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What's Wrong With You People?

Before tonight, I have never said to someone that their vote would be wasted, they should vote however they want to.... but Ron Paul did NOT register to be a write-in candidate. He will NOT be counted. So writing him in (as a lot of you are talking about doing)would be a horribly stupid idea, and give absolutely no traction to the movement! THINK about this. If the Libertarian Party gets a lot of votes (1 or 2 percent would be a lot for them) this November, then that will force the Republicans to continue to become more libertarian and try to win back those votes in future elections. This is exactly what we've all been working towards.
-First they ignore you
-Then they laugh at you
-Then they fight you
-Then you win
We've gone through the first two stages already and we're currently weathering through the third. Let's stay strong! Ron Paul always said that it's not about him...it's about the message.

Here is the REALITY:
•8 States do not allow any write-in votes.
•8 States have sore loser laws that prevent someone who ran in the primary from being a write in candidate.
•24 States require a write-in candidate to sign and notarize paperwork to be a write-in candidate and it is unlikely that Ron Paul will do this.
•10 States may allow a write-candidate but the votes will not necessarily be counted or reported.

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We have higher standards and more integrity.

:p J/K

I will probably vote for GJ. But it is stupid that both sides of this argument keep trying to tell others what to do. Either action is a form of protest and an individual should do whatever they think they need to do.

it's a lot easier to

it's a lot easier to infiltrate and be accepted by the GOP if they have to change their platform to one that's more libertarian in response to a growing libertarian party.

just sayin.

besides, after this election, are you people just going to stop voting altogether because every candidate is not a clone of dr paul? he told us to get involved and run for office, so when the choice comes up to vote for a liberty candidate, are you going to abstain and stifle the movement because that person isn't ron paul? guess what, there will never be another ron paul, so start voting for any person who helps expand the movement in the right direction. it's about the message, not the man, remember???

You're so smart, you're clearly SMARTER than Dr. Paul

He's just some senile fool who doesn't know GJ is made out of gold and walks on water.

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Dr Paul said he did not know

Dr Paul said he did not know who he would vote for which impliedly means he is considering voting for Johnson...

Ventura 2012

I guess being lied to and shellacked for 20 years

would make most freedom loving Americans a tad peevish ! my mind cannot grasp the level of deceit parlayed onto the backs of the citizenry. Little by little eroding our basic fundamental RIGHTS! I will be know mans serf.

The tree of Liberty MUST be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants. T.J.

30 yrs is a long time to sit and watch the corrosion expose the corruption, yet still we ponder and chat, ponder and chat, ponder and chat. when will the intellectual revolution end and the real fight begin? too late after our asses are sitting in Kamp FEMA !

thats whats wrong with me

So you say:

Here is the REALITY:
•8 States do not allow any write-in votes.
•8 States have sore loser laws that prevent someone who ran in the primary from being a write in candidate.
•24 States require a write-in candidate to sign and notarize paperwork to be a write-in candidate and it is unlikely that Ron Paul will do this.
•10 States may allow a write-candidate but the votes will not necessarily be counted or reported.

And I say you forgot one:

  • 1 individual believes that once you start bending principles that you cannot call them principles anymore.

So i guess that's my answer to what is wrong with me.

well . . . what's wrong with me?

--not doing so well with the health

--have a lot of heavy work to do

--trying to make ends meet

--trying to make sure everyone has enough to eat

--trying to get enough sleep at night and not being successful most of the time

Why? What's wrong with you?

LOL!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Stay this strong.

Stay this strong.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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What's wrong with me ?

Er.. Nothing,

http://www.dailypaul.com/212798/what-does-your-brain-interpr...

Thanks ;-)

"We know the truth, not only by the reason, but also by the heart."

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"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I think if the Libertarian

I think if the Libertarian Party would have stepped up to the plate and officially supported Ron Paul's candidacy then the LP now (if RP still did not win the nomination) would be enjoying very serious support from RP's supporters.

So what if the rules said they can't. They could have taken the appropriate action to change the rules so that they could have done the right thing by officially supporting RP.

...

The ends never justify the means.

The LP has rules.

They are not to be changed lighlty.

It isn't about the LP not reaching out.

It's about Paul not seeking the nomination through the normal process.

He knows he didn't do it. That's why he isn't trying to "steal" the nomination now. He plays by the rules. Perhaps a little respect for Ron is in order here.

The issue isn't even the LP rules. The bigger issue is the fallout with ballot access because of state laws. The LP already has a hell of time with access as it is. You want them to LOSE that hard fought access just so you can satisfy your egotistical itch to vote for Paul?

The NEOCON globalists are

The NEOCON globalists are laughing their asses off at us. We are a joke, fighting amongst ourselves and against other Liberty minded groups to be the king of the monkey pile... Sad.

Here is what is wrong with me...

http://www.dailypaul.com/253703/jim-uprichard-update-and-chi...

I am tired.
I am still willing to work.
I have to lay my head down at night and know I did my best.
When I meet my maker, if there is such a thing, I will not be able to say, "I behaved badly because...." (I had a bad upbringing, or I had a bad boss, or a lousy govt., etc"

My sister has said to me that my biggest fault is that I want everyone to be happy, everything to be alright with everyone, everyone to get along. I guess if that is a fault that is the one that I want. So, I will keep trying. I think we are all a little tired, a little confused, a little sad, a little frustrated, a little angry. I think we want everything to be alright with the world, BUT it just isn't.

Please say some prayers for our good friend Jim and if you have a few bucks, please chip-in. Thank you. love you guys, all of you!

You assuming your vote matters. That any vote matters.

It doesn't not. Results are completely fabricated. Even the delegate votes do not matter. The system is no better than the Middle-East or the former USSR and probably worse.

As far as the GOP is concerned

The LP is a human waste land and it would not matter if 99% of the poluation voted for GJ, they prefer to have as few people as possible that way a tremendous amount of power belongs in very few hands.

This isn't about the LP

This isn't about the LP whatsoever.

You're going to let your blind hatred for the vain in time YOU felt like you wasted with the LP allow you to sabotage potential.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
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Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

I don't hate the LP

I would have never joined the GOP had it not been for Ron Paul.

Now I have a two year commitment that I intend to keep. I don't believe, think, wish that anyone in the LP would help me, or any Ron Paul Republican. I had hoped. But I appreciate the education Daily P.AU.L. affords me. I have debated, made my case, been rejected, which I acccept.

I am on my own in the GOP with a few elected Ron Paul Republicans, while the remaining here go on to LP or Indy, or whatever they want.

"You can never go home again". I was in the LP. I believed we could change American politics. I was wrong. Even without me, they have not come any further than where they were. I learned alot working with Ralph Nader as an Indy. And now, I am home in the GOP, where I have learned more than all 33 years combined following Ron Paul. I have no regrets even knowing that many here resent and hate me for that.

The downvotes, the insults, the name calling.. surely you do not believe these are actions of winners? But, we each have our path, and I am happy that I have had the awesome pleasure of meeting a few new folks who have gone to their GOP committees, and some who said they would. So that is enough for me. I will continue doing want I want to do remaining in the GOP as a Ron Paul republican, and hope you enjoy doing what you want to do as much as me.

Peace be with you.

You continue to ignore the

You continue to ignore the fact that times are changing faster than they can keep up.

You keep comparing today to the 70's and 80's in order to discredit the LP when even Paul himself wouldn't have doubled his support if it weren't for what you didn't have back then... the internet.

So with a MUCH larger showing than compared to previous elections for a 3rd party candidate... you still don't think it will wake people up to the fact the if they were more organized they could get that 46% that want a 3rd non-"evil" choice behind one and win a 3 way race?

It starts somewhere... and to keep believing it's 30+ years ago... sabotages today's and the future's potential.

Gary Johnson could be running independent... which makes you bringing up the LP completely irrelevant. What you knew of them then has absolutely no bearing on them now.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

I do not ignor that you focus on my faults

You say that I continue to IGNOR, the FACT Times are changing. But you do not explain the reasoning behind your facts. You claim I'm ignoring it, so why not educate me about it rather than "faster than they an keep up"? To me, that doesn't make sense.

I am aware that the UN Agenda 21 is being implemented very rapidly. I see it everyday and I don't believe I am ignoring it, after all it is a subject on my committee where we do vote against it. The LP has no committee here, only 71 members, most did not support Johnson, the few I knew were hostile to, "A Republican taking the nomination", It's a huge county, and would cost a lot of money to start a committee, and with an election in two months, no one I personally know for it, a lot of people against it. It does not seem practicle. Note I said seem. Is it practical? Educate me. I have 7K registered Republicans, most of them are AARP, completely against marijuana, and 71 registered LP members, the most vocal are marijuana growers.

The only comparison I think I make is that marijuana remains illegal on the federal level (it is legal here, decriminalized actually, on a local level) and the LP continues to be notorius for it being an important issue. (It was not the LP that got it decriminalized here BTW, it was the socialists)

As for the internet, it was freer in 07/08 than now. I notice that my searches immediately produce local stores and places, where in 07/08, they spanned the globe. Local advertizing, even on Daily P. AU. L., where in 07/08 there were ads from across the country.

The last election Nader worked on ballot access and open debates for third parties and Indy's was 07/08. What I witnessed for four election cycles was both parties teaming up IN THE GOVERNMENT, meaning police, government workers, judges, and basically we the petitioners got violently abused, MSM does not report it, the government lies, cheats and steals petitions, the law suits against us, and to them, for crimes pile up, the judges won't hear them, we go broke with law suits, and I've had enough. I worked on three elections and you may call me weak, or whatever, but I have had enough being threatened, and abused. It's someone elese turn. You are far more talented, gifted, intelligent than me, so why not you? When does it become your turn? And I'm not sayiing this to be mean, you were not there for me, you are not here for me now, so please don't aske me to back you. I encouragte you, but I will not join you.

As for me, I followed Ron Paul into the GOP, I made a two year committment and I will keep my committment. I'm not asking you to respect em, or agree with me. I'm doing it how I see Ron Paul said it could be done, and so far, he has been correct. So I have a committment I intend to keep. But you are absolutely FREE to do your third party thing your way. More power to you! GOOD LUCK. I don't expect you to back me in my effort, but I certainly won't stop you in yours, and that is a form of backing. I will not be joining you, as I'm sorry, I already made a committment, you're coming at me too late.

I have no interest in GJ. He's your guy,, GREAT!!! GOOD LUCK to both of you no matter how or what, I'm not here to stop you.

Have a great posting day!

I actually DID show how you

I actually DID show how you were ignoring when I showed how you comparing today to back when you were with the LP and getting no where. The thing you IGNORE is the affect the internet has on politics and the changes to how much of a chance a 3rd party or independent now has.

This is what you "IGNORED" again...

"You keep comparing today to the 70's and 80's in order to discredit the LP when even Paul himself wouldn't have doubled his support if it weren't for what you didn't have back then... the internet."

You ask "You claim I'm ignoring it, so why not educate me about it rather than 'faster than they an keep up'?" even though I DID ATTEMPT to educate you... but how can you become educated when you ignore?

"To me, that doesn't make sense."

To you... nothing makes sense. Not when you're not living here in reality where we observe everything rather than just what we feel like observing.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

I'm really sorry

I'm really NOT trying to ignor anything.

I just don't see the internet being that massive an influence, but by all means, go for it.

Maybe one day I'll wake up and thank you? That would be AWESOME. I'd LOVE to say, WOW that X guy was RIGHT ON and man, I'm so dumb and ignorant and I was WRONG.

All I have is my experience, and for you it's as relevant as your internet idea is for me.

Many things make a lot of sense to me. I'm happy in, and with my life, and it all works well, I have a few things, like you, that I could ignor, but I am not. I'm trying to understand, you say I'm not. So, I don't get you. I wish you the best of luck with others.

Today, IN MY COUNTY, and I'm going to limit myself to that because that's all I can actually do anything about, and it's a large county.. there are 58 registered LP members, no committee, no meetings, LP is the second smallest party, with Peace and Freedom having 38 members, I'm not going to drive nearly 200 miles to go to a LP meeting in Alameda. I'm not going to start a LP chapter, or committee, I'm really not interested in going back to the 70s and 80s even with the internet.

Sorry to be of perpetual dissappointment for you, trust me, it's mutual as I am accomplishing Liberty with my GOP committee, thanks to other Ron Paul RepubliCANs like me, who were also former 70'80s LP members that moved on despite the internet.. the net just ain't all that for us. Happy it is for YOU!! More power to you to get the people who relate to you and make you happy as my political pals make me.

So if you don't think the

So if you don't think the internet has made a difference in politics... you really think that the Ron Paul support would have doubled the way it did and continue to grow without the internet?

I wouldn't have known about Paul, known the great things he had done in the past, with out it. I'm pretty sure that most of us heard about him from a friend or saw something online... and then continued looking online about him.

You keep making this about the LP party when it's not. This is about ANY 3rd party or independent's chance.

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It's not the same today as it was in 07/08

My banners actually had "Google Ron Paul", but then as Google censored Ron Paul, I wish I didn't have Google on my banners.

I was a Libertarian in 88, I voted for Ron Paul and I didn't have any internet.

You didn't answer the

You didn't answer the question.

You said you don't think the internet isn't a huge influence... including grassroots blogs, videos, archived video being easily accessible, recorded videos of debates and interviews being available to anyone that missed them, people sharing information freely and to mass audiences via facebook, twitter, and many other sites, websites to get an entire nation of supporters talking as though they're in the same room... etc etc etc...

Do you really think Ron Paul's support would have more than doubled in 4 years time if it wasn't for the internet?

That's what you implied.

Your personal account of voting for Paul in 88 and the few people you were able to get behind him WITHOUT the internet and saying the obvious with today not being the same as the past doesn't invalidate what I said... in fact it supports it.

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In 08 yes

in 2012 NO

...riiiight... and we're

...riiiight... and we're talking about 2012 regarding 3rd party/independents... this CURRENT election... aren't we?

I'm so glad you have finally decided to agree on what reality is.

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Yes

If it was 08, I would agree with you, but it 12 and the net is not free, so I don't see how it works except to help government and corporate control, not people organize for freedom from both, which is what Ron Paul's campaign is about, smaller government under constitutional law, opposed to global corporate control in a NWO.

We're free enough to make

We're free enough to make videos that reach millions of people.
We're free enough to talk and organize on here.

You're exaggerating fallacies in order to keep believing what you want.

You're going to disagree with me... but like I've said before... I might as well be talking to a wall with you and I've clearly explained why that is.

Feel free to have the last word.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

.

Censoring did not appear to become prominent until just after January/February of this year. I too found a lot of information prior to that that has introduced me to Dr. Paul.

Banners, signs, included "Google Ron Paul" on one side and "YouTube Ron Paul" on the other.

Plus, MY banners were WAYYYY bigger than yours.

j/k :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul