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Writing in Ron Paul is like saying "I'm going to vote in my basement. I will write Ron Paul on a piece

of paper and put it under a cardboard box, in secret."

Nobody will ever know you did it - and it won't change the two party system at all.

And it might even invalidate your whole ballot, so that you vote for other Liberty candidates won't be counted either.



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If you don't vote for my guy, it's like saying your a

turd. What an enrolling argument. I think most people here on the Daily Paul understand by now their choices. Many even here even aspire to helping facilitate change between now and election day. But given no other choice I will likely vote for GJ because write-ins don't count in FL.

But keep up the fight maybe you'll someone to think this through.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

RON PAUL'S OPINION: Write-in Votes & Voting Third-party

We've been through this all before.

WRITE-IN VOTES:
"I don’t think that’s very productive. Supporters can do it, of course, but in most of the states it won’t count. And if they can change the rules in a primary and not count all the votes, imagine what they could do with write-in votes!"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/21556.html

VOTING THIRD PARTY
This excerpt is from the press conference held on September 10, 2008, which included presidential candidates Chuck Baldwin, Ralph Nader, and Cynthia McKinney. Ron Paul discusses the significance of third parties, saying that 60% of the American people were unhappy with their choice of presidential candidates. Of the 30-32% of Americans who elect the President, about half of these dislike both candidates and vote for "the lesser of 2 evils". He points out that this means only about 16% of the American people are voting for a candidate they actually like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LMoWqXrE4

I can only conclude that Ron Paul considers third party votes more effective than write-in votes.

NJ

Yeah, all the 3rd Parties except the Libertarian Party

They REFUSED to show up to RP's endorsement with their goofball Presidential candidate, neocon Bob Barr.

Instead in a side-show circus routine, he later threw his VP under the bus and demanded RP be it. That's how they repaid him after RP let Bob speak at his rallies.

Funny how you missed that historical blind spot.

Also Ron Paul says we can do whatever we want and recommends HAVING FUN to power the rEVOLution.

There is ZERO fun in voting for GJ, but a hell of a lot in writing in Ron Paul!

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Having "fun" doesn't mean

Having "fun" doesn't mean sabotaging potential and being careless/selfish for the sake of how great you get to feel.

Add critical thinking to your repertoire... and juuuust maybe your principles will actually have a positive affect on reality instead of being counter-productive.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

Is Goode any Good?

I really am trying to figure out what to do come November. If you have the time and inclination, I would appreciate any insite you have here: http://www.dailypaul.com/253758/is-goode-any-good-requesting...

Goode voted for the

Goode voted for the reauthorization of the Patriot Act in 2007.

But I'll know I wrote Ron

But I'll know I wrote Ron Paul in. I plan to take a photo of my ballot.

well.....then....

so here you are telling what I can and can not do? I will write in myself if I want to....

maybe it is you that lives under the cardboard box....

He didn't tell you what to do

He's making an observation on the futility of this option

I say again,

if you don't believe write-in votes are counted, they why do you believe ANY votes are counted? If there's no point in writing in a candidate, there's no point in voting, period.

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In some states apparently

write-ins are not allowed. Arkansas for example:
http://www.anamericanvision.com/info/state_certifications_re...

So there a write-in won't be counted, by definition.

But in other states write-in votes *are* counted, and although sometimes the vote totals for write-ins aren't reported until well after the election day, a sizable write-in for Ron Paul would send a visible message to the RNC.

And while I'm here let me talk to the people who want to work within the party. People voting for candidates other than Romney do *not* interfere with your strategy, so those who are trying so hard to prevent a visible protest vote, what's your purpose there?

Second, those who want to work within the party should be asking whether that's still a viable strategy after the rule change that makes a delegate strategy infeasible. Don't just do something because you think Ron Paul wanted it. He wouldn't want you to do it for just that reason. If you can't explain how it's supposed to work after the rule changes, and after the graphic demonstration that they can and will ignore the rules if they need to, then it's time to reconsider.

Finally, if you want to work within the party then you of all people should be motivated to send a message to the RNC that they can't shit on the Revolution and expect to get away with it. Watching them do what they did to Ron Paul and then turning around and helping Romney get elected is just nuts. Make them know that you aren't just a few votes on committees they can easily overrule, but that you're part of the liberty movement and while the RNC may have enough power to cheat that doesn't mean they can cheat and expect to get away with it.

Sometimes

But not in states where the write-ins are counted and reported. There a write-in for Ron Paul is every bit as much a visible protest vote as one for Johnson or Goode.

And everyone is an individual. Everyone should do what they think is right, and what they think is necessary for them to vote (or not to vote) with a clear conscience. Strategy is secondary to that, when there is more than one option you can support with a clear conscience.

I'm leaning toward voting for a candidate Ron Paul says is "wonderful." But that's me.

Principled decisions are

Principled decisions are their own reward, and I would suggest that if one worries more about being seen doing something than doing something they believe in, BECAUSE they believe in it, the position is probably unprincipled.

Think of Dr. Paul. He has said he expected to be a lone voice in the wilderness that no one would ever notice or pay attention to: the real surprise for him was that eventually people DID take notice. Ask yourself why people have taken notice, and you will understand it is because he has stood strong for his beliefs even when he thought no one was watching.

Those types of actions truly define a person, and I am proud to be able to vote for my beliefs without care of who sees--or doesn't see.

That being said, I genuinely believe the best action to effect change is widespread refusal to participate in the corrupt system. Countries lose face on the international stage when it comes to voting participation. Lack of participation de-legitimizes the government, and even despots tend to make concessions/reforms in order to give the appearance things are above board.

I don't disdain anyone who wants to stay home on election day; however, if you WILL cast a vote, you owe it to yourself and the country you want to live in to do so according to principle, whatever and whoever that may require you to vote for.

That answer...

is outstanding. Thank you for being principled too.

Thanks

Thanks! Once I understood why it took so many years for the message to catch on, I realized how much I owe it to myself and those I care for to conduct myself in the same way. Hearts and minds can always be won, but doing so is much easier for the honest man than the hypocrite.

I like how this thread is still here, but my

"Voting for Gary Johson is voting for SPAMMING & TROLLING the DailyPaul" thread got deleted and I got a ban threat from some mod for 'divisiveness'.

At least mine was 100% true.

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this post keeps getting

this post keeps getting blocked for some reason too. http://www.dailypaul.com/253517/why-has-post-official-write-...

It was about getting Paul on the write in ballots.

don't vote. it only

don't vote. it only encourages them.

Don't vote...

I would say that not voting encourages them. Apathy = no opposition.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

if nobody voted, who would

if nobody voted, who would win?

Nope every Vote is a consent to the system as is.

Every winning candidate only considers the positive. It is human nature.

You cannot vote in opposition to the system. You can only vote for the System's candidates.

How do I vote NO to the MSM?

I can switch channels but am still supporting the TV system.

If I am opposed to the MSM I turn off the TV.

Free includes debt-free!

Doesn't matter.

As someone said - the voting process is CORRUPT. Even the voting at the convention was rigged. My goodness...what is there to trust EXCEPT your own conscience.

Honor that.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

"Honor that."

Well said.

No One But Paul 2012. By write-in.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Voting for anyone,

And thinking you are making a difference in this country, is living in fantasy land! What is the difference? Look at how rules are broken, votes are stolen, and no one pays.

Yes you're right. I

Yes you're right. I understand your frustration, I'm frustrated too. That doesn't mean you throw your arms up and stop voting though. It will take at least a generation to undo what has been done in the last century.

It will not come by lobbying or voting.

It will come because the people demand liberty and nothing else.

Dr. Paul used his time to educate and give testimony to the liberty that has blessed his life, wife and family and many of his friends.

Voting has a place with all those who see a purpose in voting.

What if no one shows up to vote for President?

Most on the DP are still watching TV to find a candidate. They so badly want the MSM to manufacture a little consent for GJ to give their vote legitimacy.

Just turn off the TV, they are just trying to scare you into voting. They are paid to turn out the vote. They will lie to do it.

Turn off the TV and proclaim election Day Liberty Day.

Free includes debt-free!

Don't forget to Vote.

Government is the tyrant. It is always the tyrant. It has never been anything but a tyrant.

Don't forget to Vote. Support government tyranny. (unless you are free and brave!)

Free includes debt-free!

Amen!

Amen!

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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine

In my state, they LEGALLY can throw those ballots away.

Since RP's not a "certified" write-in candidate.

Hey, I'm not in love with the guy either, but as far as voting goes, I have only one choice, and that's Johnson. Unless I just stay home.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

What makes you think

that your Johnson vote is not going to be flipped to Romney? At least those who don't vote aren't unintentionally voting for the tyrants.