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Should Gary Johnson Step Down and Offer Ron Paul the Top Slot So We All Can Win?

Regardless of our emotional attachment to the candidates the logic is iron-clad and irrefutable. Ron Paul has a standing offer to be Johnson's VP, according to Lawyers for Paul's Richard Gilbert, but he is not interested. Without Paul on the ticket the Libertarians poll at 1% like always. With Paul on the ticket, who is now polling at 18%, both Paul and Johnson are instantly in the debates. The media smells a possible upset because, no matter how much the try to ignore him, Paul can fill a UCLA-sized stadium with 10,000 people anytime he wants.

The media has its orders to ignore Paul, but they don't like to feel left out.

Now the race is a three-way race with neither side being able to call Paul/Johnson a spoiler because they draw from the conservatives and Obama's defected anti-war left. Those kids at Strauss Stadium are NOT Romney supporters. Without Paul, they'll probably go for Obama.

This question of stepping down should be at the top of Johnson's upcoming town hall. Say Jim Grey, a grown-up and sensible man, likes the logic and is named for future Attorney General.

The Paul/Johnson Revolution grows. Now everyone REALLY wants to know what all the fuss is about, and we spread the word of sound money, the Fed's relationship to wars, ending the bail-outs, and restoring our beloved Constitutional rights.

It would require a meeting of the candidates and the LP national committee to change the batting order "for cause," according to the by-laws. Gary Johnson stepping to on-deck would constitute "cause."

LP registration skyrockets 10,000 percent in one week.

We spend the next four years taking over the Republican Party for a Ron run in 2016. It would be up to Gary if he wants to come along. They will treat us fairly because WE will now be the Republican Party. They can't use the rules against us because WE will be making the rules. If the Neocons hardliners who don't like what has happened to the party do not sit down when they have had their fair say and are interfering with the agenda, we will ask them to leave. If they do not leave, we will have them arrested.

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Why Dr. Paul will not join the LP Ticket in 2 words

Rand Paul

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Ron Paul

ran his race and accomplished more than most people thought would happen; look at audit the fed. He is going to continue to be the leading force of liberty, but he deserves time to relax in Texas with his family after 30 long years of fighting for us. It is time we move on and let him rest for a while. Lets concentrate on getting other liberty candidates elected. He fought and still is fighting for our liberties. Now it is our time to rise above the non-sense. Ron Paul is not going to run third party; sorry to say so but he is done for the 2012 presidential reality show. Let us get Gary into the debates so we can have a voice on the national stage with the banker puppets.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

If I was Gary Johnson

I would step aside for the better man.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

I will be writing in DR Paul

DR Paul should be POTUS!!!! the most honest consistent deserving individual to the office of President Of The United States! Just bring a pen to cast your vote and write in large letters in permanent ink"Dr Ron Paul" 42 states allow it over 90% of electoral votes are in those states.

That will show them elderly polls workers!

Why don't you bring spray paint and paint Ron Paul all over the inside of your polling booth! This even works on touch screen! Maybe some of the poll workers will mention it over drinks afterwards! 42 states allow a write in? Let's source that statement because I have sources that 40 states don't allow it: http://www.dailypaul.com/248500/presidential-write-in-laws-b...

Anonymous Libertarians

They've lost their minds....

Flouride, vaccinations, chemtrails, pesticides, sugar, bleached flour, msg, HFSC. They can't comprehend what you're telling them anymore. They don't understand that Ron is not asking for their vote, he doesn't care if you vote for him. He said Gary Johnson is wonderful, and his voters should take a look at him. That means "I RON PAUL AM NOT RUNNING...DON"T WASTE YOUR VOTE>>>>:" How much more does it take. REALLY.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Great idea to use a permanent marker and make your vote

loud and clear.

That's an idea I can behind you on.


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


Ron Paul is not a Libertarian and will not run as one.
He will, however, join a new "Constitutionalist Party" should one form and he has said that he expects this if Republicans do not let his followers in.
So there you have it.
Ron Paul expects a new party to be formed,
and he has said so.
I know there is all ready a Constitution Party so Im not sure what he meant.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


Richard Gilbert has ZERO credibility and he needs to quit using Ron Paul and Gary Johnson to promote himself. You don't like how the GOP treated you and now you are trying to do the same thing to the Libertarian Party by thwarting the will of the Libertarian Party Delegates and take over the party to put your choice on the ballot.

Why does it require Ron Paul to be on the ticket for you and the people that you say would suddenly be Libertarians to vote for the liberty candidate that is on the ballot? Why can't they listen to Ron Paul when he says that he is not running? Why can't they make the next logical move instead of living in the past?

Anonymous Libertarians

Who gives a **** outside the DP or RPF?

NO ONE. Including not Ron Paul himself.

You are the worst Johnson troll here

who cares what you think?

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Why does anyone think the LP nomination is GJ's to give away?

The nomination "belongs" to the members of the LP, not to the nominee. He can't decide on his own that someone else should represent them in the general election.

It requires only a meeting of the national committee and

the candidates to determine the substitution is "for cause," the words in the by-laws. Johnson stepping down and saying "I don't want to do it." The national committee then votes to make the nominee Ron Paul. The same takes place with Jim Grey, then Johnson is voted VP.

The LP garden club who thinks the party is mainly a way to see all their friends every month is pissed off and leaves. Good. Sweep out the deadwood. Libertarian registration will skyrocket by 10,000 percent in one week, all fresh, energetic faces who want to change the world. Not meet for tea and crumpets until they die.

If it was not do-able, why does Paul have a standing offer for VP you guys are all for? Isn't he printed on the ballot too? You mix and match your arguments to avoid the unavoidable. Gary Johnson is being a jerk.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Richard Gilbert is being a self promoting jerk.

This is Richard, failed lawsuit, Gilbert's ego boost gone awry.

Read what Libertarian Party Chairman Geoffrey Neal actually said about Ron Paul being on the Libertarian Party Ticket:


Iowa's ballots were sent to the printer yesterday. How many states already have their ballots printed? Time to face the facts: Ron Paul will not be on the ballot and Ron Paul is no longer running for president in 2012. Now lets get on with the real fight for Liberty instead of these distractions that cripple our cause.

Anonymous Libertarians

Ron has shown no interest in this.

I'm all for it since it would advance the cause of liberty, but it would be up to Ron to initiate this move, as you can't have a two term governor LP candidate step down without a willing Ron Paul as his replacement.

Here's one:

How about actually finishing what you started.

How about holding these politicians accountable and do something meaningful about it.

How about reading this and go from there:




Or, do what gop/rnc did to us and do the same to the LP. That would set a great example!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Haven't some State ballots

Haven't some State ballots already been printed. It sounds like this is not an option.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

I was surprised to see Texas has not printed their ballots yet.

I tried to find a sample ballot for Texas to see a list of which third party candidates will be on it and the ballot has not been printed yet.

That is correct. But this crowd doesn't seem to understand

or care.

They just want what they want like spoiled little children.

Yes, the people are losing

Yes, the people are losing their minds. When Ron Paul says he wants to run third party, then I will know he wants my vote, then I will give it to him. Other than that, why would I throw away a vote on someone who doesn't want it.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

You seem to have forgotten that

Dr. Paul declined to run on a third party ticket and is certainly not planning to run in 2016 when he will be 80 years old. Running a campaign is a grueling process. It is time for someone else to pick up the banner for 2016. If Obama wins because I vote third party, so be it. But, if enough people vote libertarian, the republicans have only themselves to blame.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free

Gary Johnson should step down & apologize to Dr Paul

That is all.

Fight the Ron Paul blackout on the Daily Paul (now 'P AU L'), put his removed poster back as your avatar:


Gary Johnson has been praising Dr. Paul.

Support the Constitution of the United States

Yeah, like the serpent from the tree

Did you hear about the 30 hookers fiasco at the Sun Dome?

Google it.

Fight the Ron Paul blackout on the Daily Paul (now 'P AU L'), put his removed poster back as your avatar:

Apologize for endorsing him?

On national television?


hesitation and immediately imo. It would be the honorable thing to do.


You are forgetting the ironclad fact that if this were to happen

it would mean some states would kick the LP off entirely. So you'd lose some states in order to get some. (a net loss, the LP might make 50, under your plan, they will NOT)

Now, this doesn't just apply to the top of the ticket.

Now, candidates for state and local office and House and Senate, they are off the ballot too.

And in some cases, they can't get back on for a couple of years without spending thousands in petitioning. If they can even manage to get back on.

Your "ironclad" logic leaves out this very nasty consequence.

You'll be pissing in the face of diehard liberty activists that are trying to make a difference all so you can stroke your ego and vote for Paul in some other state.

Then reality takes over. The media does black them out and ignore them. They aren't in polls. They don't make the debates. And they get a few percent in November.

In the meantime - you just decimate the LP ballot access.

You just pissed off hundreds of activists and candidates who got shafted to please you.

Seriously - THINK before you mouth off next time.

NO - this should not happen. It is too late.

The time to do this is LONG past.

There are too many cases where this will cause more harm than good.

And on top of that, they will not win. Even if the TPTB have to outright in the open steal the election - they will do so.

And there is nothing you nor anyone else is going to do to stop them.