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Is GOODE any GOOD? Requesting Opinions on Voting Constitution Party

I absolutely cannot vote for Romney or Obama. I have considered writing in Dr. Paul’s name. I have considered not voting at all. I am also considering the Constitution Party.

I just found Dr. Paul last year and was quite devastated over the way he and our delegates were treated at the RNC. I also realize Dr. Paul has asked us to retake the GOP. I am floundering on what to do next.

That being said, I am still looking for a presidential candidate with whom I can agree this year. If my Friends of Liberty would be so kind, I would appreciate your thoughts on the Constitution Party. I have heard they are Pro-War, but I just looked today and did not see that. I think a lot of you all out there are a lot smarter than I when it comes to Liberty principles so I would appreciate your help.

If you could take the time, please see the CP platform: http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php and let me know what you think regarding how that party lines up with Liberty.

The 2012 Presidential Candidate is Virgil Goode: http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/the-issues.html

Any time you can provide is much appreciated!



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In the End It Doesn't Matter

Vote for the guy or any third party candidate. He will be forgotten anyways after the presidential election.

The important thing is to take a vote away from the Republican and Democrat marionettes.

Yah, what does matter in the

Yah, what does matter in the end...but this year I want to vote my conscience. I suppose in the end, that will be all that matters?

Voting Record

If you want to know if Virgil Goode is worthy to vote for, you have to do the hard work of researching his voting record yourself. Do not take anyone else word on it. Do not just skim, click on each issue read the bill, and consider whether you would have voted the same. That is how you do it. Here is his voting record: http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/527/virgil-goode-jr

The problem with his voting

The problem with his voting record is that he has supposedly "woken up" on some issues like the Patriot Act.

That is what was nice about Dr. Paul's voting record, he has been consistent.

So it is Mr. Goode's word against his record. What are words these days...

My main objective is whether he will work within the confines of the constitution or outside of those confines. From his voting record it is plain to see that he voted outside those confines.

Besides, how many of the 1000 page bills did he read?

He's not in enough states to win

Nor would he if he were...

Winning is no longer my

Winning is no longer my objective. My objective is to vote my conscience. If we all had that attitude maybe someone other than Romney or Obama would win. People need to wake up and think outside the little box we are given.

Some sanity

Imagine that!!

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I think it is insanity per my

I think it is insanity per my comment above :)

I mentioned it earlier

Here it is, California American Independent Party nominates Tom Hoefling for President, NOT Virgil Goode.
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/08/california...

And while not as important, The Oregon Constitution Party nominates Will Christenson for President.
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/08/oregon-con...

With these two state parties no longer being officially affiliated with the national CP, there are a lot of lost opportunities for Virgil Goode.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

I want to vote my conscience.

I want to vote my conscience. My vote for Ron Paul has already been thrown away by the RNC.

Write in Paul

I'm writing in Ron Paul. I will cast my vote for the man I believe in. I urge everybody that lives in a state where write-ins are allowed to do the same. Just my two cents for the day.

RPGF

You know, I want to do that

You know, I want to do that and I was going to do that, but then I read somewhere on the DP that that could void my whole ballot if the write in is not allowed by the state. I have other Liberty candidates that I will be voting for so I do not want to ruin my ballot. Have you heard anything along these lines?

I think your approach is sincere

but I gotta say.. You guys slay me.

It's almost as if you feel you're obligated or driven in some way to vote.. Like you feel a need to be a part of the club, that you're doing something..

I have a good example of a guy that meets all of my criteria as trustworthy enough to believe his stances, even though I don't agree 100% with everything he says.

Meanwhile so many people are willing to pick the next best thing over not doing anything. Someone I knew as a child used to say.. "Do something even if it's wrong".. as I got older I realized that some things need long deliberate and not only should they not be rushed.. they should never be compromised on.

Compromising is exactly what I see people doing. It's also something this nations people have been trained to do and can't seem to break.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I only found Ron Paul late

I only found Ron Paul late last year and am still waking up though I would say alot of that work has been accomplished. However, it is as if I'd like to hang on some thread of decency or innocence while looking horror in the face. For some reason I want to vote. I guess it is part of hanging on to what I used to think I knew about what I thought was the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave and have found that Legal Criminals have taken us for a ride.

I have been voting for 30 years and it is a travesty that I have voted for the lesser of 2 evils on many occasions. I never knew better until an 80 year old told me not to vote someone because they could not win. That was part of waking up. If everyone everywhere would vote their conscience instead of for who can win maybe it would make a difference. At this point I don't know.

I want to vote my conscience this year. If I cannot, I will not vote. That is how far I have come; I realize I still have a long way to go.

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Every 2 cents adds up. I went on a vacation saving pennies :-)

Ron Paul 2012 - because I always finish what I start.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Goode

video on economy last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpFLKNdwE0

donvino

Thank you! I am watching now.

Thank you! I am watching now. Wow, he sure does talk slow!

If you are a bible-thumping

If you are a bible-thumping Christian, the inaccurately named "Constitution Party" may be for you. It certainly is NOT for me.

Thank you for stopping by to

Thank you for stopping by to weigh in. I am a Believer in Jesus Christ.

Do you realize how Bible-thumping Christian comes across? It sounds to me like a need to marginalize Christians. Kind of like name calling. Not very nice.

The way I understand it is we are supposed to be Friends of Liberty and I try to be a Friend IN Liberty as well; i.e.; loving my neighbors, which is basically everyone. The only way I know to love people I don't know and am not physically around is to be kind and supportive.

Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin, the CP presidential candidate in 2008. Ron Paul's 2008 endorsement of a CP candidiate then is why I am looking into VG now.

I had my hopes set on Ron Paul and Tampa, but unfortunately evil was blatant there at the RNC so they lied, they stole, and they cheated... Ron Paul did not loose, our land did.

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I am against any blend of religion and politics

The Constitution was written to protect freedom of expression and religion, but also to prevent the establishment of a religion by government... something which I believe the so-called "Constitution Party" is dead set on. The very top of their platform (Preamble) is their belief that the US is a Christian nation and I believe their real goal is to make Christianity a bigger part of American law.

To wit (from the party platform Preamble): "The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries."

Excuse me, but "restoring American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations" is in strict opposition to the Constitution. I cannot take such a party seriously, other than to oppose them anywhere and everywhere I meet them.

I can see your concern

Hi, I am not sure of the goals of the Constitution Party. I can see your concern though.

In the history of our country the Biblical God was often called upon and revered. A belief in God and a high regard for the Bible was more of a fabric of life, so "religion" was an integral part of our early beginnings and continued to be so for100s of years. I think in our modern day we have lost view of that beginning.

I am not trying to overload you with religion or religious paraphernalia, but rather I am just trying to appeal to your understanding that a lot has changed in the last 200 plus years and it is of note that a lot of the Founders attributed recognition to the Biblical God http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=78 . A governmental official recognizing God is in no way a dictate that everyone has to recognize God. The choice is a personal foundational right endowed by the Creator for liberty, for life and for the pursuit of happiness.

Also please consider this post I put up several months ago as to the supposed quote which holds the words: Give me Liberty or Give Me Death: http://www.dailypaul.com/239274/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-d... where Patrick Henry witness torture of Pastors in one of the colonies.

Those words are supposed to have been taken from the full quote: “An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death.”

The constitution says that “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...” At the founding of our country there were to be no laws made against religion. Religion was practiced as a natural part of life. Now there are laws prohibiting the practice. What has changed? I think some of it has to do with the collecting of taxes and adoption of private entities into the government realm. Schools for example were built and belonged to the community. The early books taught Scripture as part of learning. Now since the Federal Government takes our tax money that same government has said made rules against religion because the schools are now funded federally. When schools were within the domain of the community, the community could decide how to educate their children. You can see the same fights taking place with health care and contraception. Private entities are now fighting with the government because healthcare has being adopted, or co-opted by the government, so now the government will decide how tax money is spent on healthcare within those private entities.

Really, the key is to
End the Fed
End the IRS
Bring the troops home
Thus getting the government out of the peoples business.

The term separation of church and state came as a result of the Danbury Baptist letter to Thomas Jefferson requesting assurance that that the state would not tread on the church as the writers of the letter were already suffering ill repute due to their religion; i.e. the wall was to keep the state from making laws governing the church. Thomas Jefferson’s reply assured that the right to practice religion was not a favor granted by the state, but that it was a natural right. Here is a link to view the words of those letters: http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=65 Those letters were written 12 or so years after the ratification of the constitution.

Here is a rather interesting letter from Ben Franklin to Thomas Paine regarding religion. http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=58 I think from it you can see Franklin’s point of view regarding religion.

I hope I have not offended you in any way. Please know, that I would vote for a non-religious person who would work within the confines of the Constitution before I would vote for a religious person who would work outside the confines of the constitution to legislate morality or religion. To me, the key is staying within the contract of the constitution. Dr. Paul was a fabulous example. I wish things had turned out differently in Tampa, but a bunch of people decided to lie, steal and cheat. It is a travesty which would cause our fine founders who claimed Providence to roll in their graves after fighting with their lives and giving their fortunes for the cause of Liberty.

I am a Friend of Liberty.

You certainly have not

You certainly have not offended me in any way. Your posts seem consistently reasoned and you seem like a reasonable person.

You said:

"Really, the key is to
End the Fed
End the IRS
Bring the troops home
Thus getting the government out of the peoples business."

And I agree with your bullet points, however, with Gary Johnson (in opposition to the Constitution Party) I get no proselytizing and no discernible issues with religious overtones. Whose background and platform seems better suited to a country with the diversity of people and beliefs and economic condition we are currently in than Gary Johnson? His focus is wholly on economic and freedom issues. He isn't a dyed-in-the-wool Libertarian, but neither has Ron been. I respect your reasons and I will continue to do what I can to promote Gary Johnson through this election.

Peace!

Thank you for your kind response

I listened to GJ's RP townhall replay today. A couple of things I noticed that departed from Dr. Paul's rational on returning issues to the states to decide was the issue of marriage and abortion rights. From GJ's answers it sounded like he preferred that those decisions be taken care of at the federal level. After understanding Dr. Paul's position, I am thinking GJ's position is not within the confines of the consitution.

I appreciate GJ’s candid responses. I did not feel at all like he was saying one thing only to do another. He sounded honest and forthright and willing to answer even tough questions. IMO the marriage and abortion issues are not being resolved because those issues give political power to the repub and dem parties such that they are able to garner voting blocks. IMO even though the repubs declare they have prolife platform they dare not resolve the problem because that would release pro-lifer’s from their party, etc.

The other thing that I feel GJ differs from Ron Paul on is the very essential element to protecting liberty. RP says “"Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...

I am currently feeling like there is no one for whom I can vote my conscience. It seems to me that both the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party candidates would like to make decisions outside the bounds of the constitution.

This is uncalled-for and divisive

While I think Gary Johnson may be a better rallying focus for Ron Paul supporters than Virgil Goode, this movement can't afford to fragment over religious matters.

Something ron Paul was good at

that Johnson and Virgil are not good at is alienating the religiously intolerant and violence hating geneticistic athiests.

I sure wish I could ask Dr. Paul!

Yes, and that may be why we see the parties as they are...divide and conquer those that love liberty so that liberty is not achieved. What if everyone that loved Liberty had stayed in the 2 party system and rose to the top of those parties like Ron Paul suggested with the GOP. Perhaps Liberty would have a chance to prevail. But instead we have a Libertarian Party, a Constitution Party and the enemy knows that polarizing is necessary to achieve the goal.

That still though does not help me with what to do this year. I sure wish I could ask Dr. Paul! I am not knowledgeable to navigate these uncharted waters!

Hmmm, I'm a Bible-thumping Christian...

...sounds pretty good!!

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

That is where I am voting.

That is where I am voting. whether they are bible thumping Christians or not, which they are not, They hold to the Constitution and that is all that matters. I would vote for an atheist party if they upheld the Consitution to the letter of the law. I can overlook a petty personal bias. Can you?

Tell me where in the

Tell me where in the Constitution is federal policy against drugs.

Sorry, that was kind of a mean comment, but the Constitution Party may be better then R's and D's, but take the name with a grain of salt. The Republican Party doesn't represent a Republic, and the Democratic Party doesn't represent democracy. The constitution party does have a few unconstitutional posistions within their platform.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

Constitution Party...

...is NOT pro-war. It's what the Old GOP used to be before the neocons took over the GOP.

But since Goode voted for the Iraq War and Patriot Act and never repudiated those votes, I can't vote for him.