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Ayn Rand's first appearance on Johnny Carson: Hardly entertainment! Ha!

17 solid minutes of AR talking about "Objectivism", defense of Capitalism, Free Markets, Morality of Individual Rights, Right to Privacy, WAR...

Then there's Johnny Carson's attentive interest in the subject, as opposed to the person. That's rare. Hardly entertaining on a show that exists solely for entertainment—not serious idealogical types.

Notice the explosion of applause when she talks about undeclared wars, inscription, and the unconstitutionality of undeclared wars.

She also says her views, in the future, would be the norm. I think she was right. When Ayn came to this country we were already in the grips of communism which of course, she made a career of warning us about.

http://youtu.be/2DRetF4IRMw

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I don't think you get it, yet.

God is. And man's reason is not the highest authority by default... it is totally irrational. If Ayn took man's reason as rational and the highest authority man has then she failed to explain rational authority.

Sorry, still fallicious

Your fallacy in one of begging the question. It is like "assuming facts not in evidence" in a court. In order to make your arguement, you are assuming a god exists as part of the equasion. I cannot concede that point. So, I guess we are done.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

The evidence is reason itself.

That is why Ayn Rand failed when she failed to read "Bondage of the will" by Luther. If you are going to base a whole philosophy on man's reason being authority itself you better know your subject matter. Luther's debate with Erasmus is one of the top three writings that came out of the reformation. It is man's reason in supreme action. You can not want liberty without reading through the events of the reformation. So what if Ayn didn't believe God is... which (atheism) is not taken seriously by God at all because man' reason itself declares with overwhelming evidence that God is.

"Ayn Rand had proved...".

1 & 2 of 3... I sure would, for one, like to see your sources! Better yet, hers.

I know she was a self-proclaimed Atheist, but proof (sources)of your 1 & 2 statements would be appreciated.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

John

Will you return me the thumb up back if I do?

I will do just one, in order not to deny you pleasure of your own work, instead of getting everything for free as a parasite.

1) Check work of Austrian economist Hans-Hermann Hoppe on "natural law." The logical proof is there. Moreover, Murray Rothbard himself had admitted Hoppe' proof. That was the hard blow, since it came decade later after Ayn Rand from within Rothbard own camp. Academics ignored Ayn, but could not ignore their own colleagues.

Sorry, Liberty,

can't return something I never gave you in the first place. So don't bother 'sparing me'...

1) Duly noted. TY. Will 'check'. LOL. Why so sensitive?

Not sure whose the parasite here, tho. I didn't make any statements; you did. No problem, tho. Just asking. TY.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

If you read

Ayn Rand, you will get familiar with that phrase mental or intellectual "parasites." I thought you have read....

Yo Mods!

Hope it's within your powers to change my blunder "Objectionism" to "Objectivism" within the body. Sure would appreciate it. Kinda embarrassing...otherwise.

It's a phonetics problem I seem to have acquired.

THX!

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

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Done J

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mucho mucho gracias, M!

.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

Objectivism vs Volunteerism

Certainly, volunteering for your own cause needs not attention, and yet, the seeking of others welfare is a waste of energy.

I would not want a President Ayn.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Volunteerism is still a form

Volunteerism is still a form of self indulgence... You feel good after you volunteer for something, it's entirely personal. If you hated volunteering for people, you wouldn't be doing it.

A little balance. Rand on the

A little balance.

Rand on the Donahue show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU
Ayn Rand on Israel and the Middle East.

She definitely wasn't a peace maker. Her positions are neocon, zionist, and extremely racist towards Arabs.

Than again she has rape scenes in Atlas Shrugged, and calls hispanics spics, so what they hey. SHRUG.

(get rid of your morals and concerns. Sell your soul to the witch. SHRUG).

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Why didn't Ayn Rand mention the violence that must have been...

...initiated against the Palestinian people in 1947 when they were displaced by the newly created Israeli borders?

Her outburst against the Arabs surprised me when she advocates so strongly against violence initiated by anyone onto anyone else.

AND - When she claimed that the Jews are the only advanced and civilized nation in the middle east, it must be stated how much of their money and technology came from the United States TAXPAYER.

They could not even have been established as a nation (which was based on creed alone) without U.S. dollars and U.S foreign aid over the last 60 years - and continuing on into infinity.

Of course ANY NATION would be the most advanced nation in a region if they received the hundreds of billions of dollars and military equipment which Israal has from us since 1948.

So Ayn Rand (who I always respected) was just WRONG on this issue.

FORCE was used to kick untold numbers of Palestinians out of their homes after World War II so it's no wonder they are still bitter today.

While I certainly agree we should have liberated the Jews from the Nazi concentration camps, I think it was a huge mistake for us to have created a foreign state based only upon a religious belief.

Our founders WARNED us against that kind of thing and we will never be safe now because of the lingering animosity from the millions of misplaced people in that region.

Talk about "entangling alliances" which Jefferson warned us to avoid.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Sure

lovers of Sharia Law are offended that Ayn had rejected nationalization of private property by 3rd world countries.

Ayn was against wars, but argued that if we started a war (Vietnam), we should finish (win) it ASAP and do not repeat mistakes in the future (and no nations building.) Moreover, in contrast to late von Mises, Ayn Rand was against military draft.

Ayn Rand, like Albert Einstein and others, were Zionists and saw nothing wrong with it. Should we advocate returning Texas and California to Mexico?

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"The U.S. foreign policy has been disgraceful for years,...

for decades, roughly since the New Deal." - Ayn Rand

That Ayn Rand quote continues to be 100% true. Also, Atlas Shrugged published in 1957 is happening right before our eyes right now, 55 years later. That is also very timely forecasting, IMO, just like Orwell's 1984.

This interview took place in 1980 after the winter Olympics took place. A lot has happened in the last 32 years that could have perhaps made her see things in a different light then she stated back then. Her Objectivism would force her to change her way of thinking knowing what we now know.

Her first 30 sec. was most telling.

I wonder if — AR was alive today — if she would be blowing off the "backwards" Arabs or the tyrannical USA given the knowledge, skepticism today towards our govt. which she warned about her entire life.

Just saying, her life and purpose here preceded the Middle-East empire building.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

It was on purpose my opinion.

It was on purpose my opinion. She wanted to split the conservative movement. Her most famous work is written like a Marxist dialectic, and she confuses Aristotelian logic and objectivity on purpose I believe.

Greenspan, former head of the federal reserve, was part of her inner circle.

I always have gotten by well in life with the idea that how people mistreat others in front of you, is how they'll mistreat you when you aren't around.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Before I make

a complete ass out of myself, which work are you referring to as her 'most famous'? I've read them all, but I must admit, she was a taboo and degenerate 'philosopher' where I went to school. I was told — as a philosophy major — to ignore her.

(Did we go to the same school?)

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

Atlas Shrugged. (the one

Atlas Shrugged. (the one also being advertised).

I post on it every once in awhile. It was intended as a farce, but no one gets it. And if she hadn't been a nasty person in real life, it might even be a good farce. Making a parody or like thing a serious work has problems though in real life.

Some observations:
The title is from something one of the "smartest" characters in the book says, where he claims Atlas was holding up the world. Atlas was holding up the sky - what, was Atlas upside down? The TITLE is wrong, in a farcical way. The same character mentions coming to see the farce in a different chapter. It is what it is.

The first line!! of the book is plagiarized from the Driver, the most used one in the book. And it is significant, because the two books relate.

The original book is dedicated to her husband and the guy she was having an affair with. Tacky at best, but pretty sick.

She divides her sections into Aristotle's three laws of thought - for being the only one she owes anything to. This is pretty odd for a book on anything closely related to objectivity (if)you mean the scientific method. Francis Bacon and others wrote reams on the problems of Aristotle's method and objectivity. And it isn't clear what she means, but she doesn't get her logic right either, and it looks .. kindof farcical.

Most of her chapter names seem rather odd too, in a farcical way. (get more millage analyzing it on your own).

At least three things in her author background are just not true.

That is before you get past the first line.

Welcome to hell.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

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1984 was written as a satire,.. Animal Farm, an allegory.

When one writes a book, no one knows how it will be received or its longevity.
You find lots of things odd about Ayn Rand as you do others, and anything you find odd you seem to attack, is my impression.

How many great books have been banned by governments throughout recent history? Atlas Shrugged was never banned, but you sound like you would have wanted it that way. Many great books were banned including the Bible, Koran, Uncle Tom's Cabin, 1984, Brave new World, The Age of Reason, To Kill a Mocking Bird, etc.
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/banned-books.html

You also seem to be hung up on plagiarism (and people's personal lives).

George Harrison plagiarized the first line of the song "Something" from James Taylor. It provided a starting point for Harrison's song, which was better than Taylor's version, like Atlas Shrugged was better than The Driver.

Interesting!

Seriously, TY.

But I don't think a philosopher's personal background nor the medium for which they choose to present their philosophy has much to do with their sincerity or the veracity of their argument, or philosophy.

Indeed, AR was unique. For sure. But then, Dr. Paul, by training is an OBgyn, not an Economist, not a politician. (I'm going back a ways, now, when "expertise" depended on training and competence, not a College degree.)

Could you not agree tho, AR's 'philosophy' was 'a priori', having lived under Communism? So she chose to deliver her 'philosophy' as such: Personally - via novels - not academically?

So what if she got the Atlas myth a little wrong.(TY BTW. I myself always saw the Earth on Atlas's shoulders, not the HEAVENS. Oh, well. My bad!)

But how does that change the validity of her premises?

That's rhetorical, actually. Because I consider her as much a politician as a philosopher. A closeted Statesman, maybe.

Greenspan surely was entranced with her in those days. But HER ideas are living on.

Greenspan is alive and well, I hope, and forever disgraced.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

So it's the philosophy of lying?

It does when you put it in your book, and you lie to the reader. This isn't all her background, this is just stuff that has been in since the very first edition of that book.

So it's the philosophy of lying. Fine, but I'm not a liar, so I'm not interested.

FYI - making things up would be subjectivism, not objectivism, plus worse.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

WTF?!!!

You're losing it, MaxK.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

FYII always get angry when I

FYI

I always get angry when I see the extreme hypocrisy of racism of this sort.

46 second mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU&feature=player_de...

Here's the Talmud with a bunch of rabbi's talking about when it is lawful to sacrifice your children to Molech and how to do it legally.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_64.html#64b

Israel isn't advanced and Arabs are barbarians. It's religion is in the stone age if not before.

Rand said she was an atheist, but the only people she surrounded herself with were Jewish according to her biographers - which hardly makes it an intellectual movement, because real intellect isn't race based, it's individually based.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Funny

You have missed Barbara...

and this ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSEFQh88s5w

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I was just as impressed with Carson as I was w/Ayn Rand.

Carson brings out the best in the people he interviewed.

Compare this great Carson interview with the Mike Wallace interview, which was quite confrontational from the get go. Interruptions and attacks abound. Ayn Rand rises to the Wallace attacks just like Ron Paul did with Hannity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKsv_SX4Y

Thanks so much JohnPhillipSousa for posting this story.
See you back at "The Gulch."

Spot on, SteveMT—

"Ayn Rand rises to the Wallace attacks just like Ron Paul did with Hannity." [And all the rest!]

She was so committed and a stick to your guns kinda gal, just like RP. Carson did himself proud, at great personal risk, I'd guess. Bravo, Johnny.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

If everyone in the world would take 17:34 to watch this video...

the world would be MUCH better off.

Thanks for posting. I hadn't watched this one since a couple of months ago.

I would have married that woman.

I wish something like this would make it to the front page.

thanks