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Is GOODE any GOOD? Requesting Opinions on Voting Constitution Party

I absolutely cannot vote for Romney or Obama. I have considered writing in Dr. Paul’s name. I have considered not voting at all. I am also considering the Constitution Party.

I just found Dr. Paul last year and was quite devastated over the way he and our delegates were treated at the RNC. I also realize Dr. Paul has asked us to retake the GOP. I am floundering on what to do next.

That being said, I am still looking for a presidential candidate with whom I can agree this year. If my Friends of Liberty would be so kind, I would appreciate your thoughts on the Constitution Party. I have heard they are Pro-War, but I just looked today and did not see that. I think a lot of you all out there are a lot smarter than I when it comes to Liberty principles so I would appreciate your help.

If you could take the time, please see the CP platform: http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php and let me know what you think regarding how that party lines up with Liberty.

The 2012 Presidential Candidate is Virgil Goode: http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/the-issues.html

Any time you can provide is much appreciated!

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To be fair, he did repudiate

To be fair, he did repudiate the Patriot Act. He says he regrets voting for it and would overturn it.

In regards to Iraq he remains pretty silent on this issue. He says we need to come home from Afghanistan, but he never apologized for his previous support for the Iraq War.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

I didn't...

...know he repudiated his vote for the Patriot Act. I stand corrected, then.

When he voted for the Patriot Act

I don't think he had yet seen the systematic globalists use of fear to erode our Constitution. He is coming around though and will work at halting the erosion of the Constitution caused by the Patriot Act and NDAA.

He did vote for those 2 acts?

He did vote for those 2 acts? I was going to vote for him but now I will vote for Johnson.

now I take that back knowing

now I take that back knowing that Johnson is a member of the CFR. I will vote for Goode.

Johnson has a staff member

Johnson has a staff member that is part of the CFR. Johnson himself is not a member. If he is, please provide a link.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

Johnson + Staff + Member

= LOL

I do like Gary, that made me laugh though.

Unfortunately yes did but he did repudiate -

the patriot act vote.

I don't like Goode I do like the Constitution party as they see what was wrong with both of these... http://conservativetimes.org/?p=11285

He also said he thinks the patriot act aught not be applied to U.S citizens and he regrets implementing it on them. However non-citizens is a different story...

I don't think Goode deserves a vote due to this. I think the constitution party remains a good place to garner support for our cause.

I think so too.

I think so too.

Is Good any Good? Requesting Opinions on Voting Constitution Par

In 2008 and 2012 I voted Republican because I loved Ron Paul's message, but in 2004 I joined the Constitution Party because their stance is strictly in line with the Constitution. Doesn't it make sense that if we loved Ron Paul's message, and he is a strict constitutionalist, then we should be finding a party that is also strictly in line with the Constitution? The Constitution is the document that the Founders wrote by inspiration from God, and we must get back to it, and work to get people to read and study it. Unless people will do that, I have little hope that we can save America. When we have been given these documents by the Founders, who gave credit to God who inspired them, shouldn't we think a little deeper on their importance? Did you know that lawyers and attorneys are not required to learn the Constitution in law school? No wonder we are losing our rights. Congress and the Senate don't know the Constitution because they have never learned its value. I am really surprised that people have commented here against the Constitution Party, when I can tell they haven't even checked it out. That attitude parallels closely with people who wouldn't study Ron Paul and his stances during the primaries. We must read and study for truth. The Constitution contains true principles to live by, and when we, the people, understand that, we should then be working to get local leaders to study it, so they see where they are wrong, and that we have all been hoodwinked. There are two books out that teach these principles simply, and all should read them: "Five Thousand Year Leap" by Cleon Skousen. "The Covenant" by Timothy Ballard. I guarantee if people would read them, they will be enlightened and energized, and they would love spreading the word to read and learn the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights. Just think what could happen if citizens studied these documents. Why, they would have the confidence necessary to put government in their place. It really is true that most people do not know these documents and they need to, especially at this time in America. The other day I was thinking that if Americans had been taught these documents throughout their public school education (It was taken out of the schools gradually beginning in 1910), we would not be in the mess we are today because we would not have let government overpower we, the people and instead we would be holding our leaders accountable, and they would be our servants, not the reverse. Our government would be as it was originally supposed to be: a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Now it is time for us to take what we learned from Ron Paul, and find a group to work with, to grow with. I strongly suggest the Constitution Party, that has continued to grow immensely since 2004. Get involved a little with them, study their stance on all issues. There is no need to invent a new wheel, for the wheel has already been invented and it is about as perfect as the bible is. The Constitution is the base of the Constitution Party, and the wheel. My belief is that when we work with God (showing a great desire to live by truth--the Constitution), He will help us save this country. I know He will. That is my faith.
As for the election this time I don't know what to do either, but I believe I will vote for Goode because he is a strict constitutionalist. That's what we need folks, people who are strict in their stances, who won't quit when the going gets tough. Another Ron Paul kind of man.

Everyone claims to support the Constitution

That doesn't mean they endorse Ron Paul's interpretation.

Virgil Goode voted for:

Farm Price Supports
Outlawing gasoline "Price Gouging"
Federal prohibition of online gambling.
Warrantless electronic surveillance
Amtrak reauthorization (and against funding reductions)
Raising CAFE standards and requiring an increase in renewable fuel production
Head Start Act of 2007
Sanctions on Iran
Sanctions on Syria
Sanctions on Libya
Declaring Iraq part of the War on Terror
Continuing the Cuban embargo
Minimum Wage Increase
Federal "Horse slaughter" prohibition
Federal override of State Medical Marijuana laws
The "Terri Schiavo Incapacitated Persons Protection Bill" to override State jurisdiction
The "Teacher Empowerment Act"

To name a few, in addition to dozens and dozens of appropriations bills.

A Ron Paul supporter might ask where the Constitution grants such authority to the federal government.

Seems to me like the

Seems to me like the Constitutin Party might need some lessons on the Constitutin? The other problem is that supposedly Mr. Goode has changed his stance on things. But that would be taking his word over his record.

Virgil Goode and the Constitution

That is the reason we must know the Constitution ourselves. If we understand it, because we have really had a good authentic study course, then we can tell if our political leaders support it or not just by the way they vote. Like I said the Congress and Senate are made up of lots of attorneys and lawyers. They were not required to study the Constitution in law school to become an attorney or lawyer. You don't really believe these people have taken upon themselves to study it, do you? That is why Ron Paul is so good. He has studied it. When a bill comes across his desk, he doesn't have to study it any longer than to determine if it takes away citizens rights. Most legislation does take away our rights. Just think how it would be if there were several in Congress who had as much knowledge as Ron Paul. Why, there would never be regulations against the people, small businesses. Instead, we would be free to live as the Constitution states we should. How would it be if they all threw out the particular regulation. As it is, they spend hours on bills. They spend time with lobbyists. They must always make a determination. What will make me look good to my constituents so I don't lose their votes at election time. Just think how easy it would be to elect a good man or woman if they knew their bounds. For one thing there wouldn't be thousands of bills each year for them to make a determination, and secondly they would have more time to work on the serious bills. We would see good things coming from our elected officials if they knew their bounds and we knew them also. It is absolutely imperative that we, the people study and learn the three documents. Most certainly those public officials would not feel very comfortable with their constituents knowing more than they do about our rights. I really believe that Virgil Goode has studied the constitution since he joined the Constitution Party. Check out the organization National Write Your Congressman. You can send your congressman and/or senator a letter asking about this or that. They will answer you. If they don't, write them again until they do. I have done that, and it does work. I also think we do too much assuming that this candidate or that candidate is knowledgable of the Founders documents. Remember also that our presidents are not capable of knowing everything about the issues. They have people around them who help them, and sadly those helpers are working for selfish reasons. They care nothing of the citizens in this country or the world.

Admirable but what about Goode voting for the Patriot Act?

Seems like the Const Party might be ok but Virgil himself not so Goode?

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Thank you for taking the time

Thank you for taking the time to write such a well thought out comment. I to want to vote for someone who will limit their actions by the strict confines of the Constitution. I was concerned after looking at Mr. Goode's congressional voting record that he may not completely understand the confines of the constitution. I do not know if he has progressed in his understanding. http://www.ontheissues.org/Virgil_Goode.htm

I started looking at the CP because RP endorsed Chuck Baldwin in 2008.

Thank you for the book suggestions. I just ordered 2 of Dr Paul's books this week and will keep your's in mind as well. Patrick Henry had serious issues with the Constitution. http://www.wfu.edu/~zulick/340/henry.html It seems to me his document hasn't been required reading as well. We are in serious trouble, truly God is our only hope. May He have mercey and grace upon us.

I'm with Patrick Henry

A confederation of states is a far more responsive form of government (to the people, anyway). I never found any compelling reason to switch to the constitution. As I recall my American history lessons, the arguments were, at best, very vague.

Thanks for the link to Henry's statements. I enjoyed the read. Obviously, even then the "powers that be" were all about bamboozling the public, which just goes to show that human nature never changes. Things have to be spelled out AND there has to be blood to pay for ignoring the spirit of the law, not just the letter.

If I vote at all, I will vote for Goode.

So you are in VA? Home of

So you are in VA? Home of Patrick Henry? I hear VG is major on the playing field in VA since he has the polling points that Romney would like to have.

My friend, Joe Kelley, gave me the link to Patrick Henry. He has been helping along in my Liberty Education and has been very patient in the process. Sometimes feeding me stuff that I could not stomach...like the fact that there were issues with the constitution. It is a travesty that our history has been kept from us in those government as well as private schools. If we were a confederation, there would be some competition in this land of the slave and home of the brave and it would still be the land of the free.

Competition in all areas is what lends to the atmosphere of freedom. Competition is being snuffed out left and right. Gee, we didn't even get to seat duley eleted delegates or put Dr. Paul into nomination at the RNC. Criminals cannot stand competition.

I don't want your "god".

Pass out your jesus leaflets else wear.

Without God you will fail.

Without God the Liberty movement will fail.
Without God the United States will fail.
With God they shall prevail.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Without "God?"

Which one? There are so many - Yaweh, Allah, Lucifer, Jupiter, Zeuw, Cthulhu?

And what has any of them ever done for me, other than inflict pain and suffering for its own amusement?

Fuck god.

Freedom is my Worship Word!

There is only one God.

God has done everything for you that was ever done for you, including create you in the first place.

That is why to act against Him intentionally is to act against yourself.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

I will not fail. ;)

You may have your god, faith, and whatever beliefs work for you. I shall do the same.

Thanks!

"I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another."

-Thomas Jefferson

go jump in a a lake... since

go jump in a a lake... since when do you tell others what to do.

Hey, you are making me laugh.

Hey, you are making me laugh. You just told someone what to do...is it supposed to be a joke?

Howdy, I am the OP. Thank

Howdy, I am the OP. Thank you for stopping in here. I don't think anyone is asking you to read a Jesus leaflet. I am trying to figure out who I can vote for come November.

Thanks Bear...

I was responding to the poster above, not your original post.

Quote:
"My belief is that when we work with God (showing a great desire to live by truth--the Constitution), He will help us save this country. I know He will. That is my faith."

The Constitution Party is nothing more than a front for a Christian dominated society. They call themselves constitutionalists, but espouse Christian supremacy.

I'm all for religious freedom, but that goes for everyone and every religion (or the choice not to have one at all). If Dr. Paul has taught us anything? It is tolerance.

Clearly the Constitution Party has none. Not impressed!

Taken from their own page.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

Hi, yes I think understand

Hi, yes I think understand your concern with the CP Platform. I am a Believer in Christ. However know this...I will vote for some one who works within the confines of the constitution before I vote for someone who claims to be a Christian and works within the confines of their morality and outside the confines of the constitution.

There are many counterfeits and I know nothing about the Constitution Party except that Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin in 2008. However, Ron Paul endorsed a person, not a party. I think that is wise. Organizations are co-opted all the time.

From my understanding the Bible was a source document and text book in the early days of our land. But I think that if the founders were all the CP platform says they were they would have said a whole lot more about Jesus Christ in the founding documents. Just my opinion. I am not an expert.

However if you look at some of the founders correspondence you will see that they spent a couple of hours in prayer before declaring Independence. Now I don't know if that means every person in the room, or just some of them, or a few of them. I don't know much about it.

I do personally pray though, that God, also known Providence by some of the founders, would have mercy on us as a people because as far as I can see we are in alot of trouble here in our land from sea to shining sea. The criminals have made themselves legal and they are running the show. IMO we need a miracle because sometimes it seems quite hopeless to me, especially after watching blatant evil on display at the RNC.

My goal is to be a Friend of Liberty as well as a Friend in Liberty. I think it takes all of us working together. We are all different and have different opinions, but I think it is OK to respect one another. I think that is the example Ron Paul set for us, to be civil to one another and to work together for the cause of Liberty.

I appreciate the help of my Liberty Friends as I vet Mr. Goode. I would like to be able to vote for someone this November.
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You really need to read the book I am just finishing

You really need to read the book I am just finishing- "The Covenant" by Timothy Ballard. I have never read a book about our Founders that have made me cry, maybe have tears in my eyes for their goodness, but never cry. This book shows just how much George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and many others believed in a national covenant. They understood the biblical scriptures, especially the Old Testament. They understood the national covenant. A covenant is a two way promise between two individuals or groups, or between God and an individual. God makes promises to the people in the way of receiving blessings, and in turn the people keep God's commandments, and they receive those blessings promised them. These men were so true and honest and good, and that is what made me cry. The Constitution came because of the national covenant. The Revolutionary War was won because of the national covenant, as well as the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights. I love the Founders now. I understand what they went through to bring us our freedom. I love God, and I understand Him more, because I know He gave us the Constitution for no other reason that to have our freedom, especially freedom of religion. From what I learned, and you will learn, is that we must love God. We must keep his commandments (there are numerous places in Washington, DC on the buildings that show artistry of the 10 Commandments, Moses and the Israelites, and many other things taught in the Old Testament. They were put there years and years ago as a reminder to all Americans that without God in our lives, by keeping His commandments and by keeping covenants with Him, we will never have the safety and the freedom we once had. That may sound discouraging, but it is the truth, and it is plainly spoken, with documentation, in "The Covenant." This country has lost its morals. Just go through each of the 10 commandments and see how things have changed since you were young--down hill. Name just one commandment that all Americans keep. There is not one. Yet, it is interesting that the Founders listed above were keepers of all the commandments. There is documentation that they were and what's more, they worked hard to get all the citizens in America to live that national covenant, and it happened, and their blessings flowed, and they gave thanks continually to God, for they saw miracle after miracle happen, and they were blessed with a free country. Everyone, and I mean everyone, went to church on Sunday. They fasted, they prayed, and they loved God and they were happy knowing that God was with them. I would give anything to see such a thing happen in America, and we must get to that, or God will not be with us. I would challenge all the readers to get this book and read it. You won't be able to lay it down, because it is the truth.

Amen.

That is a very wise and beautiful post. Another topic on here asked what books people could recommend that the OP could give to his Serbian friend to explain the importance of Constitution and the Liberty movement. I would recommend this post of yours. It says it all.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Reading

Have you read Patrick Henry?

http://www.wfu.edu/~zulick/340/henry.html

or the words of William Manning?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Other-Founders-Anti-Federalism-Dis... Page 229:
"made like A Fiddle, with but few Strings,"
"play any tune upon it they pleased."
In Context:
"Regarding the Constitutional Convention, he [William Manning] echoed a common Anti-Federalist complaint: the framers deliberately employed ambiguous language to facilitate their aristocratic designs. He confidently asserted, "The Convention who made it intended to destroy our free government by, or they neaver would have spent 4 Months in making such an inexpliset thing." The Constitution was a "made like A Fiddle, with but few Strings," so that those in power might "play any tune upon it they pleased." The ambiguity of the Constitution was a deliberate product of Federalist aristocratic machinations-confirmed by the practices of Federalists since ratification. Under the guise of constructive interpretations, Federalists were seeking to extend the powers of their federal government and trample on the people's liberties."

I am concerned over the intent of the Constitution because it was pushed by Hamilton who had a goal to initiate a debt based national bank from which our problems stem today. We are slaves to the lenders. I am concerned that Christians are kept in homage to the Constitution which may not have been a covenant at all, but a fraud to enslave the people to the bankers. The Bible says the Love of Money is the Root of all Evil. I fear that our history has been one sided and it has been used to keep Christians in check to a nation state when those revolutionaries fought for a Democratic Federated Republic with a fully operating Trial by Jury which was lost with the Constitution per Patrick Henry. The words I have just written would have been close to blasphemy for me to say last year.

I have just ordered and am getting ready to read 2 books by Dr. Paul:
“The Revolution: A Manifesto” and “Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom” and I hope they will balance me out in case I am thinking incorrectly. I’ll add the "The Covenant" by Timothy Ballard to my reading list