian Party and Gary Johnson and can help inform democrats and republicans…etc . Fellow Christians and pro life people in particular. The Daily Paul is best left to spreading and fighting Doctor Paul's message for people who are now starting to research him not the Libertarian Party. I appreciate your effort Neverquit, but you were part of the problem too. Maybe we who were offended because we couldn't get Johnson's supports to wait till after the convention.....now we have lost the needed faith and trust Johnson could have had. PaulFest, as great as ,it was for the spreading of Liberty was also part of the problem. I understand your frustration and agree time is short and we can really NEVERQUIT. WE ARE NOT ENEMYS in the end and we can not let this movement die.

BlogTalkRadio

I just want to ask, is the lower IQ sound to this guy on purpose for comedy relief? It is hard to listen to this. I have been considering starting my own show in order to get the Liberty message to people with an entertaining twist to it, but I do find it hard to find the time. I am in sales and I make pretty good money at what I do and would be taking a huge pay cut in order to do the show I would like to do. I am still considering doing this at some point and if I decide to, I will let everyone know. If I thought I would get enough support, I would start earlier in my spare time and even though my wife and I do not have a lot of personal time, she says for me to do this, she would handle the extra time away from each other, she is wonderful.

I agree with the original post here

Reading the comments on the Daily Paul is starting to feel like listening to my kids argue. It's a real drag.

I'll be voting for Gary Johnson. No, he is not Ron Paul. Choosing him is an imperfect option, but it's not a horrid one, and it sends the message I want to send this election. I'm comfortable with it.

If you're not, that's fine. I get it, and it wasn't an easy choice for me, either. But it would be nice if those of us on each "side" could debate this intellectually without all the throat-cramming. It hurts the cause of liberty all around.

good comment. reasonable

good comment.

reasonable people who are either going to write-in-paul, or vote-gary-johnson, that show respect for each other are rare.

blessed are the peacemakers.

Down Votes?

I am starting to believe that it is time for me to give up. I have been a full on Ron Paul supporter for a long time, battling with the sheeple on every site that I could find, spreading Ron Paul's message everywhere, to no avail, with some, as they refuse to wake up, only to come here and find that Ron Paul supporters are no different!!!!!!!!! If you want me to hang up my fight for Liberty, then instead of just down voting me, have the courage to tell me to Fu## off and I will.

Should I give your comment a down vote because I disagree?

:)

I've been tempted to write the same (i.e. I quit), probably 4-5 times in the past two days... perhaps in response to you once!

I certainly don't want anyone to leave. Sorry if any of my comments have been snarky (I do that), or personal (I don't think I do that!).

I've started and aborted probably 20 replies and 3 new posts in the past couple days. Usually, that is a sign that I don't have a grip on what is bothering me about a subject. I do think the 85% vs. 100% thing woke me up to what my issue with GJ is - Ron Paul has made me stubborn! Now that I understand my issue with GJ, I can move on to overcoming or accepting it.

Step back!

This is not about you, it's about the conflict between GJ and RP supporters.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

Step Back?

I am feeling a little unappreciated here and I feel maybe I can be more constructive in Freedom Works Tea Party. I have been a member there longer than here. I studied Law and Politics in college and had a high GPA in my studies. I understand the political system and saw the aspects of our political system when it comes to a third party, it is very difficult to get on the national stage to make a difference. It takes fortitude from the masses in order to accomplish anything in that realm. If we are to gain any momentum, we need to get solidarity from everyone on this to keep the rEVOLutin in high gear. If Ron Paul was still in it, I would not even mention Gary Johnson, but I do not see any other alternative at this point and time. I believe Gary has a lot of principle in his mindset, and I believe that if he was elected President, by some miracle, and Ron Paul wanted to run again in 2016, Gary would step aside for him. That is the principle that he would follow. I mean, he said if Paul would have won the nomination, he would stop campaigning in order to support the good Doctor. Watch his video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrU6hTWyj6s
If this video does not open peoples eyes, I do not know what will.

upvote

take it easy, you're not alone.

When I said step back, I really meant time out

So that you can breathe a little more easily and realise that the world isn't as cruel as it seems. Sorry for not being clear on that ^^';

Thanks for your efforts!

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

The eternal skeptic within me

The eternal skeptic within me says that Johnson didn't expect Paul to win the nomination - so, he benefited by saying he would drop out to support Paul at no cost. An easy gamble to make.

But - like I said, I am a huge skeptic of anyone. I joke with my wife that God himself could come and tell me this or that and I would still have to consider it ('What does God really want?').

About Me

You guys have seen my posts in the past, and I have always been a steadfast Ron Paul supporter. I have not posted on her vehemently, but have been fighting battles on "The Blaze" trying to turn them around. I have been responsible for waking up a few, but the vast majority on that site are hard core Republicans that cannot see the forest for the trees and I just gave my farewell post the other day as it has become futile to try and turn them. I only post on here when I read posts that I do not agree with, or when I want to make a point. Do not discount my support for Ron Paul as he is my guiding light, and if he had not said that Gary Johnson was wonderful, I may have leaned a little away from him. Ron Paul will not endorse a Presidential candidate as he believes it is up to each individual when it comes to the highest office in the land, but him saying what he said about Gary Johnson, is enough to make me look at him in a serious light.

It's never too late to wake up.

IF somebody can get into Gary Johnson's ear, do it.

Heck, I would vote for AL GORE if he broke down and started telling people the truth. I'd embrace him like a brother if he would just start teaching people about fiat money, debt scams, carbon taxes, the modern eugenics movement, and how certain people are attempting to engineer a Malthusian catastrophe. I'd take a bullet for him if he would just explain what happens when you let somebody start calling debt money.

It's not enough to hate the fed. It's not enough to want a politician printing fiat money rather than a banker. It's not enough to turn your back on the unborn and call it liberty. It's not enough to fight the symptoms of a disease instead of pointing out the cause.

Gary Johnson just isn't enough for me. Sorry.

Just know I'm not going anywhere, and I'll never give up the fight.

Eternal vigilance

This argument has been going on for months, and everyone

acting like they must be Libertarian to the nth degree: I can't tell anyone how to vote. Well, if Ron Paul would open his mouth and say he endorses Gary Johnson, and say it as often as possible as I suggested weeks ago, by now we would all be spouting the same mantra: Gaa-ry Gaa-ry! I really wish RP would not play this prissy crap. He must know what a difference he could make endorsing Gary Johnson. Maybe someone got to him; I do really love Ron Paul but I'm angry and frustrated.
What the hell, how much more of a Ron Paul clone can you get? Wake up! We don't have four more years. America will be toast within two. At least if we are united around Johnson, it will bring more Americans over to the Libertarian side and wake up millions more, and we will need a leader, someone in the race with a face to show the world when the shtf. Think about it, it's easier to get excited about a movement when you're pushing for someone, a live human, not just a philosophy. Rallying around Johnson makes it real. What's the alternative, not voting, or voting the lesser of two evils which to my mind is voting for Obama as there is no way in hell I would vote for Romnuts after all he pulled in Tampa, not to mention the entire campaign. Ugh, how it disgusts me to no end.
I'm voting for Gary Johnson - I see no other libertarian who's as far out front.
If we begin money bombs for advertising we can make a serious dent. He does not have to win, but we need more Americans to wake up so when the collapse comes, and after a few weeks of protesting and increasing violence, we will then hear from those who side with government, and then the Civil War begins. And that's why we need more Americans now, because we are outnumbered. I personally don't give a damn if Gary Johnson wins or not, but we need forces so we persevere, we survive as a country, and there's enough of us remaining to carry on the Constitutional/Libertarian movement.
To hell with everyone - I'm screaming for Gaa-ry, Gaa-ry 'til it's over and beyond ... while I continue wearing my Ron Paul stickers.
God bless all libertarians, it's gonna be a rocky road ahead.

What If?

Look guys, What if Richard Gilbert (Lawyers for Ron Paul) could do as he said and get charges filed against Romney for election fraud and receiving foreign money for election purposes? What if this can be accomplished, and we put all our support behind Gary Johnson to get him in the debates? We would at least have a candidate in the debates that would be talking about freedom and if Romney gets booted, I believe Obama would lose to Johnson at that point. That is positive thinking anyway. It is a long shot, I agree, but what if? Let us not throw a Liberty candidate under the bus just because he is not Ron Paul. If Ron Paul was to announce that he is running third party? All my posts become moot as I would instantly jump on that wagon. However, we cannot wait for that to keep the rEVOLution continuing. Please, search your soul and think like a Patriot for Freedom. That is all we have right now. Everyone should be e-mailing Richard
Gilbert to force him live up to his words.We can do this. What the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve

Alright, that's it! I've had it w/all you stubborn, crazy bozos!

My mind's made up!

I am gonna be writing in Carol Paul! .o)

LOL!!!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I think I know where the resistance comes from!

As I remarked below (and someone generously gave me a neg!) - Ron Paul didn't vote 'Yes' on bills that were 95% Constitutional... or 97%, or 99%. It was all or nothing.

I believe this steadfastness has rubbed off onto many of us that are so resistant to the Gary Johnson pushers.

The Gary Johnson folks keep telling us 'He is 85% Ron Paul' (and I think he is more like 54% - but I digress).

Might this be the cause of much of the resistance?

Can't we come up with a platform and ask Johnson if he will adopt it? I would consider him then.

Too true!

We have grown into people of integrity and principle.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

Yeah, but when the ship is going down,

I say grab something to save.

Wake Up

I cannot believe I am saying that to a Ron Paul supporter!!! Read my posts below and start thinking about the future and what it can hold and what we can lose.

So - settle for 85% is what you want?

We shouldn't try to bring Johnson around to 100%?

You know, we could be spending our time outlining the beefs some of us have with GJ - and ask him to respond and see where it goes.

Instead - I have 85% crammed so deeply down my throat I'm gonna puke.

85%

Well you can puke if you want, but honesty is honesty. I have said it before and I will say it again. If a candidate moves their positions to the right , center or left in order to gain your vote, they are lying to you. I will take 85% of a Liberty minded candidate any day rather than him lying to us to change what he believes in his heart. Honesty! Have you not learned anything from Ron Paul? There will probably never be another Ron Paul in our lifetimes, unless by some chance Ron Paul decides to run again. Are you wiling to die waiting to vote for another Ron Paul? I am not.

If I vote...

Im going to vote for Gary in November. The man has bent over backwards to show respect for Ron Paul and bring us into the fold, and I was impressed with his attendance at Paulfest. I dont want Obama to win, but the GOP told us all that they dont need our votes. All Romney had to do was treat our people with respect- but the RNC just couldnt do that.

Besides, in some ways, Romney might be worse than Obama. He'll probably cut taxes for the rich, and raise taxes on the rest of us. They'll cut food stamps and increase spending on the empire. I want a more libertarian society- but Im also concerned about the priorities that Ron Paul talks about. Cut corporate welfare/foreign aid, first- not child healthcare for the most vulnerable

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Post on Yahoo and other news forums

My opinion is that we should keep on posting on yahoo news forums and other forums as well. This way people outside the Daily Paul will start waking up and realizing there are other options.

I have not seen any Gary Johnson posts on these forums. I have seen plenty of Dr. Pauls comments. People read the comments sections and it is a great opportunity to make them realize there are options other than Republican/Democrat.

This is one of the best posts I've seen

Here and it really brings home the important argument of liberty.

A lot of people have disparaged people here for voting for Johnson or Romney or even Dr. Paul.

One point, this is the Daily Paul. And people have been downvoted for saying they will vote for Dr. Paul; which I think goes against the very grain of the website.

But also in keeping with Dr. Paul, we shouldn't downvote other people who want to vote for other candidates. I think that's ridiculous and I have in fact enjoyed reading "The shazad" (sic?) the ROmney supporter and I think him or her was actually being respectful and such. Or even The Granger who I have been reading for about a year. A most devout Dr. Paul fan, and have seen her get slammed by people not in her shoes. And then the Johnson supporters always get slammed, again; this is the Daily Paul, but I think Dr. Paul would like people to vote their choice.

I will never vote for Romney though. But that's my choice. And I think we should all get a choice. I choose Dr. Paul.

In any case, it's ONE person. Lets move towards electing people from the ground up and start a new party or fix one or all parties.

Just like the thread says. Unity.

I choose Dr. Paul and I choose everyone have their own right in casting their own vote without prejudice.

Writing in Ron Paul

I understand your thinking, as I have been professing writing in Ron Paul's name for quite some time now, but, after the serious election fraud that we witnessed from the RNC, I cannot imagine them not taking those write ins and giving them to Romney. I believe it will be a little bit more difficult for them to give Johnson votes to Romney (although I could be wrong on that), however, I believe there would at least be some type of paper trail to look at voting for Johnson rather than a write in for Ron Paul. Believe me, it pains me to say that , but I believe that is reality at this point. Read my post below and give me feedback.

I really do like your reasoning

Good stuff!

With great respect comes great freedoms.

The same level of fraud is perpetuated in most elections, even at the lowest level like running for PTA. "Honestly we like you here in the PTA but we think you should run for School Site Council."

I think honest people and paper ballots are the answer. Obviously our delegates voices mean very little.

Honestly I haven't done enough research on GJ to cast a vote for him. I think my research at this point should focus on people on the local level. Ones who aren't owned by big banks.

But I don't think liberty loving people should infight at this point in time.

We know who TPTB are and we know the truth.

The way I see it is we have two choices, and not between politicians.

Either we become politicians ourselves, or opt out. And that's a tough decision to make.

I think I can sway a few classic liberals to vote for GJ. But the classic liberals are angry. I don't think I will do so myself (vote for GJ) but I figure a few votes away from Romneybama is a few votes away. I think any vote away is good.

I know one person who voted for Paul in the primaries did not get their vote accounted for. That person was me.

I don't like that line a vote for so and so is a vote for Romney or Obama. It's not true. A vote for so and so is a vote away from BOTH and it's for that candidate. I live in a state that allows write in votes.

It seems Dr. Paul does like GJ. I'll give anyone that. Pretty sure I will still write in Dr. Paul but I don't dislike anyone else who votes otherwise. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

One thing I was really bummed about was my boss was going to vote for Dr. paul in the primaries but didn't vote at all because he said he couldn't win. Then he said he didn't like Romney either.

Then he watched Romneys speech (which was almost plagiarism) at the RNC and now he likes the guy because of one speech which had a bunch of Dr. Paul's stuff in it. It seemed to me like Romney and ilk latched onto Dr. Paul's enthusiasm and perhaps even his speechwriters and is now riding on it. I don't like that. But if someone wants to vote Romney that's their own business. Maybe I could sway him to vote for GJ, but he's a neocon (in his own mind) for the most part (not GJ, my boss)

Anyways now I think my boss is pissed at me for political reasons. Normally I never mix the two but when my boss tells me he really likes "that Ron Paul guy" I had to jump on it. A lot of the speeches at the RNC were slithered by snakes though and he fell for them hook line and sinker. I told him I really liked the speech by Rubio but he talks out of two sides of his mouth and I think he didn't like that. Actually he told me he really likes Rubio.

So yep I like whomever wrote Rubio's speech but not a fan of Rubio and I'm sure Dr. Paul has speechwriters as well. My faves are his off the cuff stuff in Congress where he gets all ticked off and starts stuttering and talking really fast and furious. I realize that a lot of people don't like that and the media may have seized upon it but it's real and unfettered and wonderful and what we need. People say he stutters and hoots and hollers but I do the same and I'm in my 30's.

The status quo doesn't work any more.

In any case I like your post.