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Instead of pushing us to support GJ - Can't we push GJ to support us?

To start - I don't support Gary Johnson... yet.

It occurred to me yesterday that our resistance to Gary might be because we have learned from Ron Paul not to settle - not to compromise.

Ron didn't vote yes on bills that he agreed with 85% - yet, we have Gary Johnson folks telling us 'He is 85% Ron Paul!' This really puts us in a tough position.

Instead of brow-beating us to support Johnson - why are we not brow-beating Johnson to support us?

Can we not come up with our objections (demands if you will) - that, if met, we can get behind him.

Of course - he'll never be 100% Ron Paul... so, there is a bit of a flaw in my logic... But we should be spending our time getting Johnson as close to 100% as possible - and the Johnson folks should work for the same.

- My first demand is to bring all troops home.
- End drone strikes
- Dialog / Trade with all/any country

Anyone want to make a list?



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I posted another similar thread...

Please vote up the following thread if you agree: http://www.dailypaul.com/253818/what-could-gary-johnson-do-to-get-your-vote

I won't be posting another... It is uncharacteristic for me to do it once!

END THE FED

END THE FED, When he understands that this is critical, and then explains how he would like to start doing so, Ie Ron Paul's competing currencies, I would start to warm to him.

He would also have to publically come out and say the KONY 2012 movement was a bad idea, and looks like it was designed to build up public sentiment, especially with the young people, by pulling at heart strings to generate anger, so they would support a war in Uganda, a war with ulterior motives.

But most important -

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This is a fantastic thread, and should have many more votes.

I'll vote for Gary Johnson when he decides to do more research and truly understand things like liberty, the constitution, and austrian economics. He's like I was before I learned about Ron Paul: I thought drugs should be legal and that these wars are well intended and we needed to cut these socialist programs, but I never knew about the federal reserve, the military industrial complex, and heaps more. If Johnson wants my vote, he's going to have to prove himself. As all you Johnson supporters say, "he may be no Ron Paul, but...". Exactly. Let's educate him. Because if we don't, I'm not going to vote for him, and I bet many others wont either.

Liberty|Death

I was hoping the thread would gain traction...

I'm going to post one more similar thread and leave it at that... people are really annoyed by all the Johnson talk... I am/was one of them. I was very resistant at first and couldn't figure out why! I blame Ron Paul of course!

I'm still considering GJ.

He already does support you.

He already does support you.

“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

From Gary Johnson's official

From Gary Johnson's official site: "Life is precious and must be protected. A woman should be allowed to make her own decisions during pregnancy until the point of viability of a fetus."

Which is it? Johnson either believes that the unborn child has the right to be born or he doesn't.

For me, this is a deal breaker. But still, I'm glad he'll be on the ballot in all 50 states.

This is what I've been asking

This is what I've been asking for. For Johnson himself to respond to those who still support Paul. And it seems with the town hall that's happening, he may do just that. I'm looking forward to hearing more from the man himself. That is what will make the decision for me, the candidate himself acknowledging this issue, not supporters trying to do the same.

I'll check back in on the 10th, :).

Have you spoken with him yet?

Have you spoken with him yet? If not you really should. He is a genuine good man. And that's coming from someone who has a high distrust towards office seekers, and the State in general. I suggest you call him and leave your name. I wouldnt be surprised if he called you back. Thats the kind of guy he is.

I had the good fortune to hear Governor Gary Johnson speak at a dinner back in the late 90's. I was so impressed by what I heard from this "Republican" that it lead me to discover there were other "Republicans" like him serving in government such as Ron Paul, Sonny Bono, Walter Jones, Butch Otter, Jim Gray. I don't know how many times over the past 10 years I have used the phrase "if Republicans were more like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, and less like Rick Santorum and George Bush" during political discussions with my Republican friends and family members.

I was thrilled he and Dr Paul would both be on the debate stage tag teaming the neo-con gang from 2 similar but slightly different libertarian positions, with Johnson reeling in all those Fair Tax'ers who split from Ron in 08 when Huckabee adopted the Fair Tax position. I figured he and Ron would be in the Top 4 heading into Florida. But as we now see, the establishment broke its own rules time and time again to contain the Paul effect.

Personally I hate the Fair Tax plan. I'm with that plan all the way thru the repealing of the 16th amendment. But everything after that [Boortz Fair Tax Plan]I would urge him to veto it [and he may. He's a big fan of veto power]. If he insists on sticking to a consumption tax plan, then he should consider the one consumption tax plan that Ron Paul is on the record saying he would vote for that bill- the 1% plan. [1% tax at each point of sale. no deductions. no exemptions.]

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I have too

Very impressive in person. Actually listens and has a conversation with you. No rush or BS telling you what you want to hear. I had the impression that he actually gave a rats damn.

Thetis

smart person--

He needs to 'join' the 'movement'--

instead of expecting everyone to jump on his wagon--

I will not jump on his wagon; it doesn't appear to have very sturdy wheels--

but . . . he can help in the liberty movement--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I will say it again..

If he wants our support, then you should bring his happy ass over here and get it. I will support him as long as the address is all the key issues of our platform. I will even volunteer in campaign for him. Only if he addresses us directly.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

probably affraid he'll be stoned

lol He's probably afraid he'll be dragged thru the streets of DP town and stoned to death like that legalize liberty guy.

But seriously, you raise a good point because there are other Liberty Candidates who post here on the DP. And your comment also got me to wondering, if Dr Paul maybe never could post here because of gray areas in the laws or something?

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I agree completely

It is not that I don't think that he isn't better than the other two, the problem is that he is the "LEAST bad" ie lesser of the evils.

I think that he can realistically move towards Ron Paul's positions in:

1- Audit the Federal Reserve part of his platform
2- Ending drone strikes
3- He should also renounce to his concept of "Humanitarian intervention" (Kony, ect)
4- Dialog / Trade with all/any country

I don't think he can REALISTICALLY promise (and keep his promise) to bring all the troops home but he should at least promise that he would withdraw some of the troops and gradually work his way down from there (He can do that as Commander in Chief).

I understand that he cannot start speaking about "sound money" because he doesn't have the knowledge to adequately explain that to the American people without falling into the traps his opponents will surely set him up for when questioning him. So it should suffice, for now, to put in his platform to support the Fed Audit.

If he agrees on the first three of the items above, I would consider him a great alternate to Dr.Paul and would gladly vote for him...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Re: sound money

[I understand that he cannot start speaking about "sound money" because he doesn't have the knowledge to adequately explain that to the American people without falling into the traps his opponents will surely set him up for when questioning him. So it should suffice, for now, to put in his platform to support the Fed Audit.]

I think you're right and I totally agree. But I did see an interview recently where he was asked "paper or gold" and he returned the question something like "wouldn't it be great if we all had that choice" then answered the interviewers question, if it were up to him he prefers gold. So that's kind of promising. If he's serious about changing monetary policy in that direction as President, he's definitely going to need someone with a solid understanding of the issue to be his Senior Economic Adviser. Any recommendations? lol

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For starters, Jim Grant for Fed chairman

it was RP's choice and a good one IMO:
http://www.nysun.com/editorials/ron-pauls-fed-chairman/87573/

Thomas Woods can also be a good Secretary of Treasury or an economic adviser, Joeseph Salerno can be a good adviser and, of course, Ron Paul can also be a good adviser...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

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that's good positive thinking

Foreign Policy tops my list, then acceptance of the NAP as that is possible for a Constitutionalist (Ron Paul was good at this.)

maybe make a post here

It would be helpful if the GJ would have a post here explaining his position on foreign policy, banking and finance, preventive war and torture and Obamacare. I realize that his is prochoice but what about the HHS mandate requiring employers to pay for contraceptives?

Vickie

He is having a town hall 9/10

- just for Ron Paul supporters... very smart.

Here is that thread on the DP

More Like Ron Paul

Ron Paul was also planning on significantly reducing the budgets of the FDA and CDC. Both are government agencies that have been corrupted by the influence of special interest (primarily pharmaceutical) money to the point of being a danger to US public health.

#4 - Reduce FDA budget 40%
#5 - Reduce CDC Budgets 20%

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Shut down the FED and

Shut down the FED and CIA.
Let me opt out of Social Security.
Don't give my money to Israel.
Don't tax and regulate cannabis, just make it legal to grow and sell however we want to... like everything in the market should be.

End The Fed!
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You mean this re foreign aid America has to borrow to give?

"President Barack Obama in late 2009 approved an additional $2.77 billion for Israeli foreign aid in 2010, and another $30 billion over the next decade." http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/27/time-foreign-aid-israe...

Or did you mean this? Given that Israel's defense budget is predicated on expected foreign aid from the U.S., and after Mitt Romney said in the debates that he agreed that foreign aid must be "zero based," i.e., not guaranteed but re-evaluated each year, he took some flak for the remarks - which were quickly "clarified." (Read: he took back what he'd said.) "On Sunday, Romney spokesman Ryan Williams insisted that Romney only supports zero-base budgeting for Pakistan, and didn’t mean to leave any other impression at the debate." That is, at the debate he said what he thought the nation wished to hear, not what he'd intend to actually do. http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2011/11/taking-fire-o...

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To push Gary to support us.

What I think he needs to do is go to college campuses like Ron Paul did. Also he should try to get people who spoke at Ron Paul's 'We Are The Future' rally to endorse him.

What we should do?
Donate
Volunteer as I have for the LP
Talk about him whenever he can so people want to know more

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

GJ is doing that

Local media reports it.
He was just speaking at one university the other day.

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I saw that

on his facebook page. I wish he would come to Virginia.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

? Your reply has nothing to do with my post

You are listing things Gary should do to emulate Paul - and then listing things we can do for Gary.

I am looking for Gary to change his positions on some key points.

i know

i was bored

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

+1

For being funny