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A call for unity between Paul supporters and Johnson supporters.

I have seen the war between Ron Paul supporters and Gary Johnson supporters and I think it is rather silly that people in this movement have such a hard time following Ron Paul's advice. It is pretty simple to me.

We can not force our goodwill on anyone, we can only set good examples and hope people wish to emulate us. --Ron Paul

My suggestion would be that if you support Gary Johnson, fine support him. That is what freedom is. If you support Ron Paul, fine. Most of us here do support Ron Paul and have for several years. If you support both fine, but lets stop eating our own.

The goal should be to grow the liberty movement not divide it. Great movements are always destroyed from within, not the other way around.

I have seen the arguments from both sides and many statements are misguided. The whole notion that some claim they are turned off on Gary Johnson because Johnson supporters are trying to cram Johnson down your throats is the same excuse where many called people that didn't support Ron Paul sheep because, those people claimed they wouldn't support Ron Paul because Ron Paul supporters tried to force Paul on them. Do you see how silly that argument is?

How can anyone force anyone else to support someone?

My suggestion would be if you are not going to support Johnson fine, don't result to name calling of Johnson supporters, this makes you no better than the people that did the same thing to Ron Paul that pisses us off. Talking to people in a civil manner goes a long way, insulting them is counter productive and will accomplish nothing more than to isolate people that may share many of the same things you support.

You may not like the people you are working with, they may not like you, but we are all supposed to be working towards the same goal. So why don't we start with the things we agree on first and worry about the rest later?

Michael Badnarik said this best: We agree with each other about 98% of the time on most issues but, we spend 98% of the time b!tching, complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on, this is why nothing gets done, and he is correct!

You don't like a post? Don't read it, it is easy to ignore posts and comments. You don't have to agree with people but you do need to find a way to work together to grow the movement and attempt to effect real change this country needs or we will accomplish nothing. Take the high road and let freedom work for a change.

For the record I have not given my support to Gary Johnson although I did spend some private time with him at Paulfest in Tampa because I was paulfest staff and had access to Gary. My vote is just that MY VOTE! I will not tell others what to do with their vote -- please don't tell others what to do with theirs. Set good examples and educate them in a civil manner, you will win more people over that way in the long and short term.

If we continue down this US vs THEM attitude we only divide our numbers even more. I prefer to follow Ron Paul's example of integrity and I hope you will as well.

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Gary Johnson vs. Ron Paul

I am at odds of why so many are against Johnson as he is 85% Ron Paul, and Ron Paul when asked about Johnson he says, "He is Wonderful." All that Ron Paul is Gary Johnson is except on the issues of maybe abortion, and Johnson has said that if people make that the only principle in whether they vote for him or not, he will not get that vote. Honesty! Well, I can tell you that his views are not mine when it comes to abortion, I think on the same level as Ron Paul. At least Gary Johnson draws a line at the viability of a fetus. But, if you make that the only reason, you are selling Liberty down the drain. Is Romney's or Obama's view on abortion more to your liking? If so, are their views to Individual Liberty more to your liking? At least Gary Johnson believes in Ending the FED, Ending the IRS, Bringing the Troops Home, Fiscal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, Ending the War on Drugs, etc.... Sounds pretty much like Ron Paul. The other problem is Gay Marriage. Gary Johnson believes that Individual Liberty should be there for everyone regardless of your sexual preference. I do not see a problem with that as long as he is doing it for freedom principles. The RNC and the DNC have shown us in both conventions that they are oblivious to the voice of the people when they passed rule changes against the nay's of the delegates. Both parties are showing us that it does not matter to them what the people want, they will do what they want regardless. The way to show our disdain is to vote a third party in order to send a clear message to both that we are "Mad as Hell and we are not going to Take it Anymore!!!" We need to spread this to everyone everywhere to follow this train of thought in order to stop the socialistic madness that has gripped us for so long. Vote Gery Johnson, let us start a money bomb that would make Dr. Paul proud for Gary. We need to do this in order to show the establishment that the rEVOLution is alive and well, and we are coming after every last one of them!! Let us do this!

So, while in Congress, Ron should have voted

So, while in Congress, Ron should have voted for bills that he agreed with 85%?

????????

Look, you either vote for Liberty, or you vote for socialism. Which do you prefer? I would have loved to see Ron Paul the nominee. I would have partied all the way to the general election, but we must face facts if we are to consider ourselves reasonable, responsible people. When it comes to a Liberty Candidate, all we have left that can be on the ballot in all fifty states, is Gary Johnson. That is IT!! Get with the Liberty movement. Even Dr. Paul would tell you that he was just a catalyst for this movement, it was not about just one man, but a wake up call to all who believe in FREEDOM!! We have what we have. No candidate, except Ron Paul, is perfect in our movement, but he himself has said he is out for the present. Who is left? Do you want Romney? Do you want Obama for another four? If not, spread the word for the only viable candidate for Freedom that we have. It is the only way at this point. In War, you make plans on attack, but the inevitable happens, your plans get altered with counter attacks. You have to be able to move with the punches and reconfigure your options and attack back with a new plan if you want to win the war! We have lost a few battles, but the war is still raging! We must win the war, or our children and grandchildren will suffer immensely!

Whomever is

Downvoting Pro Paul Comments or Pro whatever comments are likely not liberty lovers.

Rise above. I upvoted everyone's comments to level things out.

Grow in union, not division. Don't let it bug you. I've never downvoted anyone. One thread I did downvote once but it was because it was meant to be downvoted in by the thread's writer itself.

Upvote!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes!!!!!!!!!!

Let's say Johnson gets into the debates...

Let's say Johnson gets into the debates...

Will he not be billed as 'the new Ron Paul' - or 'carrying the banner for Ron Paul'?

Millions of people that don't know better will judge our movement on Gary Johnson and his positions.

There are vast differences. Abortion is one. They will be asked and Gary will say "I am personally pro-choice, but that is a state issue." Yes - as dwalters will quickly point out 'but he says it is a state issue - same end result as Dr. Paul' - but in people's minds will be GJ = Libertarian = Ron Paul = Pro Choice.

Gary has more problems - interventionism and war. Again - he does not hold Ron's positions... but again GJ = Libertarian = Ron Paul = Interventionism is ok sometimes in millions of minds.

And let me say - If Ron thought GJ was such a great move for the movement - he shouldn't say 'people should look at him' - he should be out there actively campaigning for him... If he didn't like some of GJ's positions, shouldn't he talk to GJ and say - 'you are wrong on these issues - if you can see my way, my army may follow.'?

Yes - I know Ron tends not to promote individuals. But he certainly has... I've received many emails from the campaign asking me to support this or that Liberty candidate.

The real problem here is, far to many people have made

Ron Paul their GOD, instead of the simple polititian he really is. For many they will have a hard time moving on without him.

The Winds of Change!

I agree... I have been on the

I agree... I have been on the record for complaining of GJ stuff... but it was only because it was too soon and I wanted to keep the RP movement flowing until after the RNC. Well, it is after the RNC and we should ALL vote for GJ. Do not write RP in. It won't work... we have to be unified as a whole....

Do you all realize that if everyone who claims to be a RP supporter voted for GJ... he might actually win!? However, if everyone wrote in RP - he wouldn't. Many states don't count write-ins PLUS we all have seen how votes get lost. A write-in is sure to get missed.

I say we all vote for Gary. He isn't my first choice, Doctor Paul is... but I rather have my second choice than either Romney or Obama. Stay unified!!!

I am not willing to blindly follow a blind leader

for the sake of blind sheep and unity. We are all individuals and this is about individual liberty. Telling us to vote for him for unity and fear reminds me of Newt Gingrich saying we will vote for Romney because our only other choice is Obama. Writing Ron Paul in works for many of us. Voting Virgil Goode works for many of us. same with Johnson. Let us discuss issues and not men....You can say lets vote for Gary, but sorry that just doesn't get my vote...I understand your frustration.

It's nice to read some common sense once in a while!

Thank you!

The Winds of Change!

You are welcome. This

You are welcome. This election is the closest we have come to having a true Liberty lover in office and we are all pissing it away over emotions. It's sad to me. Truly... and I don't think it is what Ron would want for one moment.

I like how a thread about unity has become

I like how a thread about unity has become more cheer-leading for Johnson.

Since this is in reply to my

Since this is in reply to my comment... my "cheer-leading" is for unity and a Liberty candidate in the White House. I would be elated if it was Ron Paul, but the best chance for it THIS ELECTION is Gary - IF IF IF we all voted that way.

I'll repeat myself - fighting over who is best is suicide. Writing in RP would be great if all 50 states would honor it and if your vote would be safe from being lost. However, reality is, the best bet we have for a Liberty candidate to win would be to all (that is key) to get behind Gary. Sorry. It's in the numbers.

Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson, as governator of NM, reduced the Second Amendment to a choice by the NM highway patrol whether you would be able to keep your weapon or not after being stopped for any reason or none at all. You have a mandate to volunteer and tell them what you have when stopped.
Libertarians don't think the Constitution binds them any more than a Democrat does. Arizona's judge Buttrick doesn't believe in State Sovereignty - borders. The Constitution clearly states a State can control its own borders without Federal help or permission to do so.
Republicans are for amnesty just a little bit less than Democrats. That covers every one but the one we know, Ron Paul.

A communist theoretician at the turn of the last century proved that when given two conflicting decisions most creatures would do nothing. Dogs or people, it was all the same to him. Pavlov then programmed people to react without thinking. The statists have been perfecting it for a hundred years.
I hear a bell, I must be hungry; I have to go to the next class; I must step clear of the yellow line...it's happening here. It's happening now.
The only man qualified is not on the ballot. All the rest are there to keep you conflicted.

DucatiJeanne

I've been looking into Gary

I've been looking into Gary Johnson lately. He's not perfect, but there are a lot of things to admire. However, the bigger reason for supporting him is that I dont believe in the GOP takeover strategy. I love RP, but I dont agree with him on us focusing our energy on changing an archaic, corrupt party. It seems the Pauls put all their eggs in that basket, doesn't seem like a good investment to me. I can still use GJ to talk to people about libertarianism and fiscal sanity. Thats good enough for me.

I only want liberty

Selfishly, I want liberty for myself and my kids. I don't want to out-Libertarian anyone, I don't want a cult of personality and I don't care how hardcore libertarian a person is. 95% of libertarian thinking is pure common sense from first principles. You don't have to study Mises with Rothbard for 15 years and make a video about Keynes vs Hayek. You don't have to write a column about central banks in Zerohedge. You just have to have guts to listen to your brain above the tv chatter.

Yeah I spent a bunch of money and time for Ron Paul. Was it worth it? Of course. Now he's not going to be on any ballots. He could have stuck with his own, the libertarians, but he chose to try to revive the GOP. The gambit didn't pay in the short term. They are corrupt to the core, indistinguishable from their best frenemies. One party uber alles, incorrigible, with coercion and programming for all.

Reality is Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all fifty and the best choice for me. Time to give back the libertarian party some, after all, they did help a little to incubate one Ron Paul. They never turned their backs on him. If they had a tenth of a percent responsibility for his persistence, that's 100 million times better than what the other parties have spewed this century.

WoW

Couldn't have said it better myself. Actually, I couldn't have said it that way at all. lol I agree 100% with you, and I have tried to say similar things, but not with such great articulation.

I'm going to settle for GJ

GJ isn't RP and doesn't pretend to be. I've been around for a while, was part of THE money bomb :) and I still find myself thinking at times, "What Would Ron Paul Do?"

When the votes are tallied in the 2012 general I'll be one of the tick marks under Gary Johnson. He's the best liberty candidate that I think we have left in the race. If you don't know GJ, please check him out. It'll be time well spent.

Before the "troll" comments start, keep in mind that I'll be promoting Gary Johnson standing beside this truck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GwmwVNI5t4

-In liberty

+1

For THE money bomb. I think that was the highlight of our movement so far. Remember the sense of unity and fellowship we used to have?

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

You are absolutely right when

You are absolutely right when you call for unity. Of course we would rather have Dr. Paul as president but it is not going to happen in 2012. Lets hope he wants to run again in 2016. IN the meantime, Dr. Paul has ask us to take a look at Gary Johnson and make up our own minds. Johnson's positions are obviously closer to Dr. Paul's than the other two.I think it would strengthen the liberty movement to have Gary Johnson in the debates to bring up many of our issues.That is why I am going to put up some Gary Johnson signs and bumper stickers.

Either Romney or Obama will win the election.

It doesn't matter which. Let us hope that one Party wins the White House and the other wins at least the House or Senate so that there is little accomplished by either Party.

In a normal election, the Libertarian Party and all other "third Parties" only get a statistically insignificant portion of the vote; less that 2%.

What might advance the cause of freedom would be for the combined vote for third parties to be closer to 15%. What this would do would be to give credibility in the minds of voters to third parties, which would give them a better chance in future elections, if in fact the federal government survives that long. It would also show the Republicans and Democrats that there is a legitimate freedom movement, and that they need to recognize us, and if they expect a future themselves, they need to work with us.

If you decide to not vote, vote for the lesser of two evils, or write in Ron Paul, you will accomplish nothing.

If you vote for Johnson, you can be assured he will not win, so if you object to some of his positions, you have no danger of him being able to implement them. You vote will be just be a short term action with a longer term goal of effecting peaceful change before conditions become so intolerable that violent social disintegration results.

As far as this site being the Daily Paul, what is its purpose anyway now that Ron Paul is retiring, and probably too old for 2016?

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Thanks to the rigged machines...

...it so seems "we the people" never get who we really want in office. Our vote counts? Grrrrrr!

Two quick points

What's up with all this " This is the Daily Paul isn't it? " Does that mean we can not talk about any other political figures here? Isn't Ron Paul VERY close to retiring? Come on now.

And, while I can't stand some posts below that call others stupid, etc for how they vote, I do think this is a good place for honest dialogue and swapping information. Respecting others views doesn't mean you're not allowed to talk about yours.

As for me, I'm leaning towards Johnson just to make it know it was against both parties and not missed or counted as someone not voting for lack of interest. I'm still not sure and I actually appreciate reading the points for each view. (The respectful ones anyway)

egapele's picture

I would be interested in this if I were over

at the Daily Johnson site. But I'm not.

You really should take some

You really should take some time to read the positions put forth by the Johnson people. Many are thoughtful and you'd clearly see we are on your side and deeply in the Ron Paul liberty camp. Do you think we don't get it? You think we are Johnny come lately's to this?

Ron Paul lost, but we fight on.. if you've been in the liberty movement any amount of time you'll know this isn't a uncommon occurrence. We can't go backwards at this point and now we have to make the best choice we can to further the message.

I think some people have hero complex around Dr. Paul and I don't blame them but.. Ron Paul is not running for president in any way shape or form that I can tell. The crazy crackpot Vermin Supreme who wears a boot on his head is running for president because he says he's running even with no ballot access or any hope at all but Ron Paul is not, he could have said so on the Tonight Show to millions of people but he did not. He's not running.

Maybe in the future it will be Ron leading the charge again.. maybe Rand.. maybe the Judge.. but none of those guys are running.. right now it's just Johnson, he's the best we got right now .. we can figure out who's better in the future and get behind that person but right now we have to push the message forward and a great way to do that would be to get Johnson into the CNN debates.

you're spamming this

You didn't even read the OP. If you did, you'd realize the message of the post is EXACTLY Dr. Paul's. Vote your conscience. It is not a message calling for Paul-til-I-die supporters to suddenly turn to GJ, it's saying quit the divide and vote your heart in Novemeber. We all believe in Liberty, so stop trying to put folks in different uniforms.

I am voting for the

I am voting for the Constitution party candidate. I have gone back and forth on this, but decided today to vote Constituion party.
I can't justify Johnsons pro abortion stance. I agree with much of what Johnson says but I can not vote for murder. Saying that I think a vote foe either is good. Its fun to give the ruling elite and the powers that be the middle finger.

He is not pro-abortion

He is pro-choice. But reality is the federal government has no business telling anyone what they can do with their own body. Let women decide! I am pro-life 100% but I can't force or shouldn't try to force my belief on another woman.

Formerly rprevolutionist

"Let women decide! I am

"Let women decide! I am pro-life 100%"

Those statements contradict each other. You can't say your a 100% supportive of a babies right not to be killed while saying that women should decide whether babies are killed.

At what age is it appropriate for you to "force your belief". Can "women decide" to kill their babies a few months after they are born? How about a few days? What about a few days before the baby relocates from the womb? The answer to all the questions is never. It is never acceptable to kill a baby.

Virgil Goode...

Goode has sponsored legislation to permit deployment of the U.S. Armed Forces to the U.S.-Mexico border. He voted in 2002 to authorize the Iraq War and in support of an $87 billion Iraq War supplemental spending bill.

Goode is an advocate of a federal prohibition of online poker. In 2006, he cosponsored H.R. 4777, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act.

Goode voted in 2007 against a resolution opposing the increase in troop numbers in Iraq, saying that he didn't want to "aid and assist the Islamic jihadists who want the green flag of the crescent and star to wave over the Capitol of the United States and over the White House of this country" and that "radical Muslims" wanted to control the world and put "In Muhammad We Trust" on American currency.