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Virgil Goode - A Liberty Alernative in 2012?

How close are Ron Paul and Virgil Goode on the issues?

Here is a quote from Virgil Goode -

"When the commentary begins in the Middle East, in no way do I want to comfort and encourage the radical Muslims who want to destroy our country and who want to wipe the so-called infidels like myself and many of you from the face of the Earth. In no way do I want to aid and assist the Islamic jihadists who want the green flag of the crescent and star to wave over the Capitol of the United States and over the White House of this country. I fear that radical Muslims who want to control the Middle East and ultimately the world would love to see ‘‘In God We Trust’’ stricken from our money and replaced with ‘‘In Mohammed We Trust.’’

I am not sure that reinforcing the existing troops by 20,000 will save us from the jihadists, and I am not sure it will prevent chaos in Iraq. I do hope that these additional forces will stabilize Baghdad and will lead to democracy and a tolerance of divergent views and religions in Iraq. Unfortunately, the history of that region does not bode well for such conclusions."

Retrieved from the official government account (PDF): http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2007-02-15/pdf/CREC-2007-0...

Goode voted against - D 110 1st U.S. House of Representatives 99 H CON RES 63 Disapproving of the decision of the President announced on January 10, 2007, to deploy more than 20,000 additional United States combat troops to Iraq. The resolution also contained language such as:

"DoD has awarded contracts for its foreign deployments that have been grossly more wasteful than domestic contracts, especially in Iraq."

Ron Paul voted for this resolution, while Goode voted "Nay."

Here is the official vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll099.xml

Here is a copy of the resolution at thomas.loc.gov: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/T?&report=hr069&dbname...

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In addition, Virgil Goode was a cosponsor for online poker prohibition - The Internet Gambling Prohibition Act - in 2006.

From thomas.loc.gov: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR04777:@@@P

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Is Virgil Goode a 2012 Liberty alternative? You decide.




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These are just some of the things that caused me

to decide NOT to vote for Virgil Goode and vote for Mitt Romney instead. If I'm going to vote for someone who supported the Iraq War, that person might as well have a chance at unseating Barrack Obama.

The way he treated us Romney has shown

He's ruthless does not think the rules apply to him, thinks nothing of trampling on the little guy.

So how is he any better than Obama

We can't let them push us around, its the voting for the lesser evil the two evils rely on.

It's better to let Obama win...

Then when the proverbial SHTF, the left can get blamed for once... not "deregulation". If Romney wins, and they actually do manage to repeal Dodd-Frank the media will blame "deregulation" for the next downward turn in the economy.

2013-2014 will be horrible years for the world economy, let the left get blamed like they should for once.

Not to mention I don't believe Romney really wants to repeal the more popular parts of Obamacare such as the provision that makes it illegal to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, which obviously will do nothing but cause the price of insurance to soar even higher.

Don't forget the "constitution" party...

Wants harsher drug laws at the federal level. Virgil Goode is *NOT* a good alternative.

Agreed but he's not even in enough states to win

not the he could either way, and the amount that we do agree on I can look over that we have a few disagreements. Plus hope that if some of us worked with them we could persuade them on that, I know I didn't think that about the way till I really look deeply into it. Its the opinion we're spoon fed, with all sorts of emotions charges mixed in...

It's because we disagree I think we should reach out to them LP are already with us ideologically, they are already one over, but I guess we can spread our message with them to others.

Plus I think they'd be a good protest vote to hit the status-quo where it hurts, just like the LP...

At this stage of the game

in the liberty movement (but not limited to it), a vote for Goode or any candidate (and I'm not familiar with him), can serve several purposes:

-protest vote
-if he's legit, reward for a candidate who has a future in the liberty movement
-a vote of one's conscience
-win an election
-strategic value

in this case, Goode will most likely be a protest vote, or a reward for him, or voting one's conscience. or some combination.

Why go Goode after reading that?

Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in WAY more states.

Spreading the vote out doesn't make as much sense as uniting to have one, loud, cohesive voice. Johnson provides us with that opportunity.

We can and should do both.

Goode regrets his positions on the wars, and there are many in the CP who are not happy with his former positions and are skeptical of him like us, as they are an Anti-war party... I think those are the people we aught be reaching out to, those in the CP.

There are paleo-cons and libertarians that may sit better with Goode I implore them and anyone who likes the CP to work with them and try to spread a constitutional message with them. The CP may be able to reach people, pro-lifers, conservatives that it might be hard to get to vote for Johnson perhaps... They are the third biggest party, and Romney is no real conservative after all.

Hopefully if we worked with them we could get some in the CP to see that the state cannot beat the market in the drugs war or at least that it's not a Federal issue whilst they're at it.

I think others should work with the LP and spread the message with them, we can reach people with them obviously. We can have a multi-pronged strategy as a liberty movement can we not.

Goode couldn't hope to get more than a fraction of a percentage

in the general election.

When people 10 years from now in the Liberty Movement hear the name - Virgil Goode - they will say, "Who is that?" On the other hand, Gary Johnson will be recognized.

Given Goode's statements in the past and actions as a Congressman (supporting troop increases in Iraq as late as 2007), I can't see why he would be considered by many as a legitimate alternative to make a statement.

He will barely be noticed.

I changed the title...

it was drawing too much away from the post.

No. Ron Paul is a once in a

No. Ron Paul is a once in a lifetime statesman. No one will take his place. The best anyone can do is strive to be as principled as Ron Paul. That alone has great merit.

There probably

Won't be someone with standards that are the same as Ron Paul in the next Century, many will try, but they won't be Ron Paul.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

You're right, he's not

And neither is GJ.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

Pssssst... they will ban you for this descension

The correct answer is...

"GJ, never has there been a man such as him. Clearly he is god of gods, master of OLYBERTARIANUS. I flush at his sight and oh so ever quiver to the songful word.

Oh and Paul is not on the ballot blablablabla retirement blbablablababal you stupid Paulites stuck in the past blbalbablaing you love Romney and Obama blalbablabla leave this site!"

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Point out EXACTLY where someone said...

"GJ, never has there been a man such as him. Clearly he is god of gods, master of OLYBERTARIANUS. I flush at his sight and oh so ever quiver to the songful word."

You can't because no one ever said it.

GJ has many of the same

GJ has many of the same positions as a libertarian... and doesn't share the "force my beliefs on you through law" BS that Goode does.

Supporting Johnson and voting for him offers the highest potential for the country and the liberty movement in both the 2012 and in the GOP 2016 elections... EVEN IF he's not a true libertarian.

Bottom line... voting for Johnson does more good for all of us (even the world regarding less policing and constitutional declarations of war) than a write-in vote for Paul that only you'll remember.

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I heard he said his ealier positions

were "naive".

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That was a different poster...

get your facts straight.

Is he a Ron Paul "reincarnate"?

You've got to be flippin' kidding me. That question itself is so ridiculous. Makes you seem like a cultist.

You clicked on it...

Did you read it?

Good job my friend

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