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A call for unity between Paul supporters and Johnson supporters.

I have seen the war between Ron Paul supporters and Gary Johnson supporters and I think it is rather silly that people in this movement have such a hard time following Ron Paul's advice. It is pretty simple to me.

We can not force our goodwill on anyone, we can only set good examples and hope people wish to emulate us. --Ron Paul

My suggestion would be that if you support Gary Johnson, fine support him. That is what freedom is. If you support Ron Paul, fine. Most of us here do support Ron Paul and have for several years. If you support both fine, but lets stop eating our own.

The goal should be to grow the liberty movement not divide it. Great movements are always destroyed from within, not the other way around.

I have seen the arguments from both sides and many statements are misguided. The whole notion that some claim they are turned off on Gary Johnson because Johnson supporters are trying to cram Johnson down your throats is the same excuse where many called people that didn't support Ron Paul sheep because, those people claimed they wouldn't support Ron Paul because Ron Paul supporters tried to force Paul on them. Do you see how silly that argument is?

How can anyone force anyone else to support someone?

My suggestion would be if you are not going to support Johnson fine, don't result to name calling of Johnson supporters, this makes you no better than the people that did the same thing to Ron Paul that pisses us off. Talking to people in a civil manner goes a long way, insulting them is counter productive and will accomplish nothing more than to isolate people that may share many of the same things you support.

You may not like the people you are working with, they may not like you, but we are all supposed to be working towards the same goal. So why don't we start with the things we agree on first and worry about the rest later?

Michael Badnarik said this best: We agree with each other about 98% of the time on most issues but, we spend 98% of the time b!tching, complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on, this is why nothing gets done, and he is correct!

You don't like a post? Don't read it, it is easy to ignore posts and comments. You don't have to agree with people but you do need to find a way to work together to grow the movement and attempt to effect real change this country needs or we will accomplish nothing. Take the high road and let freedom work for a change.

For the record I have not given my support to Gary Johnson although I did spend some private time with him at Paulfest in Tampa because I was paulfest staff and had access to Gary. My vote is just that MY VOTE! I will not tell others what to do with their vote -- please don't tell others what to do with theirs. Set good examples and educate them in a civil manner, you will win more people over that way in the long and short term.

If we continue down this US vs THEM attitude we only divide our numbers even more. I prefer to follow Ron Paul's example of integrity and I hope you will as well.

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Huh?

"We need him to tell us what HE wants us to do."

You aren't capable of making a decision on your own without Ron Paul telling you what to do? Seriously?

WTF.

4) Vote Virgil Goode 5) Stay

4) Vote Virgil Goode
5) Stay home.

I happen to be leaning toward 3). But nothing you said in 3) is true. No way GJ gets 20%. He won't get into the debates. He won't get more than Ross Perot. It won't launch the Liberty movement, or get ourt ideas anywhere. However, if we're somewhat unified, and some of us put in the effort we put in for Ron Paul, kicking in money, GJ has a really good chance of being the most successful Libertarian candidate for President. The record is 1%. I think GJ could get 2%, and even more.

Don't oversell it. If people think that GJ might get 20%, they might look at the record more closely.

It's a protest vote. I'd think that we'd want to show our strength. We aren't that mighty. But I'd like see something.

I say we focus on 2016. The

I say we focus on 2016. The republicans lost the election by choosing Mitts as their candidate. We've got 4 years to press our message hard! We need to come up with our next Liberty candidate for 2016. Tom Davis? Justin Amash? Perhaps even on Paul again if he is up to it. He will only be 80 years young.

Don't stop working.

Paul supporters likely to

Paul supporters likely to succeed in their quest for irrevelency.

The liberty movement is never going to go anywhere unless you people can work and act together as a cohecive unit. In a post-RP enviornment are we all going to go our seperate ways, some voting for Goode, some for Obama, some for *shudder* Romney, some for Johnson, and some writting in Paul's name in vain?

Why can't we decide what we are going to do as a group, and then act together on whatever we decide...you know, like effective political parties do?

If we stick together we can be a powerful political force, if we go do our own thing and "vote our consienece" we will become irrelevent.

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At first glance it looks like Ron Paul is driving the Ron Paul Revolution movement, but on closer inspection we find that it is the people who love and promote Liberty and Justice, that this country was founded on, who are the real catalysts for forward momentum and the ultimate restoration of the Republic. So whether you are pushing, pulling or steering your sphere of influence, let it be understood that everyone who participates in the Liberty revolution are true patriots. We are Ron Paul.

When the desire to bring about a change in you is not there,
the demand to change the world is not there either. —U.G.Krishnamurti

Can't we work to get Johnson's positions changed?

I have started another thread here about what Johnson can do to gain our support - after I posted that, I noticed another thread that Gary Johnson is having a town-hall with 'Ron Paul Supporters'.

Instead of the Gary Johnson folks telling us how we have to vote for Johnson, shouldn't we be talking to Johnson and telling him what he needs to do to gain our support? We have a little weight - let's throw it around a bit.

Instead of settling for Gary Johnson as 85% of a Ron Paul - shouldn't we be working to get Gary Johnson as close to 100% of a Ron Paul as possible? He might get my vote then.

Who says Gary Johnson is our

Who says Gary Johnson is our only choice when there are 1,000,000 other options out there? Its a waste of time to promote someone who is merkey at best on foreign policy and will not win anyway. Protest vote? Yeah, that will advance liberty. Once again, its not about the candidate or an election. Its about the message. Did Ron Paul not teach Gary Johnson supporters anything? I would much rather support a no name person from the middle of Iowa who is pure and will not win than Gary who also will not win. I think we can start with at least someone who shinned at the RNC or a Debra Medina. If the GOP can pluck a former no name Sarah Palin out of nowhere and make her a contender than we can too.

What about Pete Harring?; the

What about Pete Harring?; the delegate out of Maine who during the RNC circus best represented liberty? He has fire in his heart.

I've been saying this all

I've been saying this all day! GJ is "pro Israel" on foreign policy. Israel is one of our biggest influences on foreign policy. They also have one of the biggest lobbies in Washington. I simply cannot support a candidate who panders to Israel. We will never fix Washington or our Monetary policy or or Foreign policy if we don't get rid of our Israel problem.

Voting GJ could muddy up our message and our movement.

How is he "pandering" more than Ron Paul?

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Johnson_War_+_Peace.htm

Q: Should the U.S. continue to support Israel?
A: No, cut all support and aid.

Q: How should the U.S. deal with Iran?
A: Iran does not threaten our national security and there is no proof they are building a nuclear weapon.

Q: Do you agree with Ron Paul that Iran is not a threat?
A: I think Israel is an important military ally and I support that alliance. I think Iran gets dealt with by Israel, which is likely to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. I think it's wrong for our government to presume to tell Israel what to do.

These are practically line-for-line Ron Paul's positions on the issues.

This artical brings up some

This artical brings up some good points that can be verified if you look into it.

http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/04/gary-johnson-on-for...

1,000,000 options?

Not when it comes to the presidential elections this November... there will only be 3 options.

I was thinking the exact same thing...

But apparently the DP is still populated by idiots. I thought I'd give it another a chance, but reading comments like the one you replied to simply affirms my position.... 100,000??? Wat?! LOL.

Now this I could support. No

Now this I could support. No pandering to Israel!

Johnson on Israel ?

what is his stance on that ? I can't find it on his campaign site

Johnson specificly stated he opposed financial aid to Israel

and would not follow it or any other ally into a war it had initiated.

From a practical standpoint that's all I care about, as no Middle East nation would be insane enough to initiate a war on Israel.

UNTRUE!

With my own ears I heard hin say he would cut all aid EXCEPT ISRAEL!

professorjoe

Prove it please...

...

If you're going to downvote

at least show yourself and post a reply.

Are these not Johnson's stated positions? Do you anticipate an invasion of Israel?

I'm thinking they should change the code on the DP...

So that you cannot downvote without actually making a response/reply. We'd actually have some intelligent debate (maybe), if that were the case.

Good artical. Should answer

Good artical. Should answer some people's questions.

Is it just me?

Or are there alot of Romneytrolls on here pretending to be RP supporters now. They all seem to be trying to bring up issues of contention between RP supporters and GJ supporters. Unfortunately for them they are easy to spot, because all of us know what Dr Paul's stances are on all the issues. Nice try trolls.

sincerely,
Mike G.

Yeah, Romney supporters,

Yeah, Romney supporters, being a bunch of old people who can't even get the 12:00 to stop flashing on their microwaves, have mastered the internet and joined the DailyPaul en masse, pretending to be fanatical libertarians to undermine our efforts.

They don't NEED to undermine us. They just lawyer us and change the rules in the party. Outside of the party they lawyer Johnson off the ballot.

Good Words!

Good Words! Thank you.

Check the join dates on all these pro-Johnson shills

the most recent commenters 2 and 4 month joins

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/56440

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/53702

You guys aren't fooling the DPers. This is an open hijack which should be stopped. We will write in Ron Paul or go for the Constitution Party. No vote for someone who says slaughtering Iraqi babies is "keeping us safe."

Release the Sandy Hook video.

He never said slaughtering "Iraqi babies" is keeping us safe

Thanks for ignoring the OP and contributing to the hostility though. Not only do you stoop to personal attacks, but you attempt to pass on disinformation as fact. As a fellow "DPer" you embarrass me.

Here's Gary Johnson answering a question regarding Iraq:

Q: You write that "maintaining a strong national defense is the most basic of the federal government's responsibilities. However, building schools, roads, and hospitals in other countries are not among those basic obligations. Yet that is exactly what we have been doing for much of the past 10 years." Do you oppose current US military intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya and, if so, on what moral grounds?

A: I do. In all three cases, I don't see a military threat. I initially thought the intervention in Afghanistan was warranted--we were attacked and we attacked back--but we've wiped out Al Qaeda and here we are; we're still there.

Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Johnson_War_+_Peace.htm

Good point!

If you haven't been here for at least 4 years, your opinion should be discounted. :)

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I think that is a bad idea.

I think that is a bad idea. Not a lot of people knew who RP was until this year. I lurked around this website for 4 years before joining. I think the idea is to grow the movement. Besides...I don't mind the trolls as it gives us a chance to set a lot of people straight. You can't argue with what's right!

It was a joke :)

I was just doing to Sue4theBillofrights the same thing she was doing to others. I was hoping she'd see the ridiculousness of her argument. By the way, did you know that Sue4theBillofrights says Ron Paul thinks it's "wonderful" that Gary Johnson supports killing babies "over there" in Iraq to keep us safe? The quote may not be totally accurate, but I'm sure that's what she really meant. You can tell by her use of super secret "trigger words" that her 4 star general dad taught her to use. That's how neocons identify one another in public. She's a sneaky one! Love ya, Sue! ;)