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Is GOODE any GOOD? Requesting Opinions on Voting Constitution Party

I absolutely cannot vote for Romney or Obama. I have considered writing in Dr. Paul’s name. I have considered not voting at all. I am also considering the Constitution Party.

I just found Dr. Paul last year and was quite devastated over the way he and our delegates were treated at the RNC. I also realize Dr. Paul has asked us to retake the GOP. I am floundering on what to do next.

That being said, I am still looking for a presidential candidate with whom I can agree this year. If my Friends of Liberty would be so kind, I would appreciate your thoughts on the Constitution Party. I have heard they are Pro-War, but I just looked today and did not see that. I think a lot of you all out there are a lot smarter than I when it comes to Liberty principles so I would appreciate your help.

If you could take the time, please see the CP platform: http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php and let me know what you think regarding how that party lines up with Liberty.

The 2012 Presidential Candidate is Virgil Goode: http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/the-issues.html

Any time you can provide is much appreciated!



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Goode

Is pro war - Enforcing more drug laws - He had issues with Guns, in some issues, etc. Look more into the man before you decide.

From the comments below, some

From the comments below, some folks feel he isn't quite there on civil liberties. Have you investigated?

One Word...

Islamophobe. So no.

I would rather put a vote in for Gary Johnson

Do you think he has changed any?

How about what it says here: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/11767-vir...

"Foreign Policy

Goode favors a strong military that is substantially disengaged from unnecessary foreign wars, which is a change from his earlier vote for the Iraq War (roll call 455, 2002). He now says, “I do not believe we should be involved in wars that have not been declared by Congress as specifically provided in the U.S. Constitution, so we must come home from Afghanistan. And I don’t think we can afford — nor is it strategically necessary — to have military bases all over the world. We owe too much money to underwrite the stationing of so many troops all around the world. Finally, I am against placing our armed forces under United Nations command.”

Goode is hoping to piggy-back on the burgeoning Ron Paul liberty movement, stressing that he was a member of Paul's congressional Liberty Caucus while in Congress. “Ron Paul has been a friend from my first days in Congress. I learned a lot as a member of his Liberty Caucus in the House. I understand his interests in his son’s viability as a presidential candidate, but I’m always an optimist: I’d welcome Ron’s support,” Goode told the Independent Political Report's Peter Gemma. “We should plan to face reality and capture the Ron Paul constituency on our own. Just look at the issues Ron has run on: audit the Fed, the gold standard, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. That’s our platform!”"

Islamaphobe example: n 2006,

Islamaphobe example:

n 2006, Minnesota's 5th congressional district elected Keith Ellison as the first Muslim to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives. Some criticized Ellison's intended use of the Qur'an once owned by Thomas Jefferson at a private swearing-in ceremony;[32] among them, Goode was vocal in his opposition to Ellison's plan. One of Goode's constituents posted a letter online from the congressman regarding Ellison. The letter reads in part:

"When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way. The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."[33][34]

Ellison criticized Goode for this letter, stating that he is not an immigrant and that Goode does not understand Islam. Ellison also offered to meet with Goode to discuss the matter.[34] On his first day in office, Ellison sought out Goode and initiated a cordial exchange on the House floor.[35]

In interviews around that time, Goode stated that he was in favor of decreasing legal immigration to the United States and that he wanted to do away with Diversity Immigrant Visas. Goode argued that such visas would allow people "not from European countries" or from "some terrorist states" to enter America.[36] Goode also repeated his views on a January 1, 2007 post to the USA Today blog.[37]

May Liberty be the Rule of the Day!

I heard some talk early in my waking up process of people being afraid of Sharia Law being implemented here in the US. http://aolanswers.com/questions/muslim_surreal_law_273343821...

I don’t know if it is true or not but I have heard there are problems in some European countries with religious law being instituted. Certainly though, I am not saying anyone should be phobic.

Nor do I know if there is any real threat to us here http://www.westernjournalism.com/islamists-to-open-dnc-with-...

And

Paul Ryan and Romney also say they are good friends with Ron Paul. Ron Paul is just a nice guy.

His rhetoric has certainly changed

now that he has become the CP nominee and wants to tap into the Ron Paul movement.

Isn't that what Bob Barr did?

At least with Johnson, the Libertarian Party was pursuing him since 2000. It's not like he's an opportunist.

I haven't been around long

I haven't been around long enough to know what Bob Barr did.

Yah, rhetoric...polititians are good at it. I even found out they lie! Imagine that! That was the first eye opening "Read my Lips, No new taxes" NOT

It took me till Obama was elected to really start to wake up. I only found Ron Paul late late year. Unfortunately. I wish I had known about him in 2008, but I was still a Beck and Fox smuck then.

It takes a lot of guts to accept one's world-view is wrong

I wish I could have figured it out when I was younger. Fortunately I finally got sick of losing debates with an anarcho-capitalist co-worker and then the internet kicked in.

Yes, it ia a very difficult

Yes, it ia a very difficult thing to go thru, but I would not go back. Yes, the internet! I would not have found Dr. Paul without it!

I vote for not voting.

Stay home and vote. You may not save the country, but you can save time and gas.

I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it.
Voltaire

Well, I want to vote for some

Well, I want to vote for some local candidates, but if I cannot see eye to eye with a presidential candidate I may abstain. I said I would never vote for the lessor of 2 evils again. I sure wish there was a clear choice because I would like to influence friends and family.

What if you can walk

to the polls?

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That's worse than using gas.

That takes even more time.

I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it.
Voltaire

NO on Goode

Voting third party is to send a message, so you want your statistic to be understood. The Constitution Party is seen as a socon right wing outfit. Sure it has its good points, but your statistic, your vote, will not reflect this. A vote for the libertarian party would not be misunderstood as anything but a vote for liberty.

But is the Libertarian party

But is the Libertarian party on the ballot in that state? If so, vote for it. If not, go ahead and vote for Goode.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

GJ expected to be on ballot in all 50 states

That is another reason your vote will matter more, although it will still be largely insignificant. But a vote for the Libertarian Party cannot be interpreted any other way than a vote for libertarianism, so it is a effective way to fly the flag. Sadly, it is not clear how a CP vote is interpreted by people, probably as a vote for a Santorum-like socon worldview. Virgil Goode is not a great pick as a candidate (like Bob Barr for the LP last time) but I don't think that matters very much. Long after people forget who these guys are, you vote will still be seen as a vote for libertarianism if it is ever considered at all.

A Reason NOT to vote for Goode

Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Virgil_Goode.htm

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And Romney or Obama would

And Romney or Obama would have voted against it?

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

The Patriot Act deeply

The Patriot Act deeply concerns me. It also tells me that someone does not follow the constitution when voting. I agree with Mr. Goode's moral issues, but the constitutional issues are most concerning to me. I want someone one who will work within the confines of the constitution. IMO morality issues have been used to undo those confines in the hearts and minds of socialy moral Americans and it is time to re evaluate that thinking. Dr. Paul is a moral man, but he worked within the confines of the constitution.

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Seems I recall watching that debate spring 2011

re the extension of the UNPatriotic Act...???!!!

Was screaming at the TV during Feinstein's testimony.

Susie 4 Liberty

I'm voting Goode in November..

the platform fits what I believe and at least I'm not voting for Romney or Obama.

Ron/Rand Paul 2016! Constitution Party 2016!

Here is the Constitution Party Platform

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

One reason to join the Constitution Party, the Libertarians or to remain independent comes from Leonard E. Reed author of I, Pencil and Founding member along with Henry Hazlitt (Economics in One Lesson)of the Foundation For Economic Education:

"it is folly of us to exert influence on those of the collectivist faith....If one wishes to win,never chose teammates who are intent on losing the contest. Indeed,such folks should be scrupulously avoided as partners."

As I have written if you are inclined to stay and battle the statist and cheaters in the Republican party, have at it http://www.dailypaul.com/252756/its-not-either-or-its-both

If you have a severe distaste for working to convert a corrupt party and take the view that you can't play with cheaters than by all means give the constitution party a look.

In 2008 Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin the Constitution Party's Presidential nominee that year.

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No, HERE is the real "Constitution Party" platform

Right off the bat:

"The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries."

Say what?

Right. Mmmmmm.......No.

Well, there's really no

Well, there's really no reason to join the Constitution Party.

Voting for the Constitution Party candidate as a protest is a different thing.

Virgil Goode is not Chuck Baldwin

Virgil Goode supported:

farm price supports,
indefinite stay in Iraq as part of the War on Terror,
gas price controls,
sanctions on Syria,
warrentless wiretapping,
minimum wage increases,
federal online gambling prohibition,
campaign funding limits,
stepping up border enforcement of the War on Drugs

Ron would have issues with those stances, and many might question his recent conversion.

Goode

Voted against some of the bailouts if I remember correctly but is definately very hawkish

I was going to vote for Virgil Goode

But, I don't want to have to tell my children that I took part in helping Obama win a second term. R/R for me.

Really? Did you see what

Really? Did you see what Romney's lawyers did at the RNC? I am having a tough time figuring out how he will be any better than Obama, but thinking of Obama scares the daylights out of me.

I am just having a hard time ever voting for the lessor of 2 evils since I have finally woken up. I said I would never do that again.

Perhaps I was wrong? How are you able to deal with it? Hope I am not being too nosey, but I am struggling with what to do so I am reaching out to my Friends in Liberty.