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The TWO Party System is our enemy.

It makes it so easy for banksters to pick both candidates, so that the general election means nothing.

Even now, war is such a big issue that it only makes logical sense, one candidate be FOR it and the other against. But because we have a two party system the banksters have stacked the deck to give us two prowar candidates.

Support Gary Johnson if ONLY to show we cannot be herded like cattle by the banksters.

Or, can we be?



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Or, can we be?

No. Typically the two, or so, million of "us" cannot be easily herded because we are prone to exercise critical thinking and to communicate with each other. It is not the "we" I worry about. It's the three hundred eight million of "them," the sheep, that concern me. And you know what? We really can't blame the two political parties for being the home of thuggery. Thugs will always gravitate to a target rich environment. The national problem in a nutshell is that those of us who work for a living are being overwhelmed by those of us who vote for a living. Unfortunately, no one has yet figured out a way to fix stupid.

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+1 Right there, THAT is the ugly truth

Right there :

"We really can't blame the two political parties for being the home of thuggery. Thugs will always gravitate to a target rich environment. The national problem in a nutshell is that those of us who work for a living are being overwhelmed by those of us who vote for a living."

THAT is the ugly truth.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

let's start the "American" party

i recently saw Kirk Douglas giving an interview at the motion picture academy and it was awesome what he said: "we have too many democrats and too many republicans and not enough Americans"

http://www.oscars.org/video/watch/ev_spartacus.html check it out at 5:35

screw the two parties, let's rub it in their faces and start the American party before it's too late

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We have too many TRAITORS

We have too many TRAITORS screwing too many asleep or numb Americans (in addition to us).

Let us continue waking up the latter so that the former can be brought...

... BEFORE JUSTICE by The People.

I'm afraid it's going to be difficult to find another way out.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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The two party system IS DEAD

The two party system IS DEAD.

Proof :

http://www.dailypaul.com/253846/why-would-congress-take-a-fi...

Now, LET US MOVE ON to something else.

And there : Your Mileage May Vary.

We are still FREE THINKING PEOPLE. USE YOUR BEST JUDGEMENT.

AFAIC, here's a recent reality check :

On The Brink to Insanity :

http://www.dailypaul.com/253853/on-the-brink-to-insanity

Bear, and

Peace.

For Liberty.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

No! The sitting Congress is our enemy

They demand payments to get protection and they play Santa Klaws for all the good little boys and girls.

The 62nd US Congress was pretty bad also. The 63rd United States Congress were the dirty rotten oath-breakers who gave us the Federal Reserve.

Then there were the rotters that passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

It was Congress that created the FEC and gave legal refuge to the duopoly.

In fact, after 111 Congresses some are finally beginning to realize that in spite of all the lobbying and voting Congress is our slave master.

It is sad to think that any government official, elected or hired, should get any Benefits or Pension. I guess the slaves owe their Masters.

Free includes debt-free!

Congress is still only a servant

Those who control the money are the real masters, and our true enemies, for the Congress merely works for them.

Restore sound money and it will put the money, and therefore power, back in the hands of the working people.

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I agree.

I agree.

Easier said than done, though.

But yes, it is one of the things we should, correction... we MUST thrive at.

Let us continue face reality and the ugly truth we have to cope with.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The rest of the story:

Liberty Party 2016!

Possibly the last Statesman of the Old Republic that tried to turn our country around, now its off the cliff of the status quo duopoly, unless those that are awake carry forward the message Dr. Ron Paul stated simply...Liberty!

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

right on, the liberty party

right on, the liberty party rings a nice bell

Liberty Bell Rally

When the like minded come together.

"Proclaim LIBERTY throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Bell

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

Count the vote

those who count the votes decide not those who vote.

I agree the duopoly system is rigged

we must try to shake up the duopoly to get some change. We seen what happened with Paul delegates, they done every illegal action to keep the status quo.

If we leave and vote for the Libertarian party in large numbers this will freak out the duopoly. In 2014 and 16 they will be much more respectful. When Ross Periot got close to 20% as a independent candidate everyone thought the GOP was in trouble. If it weren't for Ross, Bill Clinton would never had been President.

Garry has no chance to win I think to switch is only a strategic function to get what we want in the future.

Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe

Two parties are favored by law.

Other parties are legally disadvantaged and can be easily slapped down if needed.

Until we end the FEC which has crippled out election processes for 35 years, we are pretty much stuck with the duopoly.

Only Congress can repeal the Act or the Courts could strike it down.

Review the DNC and RNC 2012 conventions, not much support there to eliminate their comfortable duopoly.

Free includes debt-free!

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Well, sadly, at this point, I beg to differ

I'm afraid our enemy is not quite the two party system, as a matter of fact.

Our true enemy is THE STATE already.

For, we like it or not, it ALREADY controls, DE FACTO, either directly or indirectly, either by coercion or by having as accomplices, at minima :

1. the two party system

AND

2. the MSM

The tough question for us is how we're supposed to, or how we're going to deal with it, no matter what, preferably ! peacefully under an increasing oppression and denial of our rights.

However, there is hope, still.

Though largely corrupt, or incompetent, or indifferent, or confused, CONGRESS still ISN'T under our enemy's boot.

I appeal to all the young men and women, patriots of Liberty, and full of energy with more time on their hands than I have, TO PRESSURE as strongly as they can on their congressmen, or BETTER YET !

to enter congress for our voice be heard.

Also, I see personally the huge UNUSED potential of the WWW we could leverage better.

See my recent post on a crazy idea I had, out of the many, SUPER cheap things we could do with a significant impact, hopefully.

For Liberty !

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Turns out my own comment WAS SOMEWHAT FLAWED

Turns out my own comment WAS SOMEWHAT FLAWED, I should downvote myself.

Hint :

http://www.dailypaul.com/253846/why-would-congress-take-a-fi...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The TWO Party System is our enemy is FALSE

WE are our true enemy:

http://www.dailypaul.com/253815/so-you-are-completely-exhaus...

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I don't agree

The reason I don't agree is because you are offering nothing to replace it.

There are 36 third parties and they feed into both parties, with people and issues. Obama, for example was vetted in "The New Party", Ron Paul was vetted in the Libertarian party.

The NWO would like us to have a government like Communist China, where all parties are sub parties to a government owned and operated business party.

They are prepared to take over our duopoly.

So unless you have something to replace the duopoly, or want a monoply Party, I disagree with you because something, some type of government will fill that vacuum you are willing to lose.

Our Government is "We The People"

See my above post.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

We the people

Vs 10 fat cats and a bunch of dirty rats.

Liberty is screwed under any plurality voting system...

so let us look at alternative voting systems such as (http://www.fairvote.org/) or (http://rangevoting.org/). For more on why first pass the post voting is bad see (http://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo).

"The dearest ambition of a slave is not liberty, but to have a slave of his own."
Sir Richard Burton

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

The best part about a Strong 3rd Party

is that we increase the diversity of sell-out potential.

I'm tired of watching GOPs and Demmies hogging the sell-out lime-light; I want to someone with an alternative ideology sell-out.

[end sarcasm]

The best thing would be to form non-partisan daily-dollar-voting "unions" that set the goal of driving all expenses (or as many as possible), per individual, down to the local level (ONLY).

If you just have to participate in theft then do so ONLY at the local level.

If everyone refuses to participate in State or Central gov't and will only pay local taxes -- then we will be "closer" to how a free-society works.

Somehow "we" (RPers) think that we need to hijack the GOP or spend 100 years developing a "new party" when the Tea Party was literally hijacked in 6 to 9 months time (hahahahaha)?

It's bigger than that.

You are now up against the UN, the IMF, and the World Bank.

mind control

“Observation of God’s natural and revealed laws shows that submission like this is not godly. Rather it is an Old and new Testament sign of degenerate Christians, having no men in the land willing or able to protect the lives, properties and rights of individuals and society against tyrants – "Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything - you can't conquer a freeman; the most you can do is kill him.” Robert Heinlein

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

YES & NO Our real problem/enemy is:

1-CONCENTRATED POWER-

The Founders/Framers understood this and they did their best when writing the US CONSTITUTION to give us the best tools they could to guard against POWER being CONCENTRATED in a few hands.
They actually did a great job giving us great tools. Unfortunately, prior generations(and ours), for various reasons and not totally their fault, failed to understand the problem, the tools available to deal w/ the problem and/or how to use those tools

2-HUMAN NATURE-

Particularly that most of us and most of humanity do not understand human nature and how some common downsides of same have been a scourge on humanity since two or more humans tried to exist together on the same planet. All humans try to control the environment in which they live to varying degrees, some will try to do so to extreme degrees. The "other" humans are part of the environment in which all humans live.

Combine extremely concentrated power in the hands of humans that try to control the other humans to extreme degrees and you get what we see today and what has been the predominant way of the world since the appearance of humans; a few humans dominating the majority by brute force or the cowing effect of the potential application of "LEGAL" brute force.

The two party system is just a concentrated power scheme. We could start a new third party or become very active in an existing third party and those w/ concentrated power will quickly and easily defeat that strategy for escaping their dominance of the majority. Witness the "TEA PARTY".

Much more to say on this topic but the critical take away is that we cannot begin to win until we all understand the true nature of the problem we are up against.

We all wish this nightmare would go away yesterday if not sooner. If not then, then as quickly as possible. That completely understandable desire-impatience for things to be as they should be, when it drives our planning and action works powerfully to ensure we will fail. It sucks that some things cannot be built in a day nor can some things be dismantled in a day but not liking that fact will not make it untrue.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

The two party system is a result of our Constitution

"Winner take all" elections mean that only the two candidates publicly perceived as "strongest" will be worth voting for. Other votes will be perceived as mere symbolic protests. Contrast this with countries in which they use a Parliamentary system, giving proportionate representation to all parties, depending on how they do in the popular vote -- in such a system it IS worthwhile to vote for the candidate you like best, even if he/she is from a minor party.

This is one of many problems with the Constitution.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

The two party system is not in the constitution.

George Washington, in particular, warned against the dangers of party politics. The two party system results from state election laws. To wit:

1. Elections for each Congressional district. The constitution does not require states to hold elections like this. Congress abolished state wide multi-candidate Congressional elections in 1967, likely due to fear of discrimination against the voting rights of blacks. The law affected and changed the method of electing Congressmen in New Mexico and Hawaii:
http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=526
So the statewide proportional system was used in the U.S. not all that long ago.

2. The lack of runoff elections. This probably more than anything else in our system discourages voters from "wasting" their votes, and compels them to hold their noses and vote for the perceived lesser of two evils.

Both of these problems could be reformed at the state level without changing anything in the U.S. Constitution.

GJ's win or second place will change things

-- America will never be the same.

Thanks for posting.

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