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Johnson is a five minute run - Why Johnson isn't that important

Johnson is a five minute run. You'll hear about him some for the next two months, and that will be it.

He is not Ron Paul, and has not written numerous books, speeches, or made news casts and interviews, or held hearings over the federal reserve, and will not have a lasting effect.

It's a mistake to remove Ron Paul's picture from the forum, or burn bridges with supporters who can't support Johnson. Five minutes for Johnson isn't worth that.

In my opinion, the most important thing to do is organizing so we don't have to go back to another four years of acting like individuals being trampled on by the media-government state, but can be an organized people. I wrote a thread on that here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/253966/most-important-thing-to-do-r...




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What is up with the attitude that voting for Gary Johnson is being disloyal to Ron Paul ?

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In my opinion, and my opinion ALONE they want major traffic increase here to sell it and sell it before the election.
and this is the ONLY reason for the GJ threads here.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

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5% gets fec matching funds for the libertarian party

which means more money for future pro liberty tv advertising to wake up the masses. it's also a warning shot across the republican bow and a plan b should rand 2016 not pan out.

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Another fantasy based on pure MSM invention

-it's also a warning shot across the republican bow

Um GJ is a Republican. He changed party in 2011 because the MSM was looking for a third party candidate. RP refused and Nader did not run.

The MSM found the spoiler they were looking for. Any message will be whitewashed or blacked out.

A vote for President, any President is a vote of confidence for the Office of President and all the evils done by Presidents since 1988.

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What you are not taking in

to count. Is that there has to be a showing of descent against the party that stole this election from Ron Paul. By giving Gary Johnson a decent vote tally that would shake the pubs up. If we splinter and go all in different directions. The republican Party will do the same thing to us the next time. There has to be blowback.

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No reason to believe that the GOP cares one wit.

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Exactly. The only way to

Exactly. The only way to make them care is to slit their throats with your (metaphorical) swords. Start calling your tens a "shadow GOP", and I bet they'll care.

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Ron Paul and Johnson!

Ron Paul and Johnson!

"you're a funny dude, but who gives a fuck about that? I don't care about someone's wit, I care about the courage of their heart and the honesty of their mind."

He is going to be on an Austin PBS talk show tomorrow.

I don't know if I will watch.

Oh, it's already been taped and up on the web-

For you Johnson fans on the Daily Johnson: http://www.klru.org/overheard/episode/gary-johnson/?clip=0

I agree

Johnson is a 5 minute run (2 months) and thats exactly why you should get behind him and support him so that the message of LIBERTY is spread to a wider audience in the general election/debate.

now let me find that gun and shoot myself in the head for replying to such a stupid fkn post.

at this point and time

at this point and time Johnson is who I am voting for. Are you going to vote for Obama or Romney? The only other Option is Goode. Just because Johnson is now one of 2 candidates top vote for does not mean that we are going to forget about Ron Paul. Voting for Johnson is not going to set us back 4 years.

So you support the Status Quo.

Do you buy Iron pyrite also to send a message to the markets?

If we want to spread the message of liberty, we have to do it. No one else can be trusted with that task.

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I'm going to vote for Goode.

I'm going to vote for Goode. If you keep up acting like that towards Goode supporters, you are burning bridges. I don't mind if you vote for Johnson, it's your choice. But don't split the movement because someone else wants to vote for Goode.

5 minutes for Johnson isn't worth that. Ron Paul is a leader that lasts a lot longer than that.

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Things like he is a theocracy

Slams like he is a theocracy candidate is not a real reason not to support someone, it's a slam. The Constitution party is not a party that wants to impose a theocracy. It is slams like this by Johnson supporters that is exactly burning bridges with other supporters.

In 2008, Ron Paul supported the Constitution party, and endorsed Chuck Baldwin, who was a pastor - so I doubt Virgil Goode is more of a "theological" candidate then that.

Ron Paul made it clear he did not want to split the movement into factions, and in fact reached out to all the 2008 third party candidates. That Johnson supporters are trying to do exactly what Dr. Paul was trying not to tells me all I need to know about Johnson suppoters.

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Ron endorsed Chuck Baldwin

in 2008 because Baldwin was the most libertarian candidate on most states' general election ballots. He was a pastor, but he was LESS theocratic and MORE in favor of religious liberty than Bob Barr. That is simply not true of Virgil Goode. Not only is Gary Johnson the most libertarian candidate on the general election ballot, it would appear, objectively, that GJ is more libertarian than Rand Paul, whom so many on this site give a pass to because of his last name.

Max, you're confused about the religious/political

issues. Being a pastor, even being a devout Christian, doesn't make you a supporter of theocracy. Ron Paul is a devout Christian, and is one of the greatest opponents of theocracy of our time.

In my opinion, Virgil Goode IS, to a certain extent, a supporter of theocracy, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HIS PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE.

I am not "religious", I am a Christian. And any ties between Christianity and government give Christianity a bad name. "Theocracy," in spite of what its proponents claim, is not "rule by God." It is rule by fallible humans claiming to be doing God's work. Any theocracy, IMHO, would be an abomination in God's eyes.

You might wish to read some history and look at the writings and words of that great libertarian Baptist, Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island Colony.

Good Wikipedia Article on Roger Williams and his beliefs. He was as close to a libertarian as there was at that time in our history. And his condemnation of theocracy and "forced worship" was as strident as that of any atheist separationist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Williams_%28theologian%29

I own Roger Williams book and

I own Roger Williams book - and have recommended it on here.

Will you now concede to me that the anti-Christian virol here is too much sometimes, since I not only agree with Roger Williams position, but have advocated it.

Being a militant atheist is as bad as being a theocratic. Militant atheists have caused more murders over atheism than any other group in the last hundred years.

I won't work with groups that attack Christianity in any manner, because Christ is my priority.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Max

Yes, the anti-Christian bigotry is pretty bad here sometimes. But I get just as annoyed, actually more annoyed, by the arrogant "Christians" who seem to think they have the biggest "equipment" when arguing with atheists. When atheists make a fool of themselves, it just gives atheism a bad name. But when so-called "Christians" show themselves to be jerks, it gives Christianity a bad name.

The conversation typically goes like this:

Arrogant atheist to Christian: "I am so much more rational than you. If you wish to be a 'theo-slave' and ruin any chance you have at a happy life, I can't stop you."

Arrogant "Christian" to atheist: "I am so morally superior to you. You're going to face God and get judgement and go to Hell and burn forever (while relishing the thought)."

Honestly, both sides of this type of argument are just too full of themselves. It turns me off completely.

and that is why the message of liberty is so popular

People have to value their own freedom enough to protect the freedom of others. People just need to leave each other alone and stop with the authoritarianism.

Wish I could give you a bunch

of +'s. It amazes me how insecure people are in their own religious beliefs, such that they have to beat each other over the head to try to prove their point. A little patient love and understanding would go much further.

Goode is not Baldwin, and Johnson is not Barr

so I don't see what your point is.

I agree that people throwing around "theocracy" are being divisive and unhelpful.

However, the idea that Goode's record is that of a Ron Paul constitutional federalist is just false.

Support for Amtrak, Patriot Act, Iraq War, sanctions on every Middle East nation, farm price controls, gas "price gouging" prohibition, federal gambling restrictions, raising CAFE standards, Head Start, Cuban embargo, Minimum Wage increases, and federal "horse slaughter" prohibition are just some things that came up in my cursory sweep through his voting record.

This is more the record of a populist than a Ron Paul federalist. He's simply not a tenth ammendment defender or a non-interventionist.

I didn't speak on behalf of Goode...

I let Goode speak on behalf of himself, and Goode said (paraphrasing) - "I want 20,000 more troops to go to Iraq." That was in 2007.

As well, gambling prohibition is about as un-libertarian as one can get. His opinions on the Drug War are just as draconian.

I don't recall that Bob Barr

I don't recall that Bob Barr was exactly a libertarian candidate last time that the Libertarian party ran.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I see

people of Virginia voting for Goode to rock Romney's world. But, other than that the rest of the states would be better if they went for Johnson.

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