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A call for unity between Paul supporters and Johnson supporters.

I have seen the war between Ron Paul supporters and Gary Johnson supporters and I think it is rather silly that people in this movement have such a hard time following Ron Paul's advice. It is pretty simple to me.

We can not force our goodwill on anyone, we can only set good examples and hope people wish to emulate us. --Ron Paul

My suggestion would be that if you support Gary Johnson, fine support him. That is what freedom is. If you support Ron Paul, fine. Most of us here do support Ron Paul and have for several years. If you support both fine, but lets stop eating our own.

The goal should be to grow the liberty movement not divide it. Great movements are always destroyed from within, not the other way around.

I have seen the arguments from both sides and many statements are misguided. The whole notion that some claim they are turned off on Gary Johnson because Johnson supporters are trying to cram Johnson down your throats is the same excuse where many called people that didn't support Ron Paul sheep because, those people claimed they wouldn't support Ron Paul because Ron Paul supporters tried to force Paul on them. Do you see how silly that argument is?

How can anyone force anyone else to support someone?

My suggestion would be if you are not going to support Johnson fine, don't result to name calling of Johnson supporters, this makes you no better than the people that did the same thing to Ron Paul that pisses us off. Talking to people in a civil manner goes a long way, insulting them is counter productive and will accomplish nothing more than to isolate people that may share many of the same things you support.

You may not like the people you are working with, they may not like you, but we are all supposed to be working towards the same goal. So why don't we start with the things we agree on first and worry about the rest later?

Michael Badnarik said this best: We agree with each other about 98% of the time on most issues but, we spend 98% of the time b!tching, complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on, this is why nothing gets done, and he is correct!

You don't like a post? Don't read it, it is easy to ignore posts and comments. You don't have to agree with people but you do need to find a way to work together to grow the movement and attempt to effect real change this country needs or we will accomplish nothing. Take the high road and let freedom work for a change.

For the record I have not given my support to Gary Johnson although I did spend some private time with him at Paulfest in Tampa because I was paulfest staff and had access to Gary. My vote is just that MY VOTE! I will not tell others what to do with their vote -- please don't tell others what to do with theirs. Set good examples and educate them in a civil manner, you will win more people over that way in the long and short term.

If we continue down this US vs THEM attitude we only divide our numbers even more. I prefer to follow Ron Paul's example of integrity and I hope you will as well.

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You can "Correct" me all you want

but you're connected to them as well. That's you doing the radio show with that other girl.

Besides.. I have proof.. He admitted to owning sites that list Connie Parent, Steve's sister as owner with an address that lists both of them living at the same address which is also listed on police reports. He's also "4Constitution" here as well. The dude has so many angles going, he makes an octagon look smooth.

This is the same guy that posed as a "doctor" last cycle and as a "parliamentarian" this one.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

However, he is right about

However, he is right about the worst of the worst part ^_^

LMAO

There is no ideological basis for unity between Johnson and Paul, except on individual issues like the drug war. Johnson is a statist, war-mongering loon. Might as well ask for unity between Romney and Paul.

Voting can't change shit. When are you people going to figure that out? The president does what the hell he is told by the oligarchs. He is a figure head. And if the election got someone the oligarchs didn't want, they would just change the votes, ignore the votes, or murder the person. Get a clue!

"Show me the government that does not infringe upon anyone's rights, and I will no longer call myself an anarchist." ~Jacob Halbrooks

If voting can't change anythign

What are you doing here on a Pro-Paul site? I'm sure you support him don't ya?

I think a lot of people are sore because RP isn't on the ticket, but honestly.. After Iowa I saw it coming. The fact is, things can change. But it takes work and perseverance. You have to wake people up one person at a time. And when you spread the truth of what is really happening, it enables people to make the right decisions when things start happening that has been predicted by the Liberty movement. Wars, financial collapse etc..

Civil disobedience

I am here trying to get some of you Paul people to wake up and join the real fight for freedom which cannot be achieved by voting in this evil system. It can only be achieved through civil disobedience-agorism. No, I don't support Ron Paul. I like him. But I don't support him for political office. I support no one for political office. I oppose ALL rulers. If there are rulers, there cannot be equality under the law and thus government is the negation of law, private property, justice, and freedom.

"Show me the government that does not infringe upon anyone's rights, and I will no longer call myself an anarchist." ~Jacob Halbrooks

How is Gary Johnson a War Hawk?

This is a genuine question that I'm asking. I don't have enough time to catch up on Gary Johnson all the time, but from his speeches and positions I've read online, it seems as if he's genuinely for ending wars. The only thing I've heard differently is that he may be for humanitarian wars, but even then he concedes to the idea of the "Congressional Declaration of War." I was wondering if I am missing something that may be crucial about how I vote in November. Thanks

Interesting

I plan on doing exactly what Dr Paul suggested...."make up my own mind". The thing that I find is curious is that someone went to all the trouble of going back to a statement that Gary Johnson made a year ago about the military. This sounds more like a opposition tactic that is used to discredit someone as they did to Dr Paul with the newsletter. I think that we are going to have alot of hacks on Daily Paul until the election trying to turn our opinions from one candidate to another but I'm trying to ignore it. Ron Paul is no longer an option for me...in the state of Missouri write-ins DO NOT COUNT and are only used to make a person feel good. I only have a choice of voting for one of three candidates or staying home. I chose to vote after I thoroughly check out Gary Johnson's voting record and interviews. To me neither Romney nor Obama are the lesser of two evils...they are both EVIL and right now Johnson is going to be my choice unless he proves otherwise. As far as Dr Paul, I will cnntinue to follow all of his interviews, speeches etc because I have a feeling that he knows that ALL Americans will be ready for him in 2016.

We can't write in Ron Paul in

We can't write in Ron Paul in Florida, either. The write-in issue is dead as far as actually winning. Gary Johnson is really the lesser of two goods, but that's far better than the lesser of two evils.

And I'm seriously thinking those who are here trying to undermine Gary may be Obamney trolls. What better way to divide the Liberty movement than attack any would-be leaders?

Why is the Daily Paul deliberatly forcing us to get behind GJ?

The whole election they never once tried to force GJ Supporters to get behind Paul one iota--including following his plan to stay in the GOP.

I watch long time members like Granger get basically trolled and harassed for following RP's plan.

People are saying this site has nothing to do with Paul now and it's just an acronym?

Is the Daily Paul really splitting from Ron Paul?

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Daily Paul not Forcing People

I don't think the Daily Paul is trying to force people to get behind Gary Johnson. Rather, I think you have a lot of Ron Paul supporters who think the best way to promote Ron Paul and his Message is to vote Gary Johnson in November.

The prevailing thought seems to be that a vote for Gary Johnson will be VIEWED as a vote for Ron Paul (because we are 99% sure he won't win). This is why you have so many people pushing for it, and I couldn't agree more.

Ron Paul endorsed

Church Baldwin 2008 Constitution Party Candidate.

I really am trying to figure out what to do come November. If you have the time and inclination, I would appreciate any insite you have here: http://www.dailypaul.com/253758/is-goode-any-good-requesting...

who is downvoting this?

I will assume it is GJ trolls if no response. At least comment on why you're downvoting

I down voted you because you

I down voted you because you suck

Downvoted you...

For excessive use of the word trolls. Those who disagree with you aren't always trolls. There is also no obligation to comment on anything. If you don't like the voting system take it up with the administrators.

But just so you feel better... I downvoted the original comment for several reasons. One being that this site was NEVER about Ron Paul but INSPIRED by Ron Paul. This site, as I understand it, was always "Dedicated to restoring constitutional government to the United States." For god sakes Ron Paul doesn't even want it to be about him. It's about furthering the cause of liberty.

Another reason I voted it down is that the DP is an empty slate and cannot cram anything down our throats. All you have to do to not read about GJ is not click on those links. I have no idea why that is so hard.

Finally, because I'm running out of time, Granger doesn't get harassed. Look at her posting history. She purposefully goes into threads about GJ and stirs up trouble. She has also openly stated that she is voting for Romney. In these cases, by definition, she is the troll.

See how long that took? ...and I could go on. Not everyone has the time to futilely attempt to debate with someone who has already made up their mind.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Hi TJ1776

If you scroll through this thread, you will see that I have not posted here. Even though this Forum, like 5 others to the right presently have GJ's name, I IGNOR them. I scrolled past the Forums, seeing nothing that interested me, and saw your title, "Downvoted you", and WHOA, there's MY name in your thread.

You are making accusations about me, on a thread I have not posted on. And if you really cared to do some homework, you would see, I don't post on the majority of GJ threads because I am sincerely NOT interested.

I have not asked anyone here to vote for Romney. I have tried to educate people how my efforts to become a national delegate for Ron Paul, had me join a GOP central committee, sign loyalty oaths to an elected seat with a two year committment. I wish someone had told me. Maybe I wouldn't have tried to be a delegate? So I thought I would inform others. My bad.

I read a lot here about how it takes people in all the parties, LP, DP, GOP to make Liberty happen, and yet, as an elected RepubliCAN, something I would have NEVER done if not inspired by Ron Paul, to do everything I could, there's no way in HELL I would have joined the GOP. I haven't been a member of the GOP for two years.

So by trying to educate my friends here, I'm being called a troll, told to get out of the GOP, get off the DP, GO away, Get lost, lose my seat, vote for GJ if I no longer want to be called a troll, and be welcomed again in a place, I've been longer than you, or most here, who never did what I did, being a National delegate FOR Ron Paul.

I am being stalked by some, insulted by many, there is NO support for me being in the GOP, and then talked about on threads I haven't posted, with accusations I would be unable to defend myself against, had I not just so happend to open the post because the title caught my eye.

This is in a Forum asking for unity between GJ and RP supporters.

So what you are saying is, there won't be any unity from you. You are here to attack RP supporters like me, a Ron Paul Republican, like ALL National Delegates, who put up with tons of stuff from our party because we all understood Ron Paul wanted us to be delegates.

You're calling me a troll.. so this is the GJ Forum to you? Great.

We'll see how things go in the General Election. What will you do after? What happenes when GJ returns to the GOP? What's your plan?

Because my plan, will be vetting issues inside the GOP and holding them to the Constitution in a fight for OUR liberty.

What will you do? Please answer that question.

Righto!

Righto!

Amen to that, Granger!

You have taken on the role of a teacher here. Those who respect others, regardless of their views, have learned a lot from you. It is the trolls (yes, Trolls! dammit) who either still don't "get it" or are only here to cause disruption to our cause for freedom.

Keep on keepin' on, my friend! You are not alone. Some people just don't like being hit with the truth. Keep speaking the truth and you will never be alone, no matter what the mindless downvotes show!

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Abundant and Constant Blessings to you (((Nonna)))

Thank you for standing for me when, where, and how others have piled on me with downvotes and criticism, for I, can admit that I am not a teacher, I am not trained to open and engage minds, but rather only able to share the hard knocks I have received in my poor attempt to educate through experience. Been there done that. Just because I failed in decades of trying my very best does, not mean that someone who hardly tried at all might have that key to set us all free.

Do what ever you want... but be prepared to suffer the consequences.

My friend, thank you for making those bumps and bruises not hurt so much.

Hi Granger

I will formulate my response in paragraphs to reply to each of yours in turn.

I didn't bring you up. I was asked a direct question as to why I downvoted a comment and I answered honestly and to the best of my ability.

I made no accusations. I am simply observing and reporting. What accusation did I make that you believe to be incorrect or unfair?

No comment. I never said you told anyone to vote for Romney.

Again, no comment.

You have not been here longer than me. Although that is irrelevant anyway. During the previous election my screen name was shwade80 but I decided that this name was a little too identifiable, although it's not like "they" couldn't figure it out anyway.

I don't think you are a troll. I honestly believe that you are doing what you think is right to defend and promote the idea of liberty. In that, I support you and your attempt to take over the GoP 100%. I don't go into threads and tell people how I think taking over the GoP is a complete waste of time. In regards to my troll comment, I was attempting to illustrate to the previous poster the ridiculousness of their claims. If you took what I said as calling you a troll, I honestly apologize as I abhorr the use of that word. I could have worded it better. I define a troll as someone who goes into a thread that they disagree with and posts a disproportional number of comments. Would you disagree with this definition? I refuse to go through your posts and pick out those that I believe fit this definition. I'd rather this end politely and we both agree to defend and promote liberty in our own way. As per this being a GJ forum, this has always been a site promoting liberty, not a man. Michael Nystrom has stated publicly in response to an Adam Kokesh video that voting GJ may be the best way to have our voices be heard.

My plan is to promote liberty, sound money, and liberty candidates 100% until I die. I plan on talking to as many people as I can about the principles of a free society and why it is the best plan for our future. I plan on continuing my career in education through tutoring students and home schoolers in Civics and History in an attempt to alter the course of our future. In my opiion, educating people is the answer, not pretending to be something you're not in a party that makes my skin crawl. Keep in mind, I've been a Republican since I've been 18 (although I rarely voted R) but I've been a libertarian my whole life. I believe the GoP is a lost cause. However, I support any and ALL avenues attempting to promote liberty... even those that I disagree with. If and or when GJ fails, I will look to the future and attempt to find a new candidate that will bring us a little closer to living free.

I only reply to your comments when I believe you are bashing those who disagree with you and your chosen path unfairly. The olive branch has been extended. I support your strategy 100%... can you support mine?

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Peace be with you

Have a good posting day.

thanks for responding

"Ron Paul doesn't even want it to be about him" good point

who is Granger?

Someone connected to the site

actually wrote here that, in their opinion, having Ron Paul's picture up would discourage people from coming here. I guess the Big L people really think that they have a better plan than the good Dr.

. . .

"Big L people" is collectivization. People is the term you were looking for. This site has always been very libertarian until all of these neocons "woke up" and now they think they know something.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

So,

all of us who don't identify with the Big Ls are former Neocons? Project much?

Not at all...

I support anyone attempting to promote liberty. Infer much?

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Yes, one does not need to be Libertarian to like liberty.

The worst thing we can do for the future of spreading the message is get under the smaller tent of the Libertarians should it be we can have any hope of gathering around us the rest of the American voters.

The majority of the American voters might possibly someday be convinced they actually do like the idea of liberty but there simply is no way we can convince a majority to like certain aspects of the Libertarian Party.

The Libertarian Party has not been, is not now, and never will be anywhere close to representing what can become mainstream thinking as THIS movement has for itself, already accomplished.

Those in favor of the status quo have succeeded in marginalizing the liberty movement as nothing other than we being Libertarians and nothing more so has hurt our ability from drawing more people away from supporting the existing platforms of the Republican and Democratic parties; from which the majority of us here have otherwise come.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Ron Paul supported the Constitution Party...

in 2008. I wish Chuck Baldwin was running again. Virgil is just not as good a speaker

Virgil...

...voted for the Iraq War and the Patriot Act. I've been looking to find if he's repudiated those votes. I hope he has.