Is GOODE any GOOD? Requesting Opinions on Voting Constitution Party
Submitted by bear on Fri, 09/07/2012 - 13:05I absolutely cannot vote for Romney or Obama. I have considered writing in Dr. Paul’s name. I have considered not voting at all. I am also considering the Constitution Party.
I just found Dr. Paul last year and was quite devastated over the way he and our delegates were treated at the RNC. I also realize Dr. Paul has asked us to retake the GOP. I am floundering on what to do next.
That being said, I am still looking for a presidential candidate with whom I can agree this year. If my Friends of Liberty would be so kind, I would appreciate your thoughts on the Constitution Party. I have heard they are Pro-War, but I just looked today and did not see that. I think a lot of you all out there are a lot smarter than I when it comes to Liberty principles so I would appreciate your help.
If you could take the time, please see the CP platform: http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php and let me know what you think regarding how that party lines up with Liberty.
The 2012 Presidential Candidate is Virgil Goode: http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/the-issues.html
Any time you can provide is much appreciated!



















Go to ontheissues.com
You can read candidate's voting records on many key issues. You can also scroll down and see where they sit on the Nolan Chart. Incidentally Gary Johnson is closer on the Nolan Chart to Ron Paul than Rand, Goode, and Justin Amash.
GJ is close to RP except for
GJ is close to RP except for the very basic principle of Liberty. RP says "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...
Not to sound snarky, but why
Not to sound snarky, but why not read Goode's platform, read the CP platform, check out Goode's past voting record, and form your own opinion?
Snarky is welcome :)
Thank you for weighing in. I did read those links but my concern is that I do not truly understand the concepts of Liberty. As you can see, my ID is less than a year old. I am a baby in Liberty. I wanted seasoned Friends of Liberty to take a look at those links as well and give me their opinions. I am also in the process of reading 2 of Dr. Paul's books so that I can understand better. This is all new to me. I have voted straight ticket Republican for the last 30 years. I have been part of the problem. Now I want to be part of the solution.
In short the LP and CP both
In short the LP and CP both believe in adherance to the constitution as it is written.
A former key difference between the two was the LP's platform as it pertains to abortion (pro-choice) and the CP is pro-life. Going from memory the LP has removed any particular stance on abortion since some libertarians are pro-life.
Check out Goode's Platform as well as GJ's and see which appeals to you more.
Personally I wish the two parties would merge and call themselves the American Party.
Thanks!
RP says “"Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...
Which is the main reason I believe I will be voting VG since GJ does not understand the first step in protecting liberty. However, I just wanted to know from my Friends of Liberty their thoughts on the Virgil Goode as well as enter his name into the 3rd party discussion here at the DP. I am able to read the platforms and form my own opinions. This post was to generate the opinions of others.
CP is not known for compromising -- CP will not have ballot
access in all states. It could be that CP will be write-in in some states. Goode looks to be an acceptable candidate. Signs for write-ins should not be old signs written on, they should be new signs so it is clear that this person is write-in, otherwise it could be thought that thats just an old sign. There are only a few states where Grandfather Paul can be write-in without registering 1st, not voter registration. Signs can be ordered from vendors.
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E.
He will be on the ballot in
He will be on the ballot in Missouri and there is also a CP candidate for my federal congressional district who I will vote for instead of Vicky Hartzler who does not seem understand how the war on terrorism is gutting the Bill of Rights as shown by her voting record even after several letters to her.
His record
Is subpar as he supported the wars and the Patriot Act. The Constitution Party itself is fine in my view, but they would have been better off had they nominated Chuck Baldwin again.
I have received some comments
I have received some comments that VG has "woken up," and some of his newer documentations states that he is against the Patriot Act and NDAA where they infringe upon the rights of US Citizens: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/11767-vir...
Is this just election year speech, or does his voting record really speak for him? There are also a other areas where he differs from Dr. Paul as well.
Trial by Jury
It may be that authority must be abdicated in almost all things, and here too it may help to seek that authority from outside the individual, by asking God, or by asking someone who listens to God better than most, or for those who reject notions of God, seek that authority and find that authority, on this question - please.
Is there anything, at any time, that requires an individual to defend their own authority, and that thing, at that time, demands from the individual an irrefutable Stand on Self Determination, or individual judgment, or personal POWER OF WILL, or soul reaching righteousness?
Anything?
Anyone?
Or are we all a bunch of sheep, giving up Life, and therefore Liberty, for anyone, or any external power, ordering our sorry behinds to obey each command without question?
No, Joe, I can hear the well washed brains, suffering from their various levels of behavioral modification, response conditioning, manufactured consensus, etc., no, no, it, IT, it, is not Black and White.
It is grey.
We, these human beings, we people, we kind of, sort of, and ambiguously, obey, or don't obey, according to external powers, external pressures, and our internal quasi judgements are subject to what we can get away with, what other people allow, what our individual will power can do, so long as we don't get caught doing?
Greyness?
Joe asks, not God asking, not Government asking, not the Judge asking, not the Law Enforcement Punisher Asking, just me, just one person, just one individual, asks if there is anything, at all, that another person will retain as being within their exclusive sphere of authoritative POWER?
I'm not alone either.
I happen to be married to someone who says that if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything.
So what, then, is the Stand, the line in the sand, whereupon the Sheep People no longer accept the fate of being subjected to any demand from any POWER outside their own self aware BEING?
All you sheeple, on command, bend over, right now.
You, yes you, may want to read a word or two on ONE case of ONE line being drawn in sand, in time, in a place, and then know better as to those POWERS that work so well at erasing such lines drawn in such sands in OUR TIME.
Here:
http://www.barefootsworld.net/trial01.html
or
Here:
http://archive.org/details/trial_jury_ba_0811_librivox
What is the point?
Who is the boss of you?
Look in the mirror.
You will again be at a point where the power struggle leaves you no option to give up your authority, too bad for you, you are your boss.
You will be your own boss at a time and place, even if it is judgment day and God gives you one last multiple choice question, so get your ducks in a row sinners!
That does happen, and you can shoot the messenger while you can, because you have that authority too, in your own mind.
Shoot the messenger while you can.
You will be, someday, the only boss.
You will be at a point where the power struggle leaves you no choice other than to decide, without external power, only you, just you, and you have to be the ONE judge, and what you decide is what you have to pay for, one way or the other.
No more room for excuses.
Pay or pay more, no time left for evasion of responsibility.
Get to the point?
If you give up authority to someone who claims that your choice, at that time, removes your authority from you from then on, then you may want to rethink such a decision YOU make at that time, because the PERSON you give such authority to will then claim that it was YOU who gave THEM everything YOU gave them, without exception, YOU gave THEM the whole enchilada, the whole 10 yards, and YOU bet the FARM on THEM being GOOD for YOU FOREVER.
Grey?
Sleep sheep sleep?
Look at the mist, sheep, it is so, so, grey.
It is so, so, so-so.
Run Slave run, right into the trap, here are your papers, and you no longer have any time to read Trial by Jury, because you have The Script that says the same thing, over, and over, and over again.
I owe, I owe, so off to work I go, to pay my taxes with my dollars, I owe, I owe.
Run slave run.
What is the point, Joe, I wish you would get to the point.
Me?
I'm blowing smoke, and using mirrors, and YOU have yet to read Trial by Jury?
How about an experiment?
Think.
If you were called to Jury Duty and you didn't find a way out, and you sat on the Jury and you think, and think, and you decide, and you have had enough, and you now want to either PUNISH that person who you may have presumed to be innocent, or you want to set that person free from PUNISHMENT by other people, because you may have presumed that person to be guilty, and THINK with your own BRAIN, please, please, please, about the following scenario.
What if the person you are going to either PUNISH with your POWER to do so, or protect from PUNISHMENT with your POWER to do so, is a JUROR who allowed a TAX EVADER to be allowed to walk free despite the charge of tax evasion charged against him, or her, because of his, or her, or their refusal to pay a Federal Income Tax to The IRS, which is a faceless, soulless, Communist Bureaucracy, a FRAUDULENT Fictional Being, and failure to pay IS PUNISHED without exception, so as to keep ALL THE SUBJECTS PAYING without question.
What?
Joe is a nut?
That is the set-up, and you can use your imagination, you can look for previous cases of such things, to see if such things are real, and you can imagine the POWER held in your own hands, legally, to PUNISH or secure an individual's LIBERTY from PUNISHMENT, on your exclusive ORDER, your POWER, your AUTHORITY, within limits.
What limits?
Well...
Now.
You alone can set the accused free from PUNISHMENT, but it takes 11 of the same Legally Franchised Judges to allow PUNISHMENT to be EXECUTED.
One, individual, one person, one human being, randomly selected from the entire body of citizens, can break the chains that bind each citizen to their benevolent dictators, or to their violent oppressors, just one, anyone, like taking out a phone book and randomly picking a name, and asking that one person, yea, or nay, on the question at hand, handed to you right now, in "theory", or in practice, depending upon actual reality.
I actually have my Jury notice reminding me of the call to action.
Someone is going to give me the POWER to punish, or the POWER to secure LIBERTY for my fellow citizen?
Really?
There aught to be a law against such nonsense as this idea that one individual, especially that Joe guy, no way, they can't just let anyone have such POWER, can they?
The point:
Pretend that you are to judge the juror and the executioner who set a tax evader free.
Is that too much work?
How about some help?
Google Searching for IRS acquittal jury.
Three words.
IRS
Acquittal
Jury
Google it. Do it now slave. Oh, wait, I'm not the authorities, so you can decide not to obey my order. You can question my order. I can't make you Google those three words.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=IRS+acquittal+...
How about a tinyurl?
http://tinyurl.com/8cwzc7x
BREAK
Too much work? The anti-counter-revolutionary enemies of our enemies who are our friends can't agree on who is friend from foe anymore?
How about the first link in the first page in the search for data concerning a Trial by Jury when enforcing Fraudulent payments of Legal Debt to the Frauds who create that debt and hand their victims the bills?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroN2uRbIMc
I'm watching, and then I'll comment.
"At that point I felt betrayed."
Powerless sheep?
Really?
All I can do is hand someone else my authority?
And, and, and, I have to hand my authority to either of two very evil people?
Quote time:
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_and_Elaine_Brown
You are powerless
You are powerless
You are powerless
You are powerless
Really?
Joe
Competitive Linchpin?
I am in the process of reading Trial by Jury by Spooner. Josf, our Liberties rest in that concept as far as I can see. Is it something that needs to be reinstituted? IMO, that one single concept would take care of everything. What is needed? A Constitutional Amendment? What? IMO that would take care of our 3 points. End the Fed, IRS, bring the troops home. What do you think? I think it is the competitive link that is missing from everything. Maybe we wouldn't even need competitive currencies so much if we had true trial by jury? Because that alone would keep everything in check.
But at some time, and I am only in chapter 2 so Spooner may answer, Trial by Jury must have been lost in England because the church became dominant and Believers were persecuted. People were burned at the stake for translating and printing the Bible in English, etc. Or maybe "peers" became so influenced they no longer understood the principles of Liberty...like today in our Land? Anyways things were so bad people fled to America. So I am trying to understand that portion of history.
I haven't read the Articles of Confederation, but do you know if Trial by Jury was addressed in them? I gave someone this link yesterday: http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=65 In that link you will find the words:
“But sir, our constitution of government is not specific. Our ancient charter, together with the laws made coincident therewith, were adapted as the basis of our government at the time of our revolution. And such has been our laws and usages, and such still are, [so] that Religion is considered as the first object of Legislation, and therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of the State) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights”
I wonder what “ancient charter” is being referenced? But it sounds to me like the Danbury Baptists were not fairing so well under a Democratic Federated Republic. Or was their state maybe still practicing some law as set forth under English rule? I guess that could be the case.
If you can tell me, why is not true Trial by Jury the missing link to Liberty, and why does Dr. Paul not speak to it? Or maybe he does and my ears are not keen to it. Maybe economics is just at curtain hiding Liberty via Trial by Jury?
Epiphany!
Yes, yes, this is the POWER that avoids monopoly, peacefully, reasonably, voluntarily, agreeably, and so hope is now visible from the dark despair of abject misery purchased with falsehood?
"Maybe we wouldn't even need competitive currencies so much if we had true trial by jury?"
What you begin to see, when beginning to see what works IN Liberty, does work IN Liberty, such as competitive currencies, and Trial by Jury, so there is hope, in you, an individual.
What is left to do?
Numbers.
Math is a tool that can help us to accurately measure our individual POWER, one added to one, making two, two each adding one more, making four, four making eight, and so on.
How does Liberty work?
It is POWER, and it works in numbers, in opposition to nature, where we must cooperate and dominate nature, going forth and multiplying, and we, our numbers, have at least one other chore that can't be avoided, because our opposition targets us, and intends to exploit us, so we are forced to deal with them.
How do we deal with them?
We volunteer our time and energy in the necessary work required to AVOID those who wish to enslave us?
or
Does someone have a supposedly better idea?
1.
Voluntarily welcome Fellow Friends of Liberty into a cooperative, and mutually beneficial, aggregate sum total of work done to AVOID being victim to people who work to enslave us.
2.
Demand from each other absolute obedience in the practice of providing the means by which we suffer as we work more and more to make our criminal overlords more powerful, because that is the only way we can see to punish everyone who is bad, which is everyone, while we try desperately to get away with our own crimes, avoid getting caught, in this wild orgy of might making right at the expense of any innocence left unmolested?
What happened to Common Sense, it went the same way as Trial by Jury?
Seriously, you are beginning to see, and why are we, then, choosing Fraud money that costs us everything, and makes a very few people absolutely POWERFUL?
That is called a choice?
Love it or leave it?
Are you serious?
"So I am trying to understand that portion of history."
Jurors were bought off, bribed, paid to stand instead, or hired as replacements, an abdication that favored the despots among us, if I remember well.
"I wonder what “ancient charter” is being referenced? But it sounds to me like the Danbury Baptists were not fairing so well under a Democratic Federated Republic. Or was their state maybe still practicing some law as set forth under English rule? I guess that could be the case."
That may have been a reference to Magna Carte, I don't know, but that time period between 1776 and 1788, as an example of what can work, an example of a more Voluntary form of self government (voluntary means self), was not perfect for many reasons, those days were very turbulent in many ways compared to the average Cost/Benefit measure today, or the average Cost of Living/Standard of Living enjoyed, making people happy, today.
In The Pursuit of Happiness, such as running away from people who intend on burning you at the stake: the Ocean journey was not an affordable Cabin on a Luxury Liner.
Stepping back, as I tend to do, to see the big picture, consider, please, such things as Egyptians finding the POWER to build Pyramids, without electricity, and without Bulldozers.
Is the POWER being used to make might right (Legal Crime) or is the power being used to make more power (Liberty)?
How much POWER is in the total supply?
In Liberty each individual pays for their own mistakes, if they waste their power, they may depend upon true charity, and they may learn not to make the mistake over and over again.
In Legal Crime the victims provide the means by which we suffer and that suffering just so happens to make some people very happy, so long as they can pass on the suffering, the costs, to their victims.
"If you can tell me, why is not true Trial by Jury the missing link to Liberty, and why does Dr. Paul not speak to it? Or maybe he does and my ears are not keen to it. Maybe economics is just at curtain hiding Liberty via Trial by Jury?"
Ron Paul is a specialist, and he set the bar very high, as to what can be done in that special field, a Statesman, not a Juror, and there may be much to learn by his example, such as the decision to focus on a very narrow beam of POWER aiming at a few very troubling concerns. Omission can be a willful crime, or it can be a balance of power issue, along the lines of triage?
If you had 3 things only, what would those three things be, on your special to do list today?
1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
NO MORE LEGAL CRIMINALS running The Military
The Ron Paul example, if used by a Juror, can be good too, as we can find ways to avoid resort to deceit, threats of violence, and violence upon anyone, including the guilty?
Joe
Lawyers and Bankers
It has taken me a while to answer here because I read your many replies that day and there was a lot I could not understand. I decided to check back today.
“Jurors were bought off, bribed, paid to stand instead, or hired as replacements, an abdication that favored the despots among us, if I remember well.”
There you go: Political Entropy…Criminals at work to make the victims weaker, themselves more powerful, and some allegiant to and part of their game so as to make Crime Legal and themselves Legal Criminals.
RE: Liberty “It is POWER, and it works in numbers, in opposition to nature, where we must cooperate and dominate nature, going forth and multiplying, and we, our numbers, have at least one other chore that can't be avoided, because our opposition targets us, and intends to exploit us, so we are forced to deal with them.”
The Numbers Game of Liberty = Ectropy?
Ectropy is difficult because it works against the natural grain of entropy?
“Ron Paul is a specialist, and he set the bar very high, as to what can be done in that special field, a Statesman, not a Juror, and there may be much to learn by his example, such as the decision to focus on a very narrow beam of POWER aiming at a few very troubling concerns. Omission can be a willful crime, or it can be a balance of power issue, along the lines of triage?”
Yes, I understand the narrow beam of Power. But if that narrow beam of Power were directed at reinstating True Trial by Jury, would not that single thing, Trial by Jury, cause the Fed to end, cease the IRS, and bring the troops home…all thru the court of law? When the laws are made by the people would not the people set the course toward Liberty?
What will happen if we End the Fed, End the IRS, and Bring the Troops home, but do not have True Trial by Jury?
Is Liberty based on competitive money alone or must we have competitive law as well?
If we have competitive law first, will we not have competitive money also?
If we have competitive money alone, will that guarantee competitive law?
If we do not have competitive law how long will we have Liberty with competitive money?
Counterfeit Lawyers and Counterfeit Bankers
Who uses the power they steal to make their power to steal more powerful?
My wife and I are speaking to each other in the car and she has a lot of irons in the fire, dealing with Bank (a competitive bank UNDER ONE MONOPOLY BANK dividing the competitors and conquering them) employees who are actually middle men, contractors, and ultimately there are people moving from the home that someone says they can no longer afford, and my wife says:
And they are getting a lawyer because they say that the Bank did not threat them right.
And I say, well, I hope things go well (to a Jury Trial) and they get to stay in their home for free.
My wife responds with, no, only the Lawyers will win, these people will have to move, one way or the other.
And I think, that is a familiar story, since, if you can know, my brother is in Hinkley, and there are lawyers pounding the pavement, smelling blood, like Erin Brockovich, who in the movie appears to be a hero, sure, but a very well paid hero.
Why?
Because equity is made scarce on purpose. Anyone seeking a redress of grievance, needing it desperately, is willing to pay a very high price for the counterfeit version, and then they are left even weaker, having paid too much for nothing, and now the Law Power turns into Lawful Crime, and worse that getting nothing for something.
Why?
The Few have figured out how to make what they do Legal, while they employ themselves in the work of punishing everyone else, who, as victims, are trying desperately to copy the example (might makes right), failing miserably, and are therefore trampled under foot, with Jack Boots on them.
If you can afford to be a lawyer, skull and bones, then you can afford to set aside morality, principle, sympathy, empathy, righteousness, the fear of God, the hatred of evil, conscience, reason, logic, and common sense, having abandoned all that, setting a fine example, might making right, then there is cash, not just Federal Reserve Notes either, that stuff is for the victims, you, my dear fellow grasshopper, can get the Gold too.
What is on the to do list at that point?
Troll every community looking for desperate people and then dangle a counterfeit solution to their problems, and all they have to do to cash in, is to play by the rules?
What rules?
The current rules, of course, not yesterdays rules, not the rules ruled in the last few seconds, no, no, no, the rules that rule are handed down from above.
Above?
No, not that far above, of course not, there are people in offices, and they have magic check books.
They can buy anyone, and therefore they can buy almost anything.
So, again, it seems to me, Trial by Jury is integral, but the target is The FED, and the solution is the same thing, and the target is The IRS, and the solution is the same thing, and the target is the criminals ordering The Troops to commit Legal Crimes, and very bad ones at that, and the solution is the same thing again.
Competition.
The FED goes down when we compete, inventing, producing, and maintaining competitive money, which can be worse money, more deceptive money, if we are better criminals, or it can be what?
Accurate money?
Money that is high in the POWER it contains?
Power to Purchase?
Purchase anything, including a lot of people who are deceived?
No.
Accurate Productive POWER is better money.
It is better because it has launderability?
No.
It is better because it is actually POWERFUL, such as electricity, which is either/or productive or destructive according to a very narrow measure of reality - having no power to launder it, no power to falsify it, and no power to deceive anyone.
What is a watt?
It is POWER.
Anyway, diverging too far, and returning to the point:
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RE: Liberty “It is POWER, and it works in numbers, in opposition to nature, where we must cooperate and dominate nature, going forth and multiplying, and we, our numbers, have at least one other chore that can't be avoided, because our opposition targets us, and intends to exploit us, so we are forced to deal with them.”
The Numbers Game of Liberty = Ectropy?
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Yes, and the word has been sent into the corn field, on down into the Memory Hole, and it can't even be spell checked without internal authority, and some searching by way of researching or some competitive method of finding the accurate spelling of the word Ectropy.
The meaning intended is what?
Use the scarce supply of productive power in such an effective way as to increase the scarce supply of productive power into a condition of greater abundance?
The opposite of consuming power in the work of destroying things, and destroying the things that produce more power, and therefore the power that is required to sustain life grows exponentially less abundant, reaching a point of scarcity whereby the fewer and fewer life forms dying from starvation will cut each others throats for their exclusive miniscule section of the exponentially smaller amount of power as power reduces to nothing?
Why did Stalin order all that wheat destroyed?
Why did the specialists running The Brain Trust during the Great Depression order all those Cattle to be killed and buried?
That was how World Wars are purchased. Pay evil people a lot of money to do what they do best, and like Magic, like the magic check book, who could imagine what could happen, when we provide everything we hold dear to be the means by which we suffer?
We provide (everything) the means by which we suffer.
What can we expect to get for that investment?
Liberty?
Freedom from Life?
The opposite of happiness, unless torture and mass murder make us really happy?
"Ectropy is difficult because it works against the natural grain of entropy?"
Here is the God concept again, mere human beings trying to image the impossible, whereby some POWER somehow causes so much creation where, obviously, there was so little creation before that POWER somehow causes so much creation.
Call it whatever you want, read the righteous words in The Good Book, and call that creation POWER the words in that book, sure, but failing to "believe" that the POWER exists?
How much POWER does it take, put a measure on it, a wild guess, as to the full measure of the POWER required to create more than a grain of sand, more than a few planets, more than a dozen solar systems, more than a million galaxies, and a mere human being is going to claim authority over another human being?
Sure, sure, I get it, a child of mine aught to be forced by me to stop running into busy streets, but do I have to tell them not to look at the sun?
Who is telling them to provide the means by which we suffer?
You?
I don't teach stupid to my kids, they, and I, can manage all the stupid anyone else can manage all on their own, they, and I, don't need help being stupider.
So who is claiming that Man has authority over other Men, to save the children, no less?
You?
Not me.
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“Ron Paul is a specialist, and he set the bar very high, as to what can be done in that special field, a Statesman, not a Juror, and there may be much to learn by his example, such as the decision to focus on a very narrow beam of POWER aiming at a few very troubling concerns. Omission can be a willful crime, or it can be a balance of power issue, along the lines of triage?”
Yes, I understand the narrow beam of Power. But if that narrow beam of Power were directed at reinstating True Trial by Jury, would not that single thing, Trial by Jury, cause the Fed to end, cease the IRS, and bring the troops home…all thru the court of law? When the laws are made by the people would not the people set the course toward Liberty?
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Yes, of course, once good people stop being stupid, Trials will happen each morning, as each Juror wakes up with an even better outlook, once Deceit from "above" is put in the right place, by each newly woke up Friend of Liberty, and they will get out of bed, and they will go to act upon these new Trials, these new Judgements, and they will pass judgement, in or out of an official court, and we win.
The Ron Paul example highlights specific goals to wake up the Jurors who are not Judging, and once they awake, one individual at a time, they can decide which, in their own special way, is more important first, use better money, or get on a Jury.
Which can be done first?
Can I stop paying Federal Income Tax first, or should I set a few people free first, so how do I do that, exactly, today?
In real time?
I have a JUROR notice hanging on my computer tower right next to the keyboard.
Can someone go down to the court and volunteer to be a Juror?
How many people does it take doing how many special things individually, whereby the total sum of individual acts result in the end of the IRS?
Ron Paul hasn't thought this out?
I have not thought this out?
You are just now thinking this out?
How does one seed become a garden?
"What will happen if we End the Fed, End the IRS, and Bring the Troops home, but do not have True Trial by Jury?"
I think the answer is no such thing can happen, but which Trial by Jury do YOU have in mind?
Actual Trial by Jury or Counterfeit Trial by Jury?
What POWER moves closer toward the counterfeit version?
What POWER moves closer toward the opposite goal?
"Is Liberty based on competitive money alone or must we have competitive law as well?"
You see, but you may not see fully yet, and the POWER is a FORCE and the FORCE is a total sum of decisions made by many individuals who choose better from worse, and that FORCE has been called "The Free Market" or "The Invisible hand" or any False Front used by anyone, to hold a THING for accountability for that which individual people do on their own volition IN Liberty.
The FORCE can be called competition, but it is not the word COMPETITION, as if COMPETITION were a thing, an entity, a God, a being, a responsible thing, no, no, no, Competition is the one person choosing better over worse, and another person choosing better over worse, and many more people choosing better over worse, and the total sum of all those decisions FORCE anyone to pay attention to that FORCE, and worse is left behind and better is invented, produced, and maintained, because that is what a lot of people want, not the opposite.
What is the opposite?
Monopoly.
Provide more of the means by which we suffer, to save the children, because only the lesser of two evils can, if they have enough fraud money?
You know now, I trust, that there can never be enough fraud money, one lie requires two to cover up the first, then four to cover up those two, and then sixteen, that is how that works - very interesting.
What will stupid people not believe, and some people take you to task for believing in Jesus?
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If we have competitive law first, will we not have competitive money also?
If we have competitive money alone, will that guarantee competitive law?
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I know, in a relative sense, that I am very stupid, almost as stupid as the stupidest living being alive today, and the difference between how smart I am, on a scale from stupidest to smartest, is irrelevant when compared to the fact that either we, as a species, sink, or swim, in my life time, and I may be able to help swim, not sink.
Competition is in a power struggle against Monopoly, and if Monopoly wins, then everyone will be cutting each others throats until there are two people left, and one will eat the other.
Joe
and some doctors?
“Who uses the power they steal to make their power to steal more powerful?”
Let’s see, 9 months ago I did not know the answer to that question. Since someone named Joe Kelley has helped me, I now understand that some real criminals steal power, but the precise kind that make it their business to steal power from every individual possible to make themselves more powerful are called Legal Criminals.
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I guess either the lawyers will win or the bankers will win.
Some Bankers: The old lady across the street that had her home for 17 years let it go back to the bank because she could not sell it for the balance of her loan when she retired. The lady was a cook at the local hospital, retired, and went to Arizona and she might have as well of had rented for the last 17 years. Who made money? The bank because they got 17 year’s-worth of mostly interest as well as a house to sell. How much power would be available if people did not have to pay for their homes 3 times? What else could they purchase with those other 2 houses worth of money? But a house is supposed to be a “good” investment…right? I suppose it might be if you pay cash for it and it raises in value.
Let’s see, I have a lawyer story…I got burned during surgery. No one said a word to me about it, until the med student came to check under my bandages for the purpose of seeing it. He made a comment that the tools get a little warm. Seems the coterie arced to a clamp and burned me or should I say branded my chest. First of all it was humiliating. Second of all, when I went back to the doc that was supposed to have performed the surgery…the burn was not documented in the records. The nurse seemed quite alarmed, measured it and documented and contacted the doc. To make a too long story short, after contacting a lawyer who started asking questions, someone at the hospital proceeded to lie about it such that the hospital records were falsified to say I had a pre existing “blister.” Joe, this wasn’t just a little burn it was a 3rd degree burn. Who won? The hospital and the doctors. I should have gone to a high powered injury lawyer, but I wasn’t out for money. I just wanted the situation acknowledged and made right. How about just an apology from the doc who I don’t even think was present during the surgery. She was not in her scrubs when she saw me before the surgery. She signed her name my body parts to be removed and departed. I think the intern and the med student did the surgery. I figure the med student had something to do with the burn since he is the one who stopped in the afternoon of my surgery to take a peek while I was still groggy. Additionally I didn’t even know anyone was going to do the surgery besides my female Dr, so I was surprised when the 2 young male doc wannabes showed up. I suppose I should have put my foot down and said I didn’t want a med student and an intern present. Perhaps I should have asked for a video of my surgery, but just now thought of it. Anyways I was in no shape mentally, physically or emotionally to fight and defend myself after having 3 surgeries and chemo in less than a year, so the time limit ran out and I never pushed to get a new lawyer. I am not worried about it…just letting you know, I have my own lawyer story. At least there wasn’t a bank involved…just doctors and lawyers, and probably some money too.
I would imagine your wife does not enjoy seeing all the workings of people not being able to afford their homes. I would imagine her work is much more enjoyable when the economy is good and people are moving up and around instead of down and out.
What is going on in Hinkley? I think you may have told me but I cannot remember.
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“Sure, sure, I get it, a child of mine aught to be forced by me to stop running into busy streets, but do I have to tell them not to look at the sun?
Who is telling them to provide the means by which we suffer?
You?
I don't teach stupid to my kids, they, and I, can manage all the stupid anyone else can manage all on their own, they, and I, don't need help being stupider.
So who is claiming that Man has authority over other Men, to save the children, no less?
You?
Not me.”
I am not following what you are meaning. I cannot understand your words. Does the shoe fit me? Who does that shoe fit? Why are you talking about being stupid? Who ever knows they are supposed to look outside the box? Now, I am wanting to use the word conditioned, but I seem to remember you telling me not to use a positive word for a negative meaning so I think maybe I will use the word deceived instead. Legal Criminals make it their purpose to paint an illusion to deceive and one does not know they are looking at a masterpiece instead of real life until they get close enough to see the brush strokes. But still being close enough to see the brush strokes…how do you opt out of the Legal Criminal conceived masterpiece?
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“Which can be done first?
Can I stop paying Federal Income Tax first, or should I set a few people free first, so how do I do that, exactly, today?”
When I say True Trial by Jury, I mean the kind that says the Jurors can annul the laws that enforce those 3 things: Fed, IRS, Despotic War.
“Ron Paul hasn't thought this out?
I have not thought this out?
You are just now thinking this out?”
This is reminding me of the time you saw truckloads of cash on pallets and what you saw was what that cash could do while I was focused on the fact that it was said the cash didn’t belong to the American tax payer.
Me: "What will happen if we End the Fed, End the IRS, and Bring the Troops home, but do not have True Trial by Jury?"
You: “I think the answer is no such thing can happen, but which Trial by Jury do YOU have in mind?
Actual Trial by Jury or Counterfeit Trial by Jury?”
I said “True” Trial by Jury in my statement. When I say the word true, I am meaning the kind that Spooner says Magna Carta speaks of. So the answer is Actual Trial by Jury. Actual Trial by Jury where the Jurors have the power to nullify laws, set punishment, ask the questions, and acquit the defendant if they so choose.
But looking at those truckloads of $100 bills on pallets in the desert, I am seeing the “magic checkbook” now that you have brought it to my attention. So we must cut the money power supply before Actual Trial by Jury will be accomplished? The fine beam of focus in the money and it is directed on the Fed. Is the Fed easier to overcome the Jury system? Can you talk to me about that some more so I can understand better. I am not arguing, I am wanting to understand why, how so I will understand. So I will have another piece of the puzzle put in the right place instead of trying to put the wrong one in.
The thing I find crazy is that you talked to me about trial by Jury Early on and it is just now a light bulb for me. Why does it take me so long to understand?
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Me: "Is Liberty based on competitive money alone or must we have competitive law as well?"
You: “You see, but you may not see fully yet, and the POWER is a FORCE and the FORCE is a total sum of decisions made by many individuals who choose better from worse, and that FORCE has been called "The Free Market" or "The Invisible hand" or any False Front used by anyone, to hold a THING for accountability for that which individual people do on the own volition IN Liberty.”
I am making the mistake of saying Liberty is based on a thing instead of the volition of individuals. Yes, I see that. I may forget it again though. Bad habits and thought patterns are hard to break? They seem to be when it comes to bear.
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“What will stupid people not believe, and some people take you to task for believing in Jesus?”
What do those words mean?
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“I know, in a relative sense, that I am very stupid, almost as stupid as the stupidest living being alive today, and the difference between how smart I am, on a scale from stupidest to smartest, is irrelevant when compared to the fact that either we, as a species, sink, or swim, in my life time, and I may be able to help swim, not sink.”
Nope, not relatively stupid - Look:
“Competition is in a power struggle against Monopoly, and if Monopoly wins, then everyone will be cutting each others throats until there are two people left, and one will eat the other.”
Pretty smart if you ask me: “Competition vs. Monopoly.” Who else is saying that to me? You are also able to recognize a book when you are writing one. I can’t even see one when I am reading it. Who else is smart enough to spend time on some one with as little power as me and see hope? And now I can take baby steps in the right direction in my language and action. One plus one = two, you forget that I have 3 more with me? 1+4 = 5? Ah, you have 3 more with you? 4+4 = 8: the K’s+F’s. Ron Paul plus many Friends of Liberty traveling in the direction away from the masterpiece illusion painted by the Legal Monopoly Criminals to a place of Competition and Liberty. Slowly but surely. But it seems now with Tampa being behind us perhaps the lying stealing and cheating has moved to the DP? There seem to be many different voices calling for followers. How is one to know who is not a wolf and who to believe?
Yes
The absolute authority of each individual over themselves that you speak of comes from Almighty God.
And the limits are those set down in the Bible.
That gives them an absolute right to worldly Liberty, in exchange for spiritual enslavement to Christ/ God.
You can have spiritual liberty and worldly enslavement. Or spiritual enslavement and worldly liberty. Not both.
That is why the struggle for earthly liberty is inherently bound up with Protestant Christianity. They are essentially the same thing.
Because:
If you serve man, you cannot serve God. And
If you serve God, you cannot serve man.
The only justified authority over anyone against their will is that of Almighty God.
And that is to each man unto himself alone, it cannot ever be from one man unto another.
So in this world, the only legitimate authority over him is by rules that he has freely and voluntarily agreed to bind himself by.
It's 1776 again in America
You have a serious problem!
You have a serious problem! The antidote is George H. Smith's book: Atheism: The Case Against God.
"Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals- that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the
Thanks for your concern
But one of the blessings of Liberty is that your diagnoses remain yours alone, and not mine.
It's 1776 again in America
Learning from each other
Bear has taught me, even if she does not intend to do so, that religion is not necessarily exclusive.
I mean to say that someone who is Born Again, does not necessarily exclude other people from such things as Everlasting Life, or happiness on earth.
So...
Someone claiming to be Christian while they also claim that you, and you, and you, will be damned, is somewhat contradictory, if it is done that way, or in a similar way, or if the reader connected to the speaker receives that message that way?
In other words:
The message may be a suggestion to "Listen to God, as I have, and you may learn something valuable", while, the person listening may hear a contradictory message, such as "Listen to me or you will be damned by God."
Does that make sense?
Joe
Speak to a Grasshopper please
OK, I am not following here either. I am sorry, can you speak to a grasshopper please :)
Bottom line
Listen to God
Man may lie
Joe
bear believes
That God speaks thru the Bible and that the way to Everlasting Life is thru faith in Jesus as described in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have ever lasting life.
Bottom Line
Listen to Bear.
Joe may be failing to understand Bear.
Joe
Below the Line
bear must not be doing a very good job in communicating to Joe.
I am voting Goode in November...
he fits my beliefs best and I believe he has changed.
Ron/Rand Paul 2016! Constitution Party 2016!
Policy beliefs or religious beliefs?
I am displeased by his voting record on price supports, war, sanctions, warrantless surveillance, and disregard for the 10th ammendment and enumerated powers. It represents the opposite of what Ron Paul believes. Lots of candidates change their rhetoric to suit the election at hand, I personally have had enough of that.
I care very little about what he says his religious beliefs are.
DOESN'T BOTHER ANYONE..
THAT VIRGIL GOODE IS AN ISLAMAPHOBE? I really can't imagine a Ron Paul supporter backing this guy.
What is an Islamophobe?
What is an Islamophobe? Please say what Goode policy about Islam you are opposed to.
How about:
sanctions against Iran, Syria, Iraq, and Libya,
endorsing the Iraq War as an extension of the War on Terror, obstructing legal immigration of Muslems, and protesting a Muslem American congressman's use of a Koran in his private swearing in ceremony instead of a Christian bible.
It's not hard to conclude that, as Ron Paul said about Michelle Bachmann, he "hates Muslems".