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Should Gary Johnson Step Down and Offer Ron Paul the Top Slot So We All Can Win?

Regardless of our emotional attachment to the candidates the logic is iron-clad and irrefutable. Ron Paul has a standing offer to be Johnson's VP, according to Lawyers for Paul's Richard Gilbert, but he is not interested. Without Paul on the ticket the Libertarians poll at 1% like always. With Paul on the ticket, who is now polling at 18%, both Paul and Johnson are instantly in the debates. The media smells a possible upset because, no matter how much the try to ignore him, Paul can fill a UCLA-sized stadium with 10,000 people anytime he wants.

The media has its orders to ignore Paul, but they don't like to feel left out.

Now the race is a three-way race with neither side being able to call Paul/Johnson a spoiler because they draw from the conservatives and Obama's defected anti-war left. Those kids at Strauss Stadium are NOT Romney supporters. Without Paul, they'll probably go for Obama.

This question of stepping down should be at the top of Johnson's upcoming town hall. Say Jim Grey, a grown-up and sensible man, likes the logic and is named for future Attorney General.

The Paul/Johnson Revolution grows. Now everyone REALLY wants to know what all the fuss is about, and we spread the word of sound money, the Fed's relationship to wars, ending the bail-outs, and restoring our beloved Constitutional rights.

It would require a meeting of the candidates and the LP national committee to change the batting order "for cause," according to the by-laws. Gary Johnson stepping to on-deck would constitute "cause."

LP registration skyrockets 10,000 percent in one week.

We spend the next four years taking over the Republican Party for a Ron run in 2016. It would be up to Gary if he wants to come along. They will treat us fairly because WE will now be the Republican Party. They can't use the rules against us because WE will be making the rules. If the Neocons hardliners who don't like what has happened to the party do not sit down when they have had their fair say and are interfering with the agenda, we will ask them to leave. If they do not leave, we will have them arrested.

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Don't hate the player, hate the game!!!

Gary Johnson will win without RP on his ticket

He wins if he wins & if he has a strong showing but does not win he still wins because he becomes the official opposition in the country.

Obama loses both ways because he will preside over an economic collapse.

Romney does not matter he has zero chance to win.

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official opposition?

... or controlled opposition

... that is the question . . .

Gary Will Lose-Only Paul Would Win as President on LP ticket!

I voted this OP up! With the economy the way it is, and the Dems & Reps
the way they are, I think Americans would glady support a 3rd party. We
need to make this happen.


I don't have a single answer

I don't have a single answer for you. Logically, I think that you are probably correct. But when I try to see this from the aspect or angle of fairness I think that it would be wrong because Ron Paul could have had that position if he had wanted it. But instead he turned it down and he chose to stay where he was at and basically dug himself a dry well. Both Johnson and Paul, both being savvy politicians, both knew very well what the GOP was going to do, Johnson went where he was wanted and continued working. And now we want Johnson to voluntarily give up what he has worked for just because Ron Paul supporters like RP better. That is not a fair thing to do to GJ in my opinion. Has RP said unequivically that he refuses to be the VP, but that he would take the top spot on the ticket? I have to seriously question your idea of a Ron Paul run in 2016. There is a very good chance that Dr. Paul will either not be alive in 2016 or that his mental faculties will not allow him to be sharp enough by that time to be able to do the job. I supported RP in his run in 2008 and in 2012, but this is over. Leave him be and let him enjoy his remaining years with his wife and grandchildren. That is my opinion…even if I don't like it.

Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!

LOL Dr. Paul will dance on your grave, and mine too,

his mother lived to 97and his father to 94. Another grandparent lived to 90. That is why Doug Wead said he wasn't kidding when he talked about 2016. Remember when he challenged all the suits in the GOP debates to a 20 miles bike race in the Texas summer heat? He meant that too.

He is from one of those families of people who are just getting started when they are 75, thank you God.


my thread

"A Huge Write-In Vote For Ron Paul Will Make a 2016 Run Real!"

Release the Sandy Hook video.

if the RNC can change their rules at the last second

... then don't give me this crap about "Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura can't be the LP 2012 ticket. There's a frickin' way and they WILL WIN if they get new management, new spokesperson, new ideas, and new connections with their incredible grassroots. It CAN be done.

I thought the GOP changing their rules at the last second was a

bad thing, but now the LP doing it is a good thing?

Sounds like you have a serious case of the Double Standards. You should have that checked out.

JustLiberty4US's picture

If Ron Paul joined the

If Ron Paul joined the Johnson ticket (either for President or VP) that would be a win for the liberty movement. Since so many (Republicans, Dems. and Independents) are desperate for a "real" choice, I think it would be an easy win.

If the Paul/Johnson ticket did not win, it would still push the liberty movement forward. I don't see the downside. In response to Rand supporters: 2016 is a long time away.

Some on the DP forum expressed that Dr. Paul needs his rest. Yes, this is probably true. However, we are only talking about eight weeks. That's not a big time commitment.

I think the benefits of a LP run for Dr. Paul and the movement strongly out way the risks involved (i.e. losing).

It doesn't work like that.

It doesn't work like that.
Oh, for VP perhaps. Not for the presidential nod though.
I'd love to see Paul as VP.
I don't know if ballot access is an issue though since the VP name has already been announced.

A third party run with Dr. Paul as President has a chance.

GJ does not stand a chance. Obama will tear him up in a debate. Dr. Paul would destroy Obama and Romney by providing a clear alternative. This may be the right time for a third party candidate to actually win the Presidency.

Good post.

Nice thought, except....

Gary Johnson was selected at a convention. It isn't his to give away as if he is a king. The nomination belongs to the party. They would have to reconvene.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

It would take the candidates and the party leadership to

change the batting order "for cause," according to the by-laws. Gary Johnson stepping down would constitute "cause."

Release the Sandy Hook video.

GJ is "cause"

GJ is "cause"