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If we cannot stand behind Rand Paul, it is over, it's done

That is the facts folks. We put a guy in the senate, we put him there, it was a huge step for liberty in my book, probably one of our greatest victories thus far. We sure want to make sure we scrutinize him though, we are sure to make sure that he has to fight the establishment but at the same time please all of us libertarian folk. No pressure though Rand, hopefully we will be so hard on you that you will have to become a neocon, yep thats the kind of pressure we put on him, and if you don't agree you have HUA disease, head up ass syndrome. What in the hell is going on in your mind to scrutinize the one person we put into office?? If you don't back Rand, you give me 100% evidence that you are an infiltrator or a troll, yep give me all of your truth is what counts BS to backup your claims for beating him down that you want, I am not with you. We get a man into office and we tear him down, are you really that stupid? If you bash Rand, then yes you are lacking intelligence, comment away all you want all is I will see or hear is bah, bah, I am still a sheeple. The game is rigged from top to bottom, and you know what, if Rand sells us the ship that we have been sailing on for all of these years and we sink, oh well, he fooled us and we were sunk before we even put up the sail. That would mean the whole game is rigged, from Ron Paul on up. We lose. Go against Rand and we lose, back him and we may lose, but we have no other choice at this point.

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seriously

Go to a county GOP central comittee meeting. The Precinct comittee spots are there for the asking. Even if they were all full (which they won't be) if you showed interst there would be at least half the room ready to abdicate the moment anyone else shows interest int he position. When you get involved as a comitteeman you geta vote on who gets funds from the local party, you know who the good canidates are, and if you are somewhat reasonable you will be asked to run for office within a few years. Plus, most of the good ol'boy problems with the liberty movement is the outside takeover perception, most don't even know they are 95% in agreement. Most don't know what we are standing for, or why. They only know what others have told them about us, and it isn't good. To win this fight we've got to get in the ring.

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Anybody know how any of

the other "liberty candidates" that were elected are doing? My understanding is that many are acquiescing to the pressures of of being a minority voice and are compromising to keep their jobs.

The political system in this country is way beyond broken and the newer/liberty Congressional folks attempting to fix it just don't seem to have the strength of mind and spirit.

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If Rand cannot stand with us, he is over, he is done!

People created this movement together, no leader chosen or self appointed got us as far as we have and the only reason we are stalling as a freedom movement is because too much trust was put into the people representing us and now people are looking for answers. Rand Paul should be looked to as a SERVANT not a SAVIOR. He isn't our only hope or our last chance, life goes on and there's other people that we can find that are less likely to pay politics or sell us out, enough with the melodrama. Your straining any credibility post-GOP convention if you think any of these games he has played with the establishment or compromises or endorsements have panned out whatsoever. They rubbed it in his face when they sent the TSA after Ron Paul as he was trying to leave Tampa. Rands silly little games could even get his father out of pat-down terrorist interrogation trying to leave on a private plane. Open yours eyes he got played like a rag doll.

I like your title better.

And your post nailed it.

Stand behind Ron Paul?

And do what? He's not exactly sending out any action signals. We don't even know who he'll support. Rand is the future? Forget it. He'll be another watered down Washington insider in no time, if not already. He couldn't even stand up for his dad. Pathetic.

alan laney

Who else

do we have that high up the chain. Wake up everyone.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I don't agree

It's not those who are standing, but those who are seated on committees that are backing Rand. Those who are standing are always prepared to run to the next fast food stand. We are seated at a feast of power, and we are going to put Rand to the head of the table, while they cry about the SOS. They don't have real solutions just cliches and red herrings.

After Nov most of these folks will be long gone with no where to go.

They don't see the BIG opportunity, they can't take the heat, they prefer waving signs in the streets thinking they are doing something besides being a road side attraction.

Those of us who did what Ron Paul asked are THE rEVOLution in the RepubliCAN Party. The rest are a liberty movement that will end in Nov.

"feast of power"?!?!?!

Yeah that's real libertarian...

Yeah!

Empower youself, step up to the feast, or let the fat cats continue to disempower you in the name of being a libertarian.

Just another politican...

Would I vote for him as a senator. Yes. And my family members voted for him and volunteered for him, back home. But he seems to want to cast off the bulk of his father's supporters and play both sides, half to his state (which I understand) and half to the establishment. Rand is NOT a libertarian... He is a quasi-establishment Republican playing both sides, and clearly does NOT want his father's passionate supporters in his campaign or speaking on his behalf. He will take their money, but otherwise completely distance himself from the grassroots. Ron never did that. And if you think your supporting what you loved about Ron when you support Rand, your confused. They are not close. Especially when you look at votes and positions...

The best of the worst is nothing to get agitated about. It's something to make you question if politics even matters at all...

When you become an absolutist and state that "we have no choice but to support..." all you have revealed is your weakness, and powerlessness, and irrelevance of the political system. If it truly is that weak. Then we need to move beyond it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzoYbWhVlY4&feature=player_em...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI_kqvz15hk&feature=player_em...

Rand Rocks

You know - we are so spoiled by Ron.

Ron is really an impossible figure... I have to say, I expected Rand to be a clone of Ron. Initially, I was disappointed - "How could he grow up in Ron's house and not 'be' Ron Paul??"

But - after seeing Rand work in the Senate - whoa! He is not his dad in the way he gets things done. He is much more of a politician.

The end result is what counts. I trust Rand to work towards the same end result.

I have to wonder if Rand is in cahoots with Ron. I wouldn't be surprised if it is all carefully orchestrated by the two of them. I'm also wondering if Robert Paul will be entering politics - and if he is the one that will take the mantle from Ron (whereas Rand may be playing the politician for Robert's benefit)... I also believe Jesse Benton is playing a role in the whole scheme... of course, I've made many foolish predictions - zero have panned out :)

There is a lot of people

In denial about the betrayal, they are coming up with some very silly pretzel logic trying to explain all of the selling out that's been going on.

Ron could not be in "cahoots" with Rand on any of this

Ron Paul doesn't have a deceitful bone in his body. It simply isn't in him. I could see him lying to the Gestapo ("Nein, there are no Jews here"), but we are not at that point yet. I have seen a great outpouring of hate on this site for Gary Johnson, yet Rand Paul gets a pass ("Oh, isn't it so cutesy wootsy how Rand Paul plays his political games") simply because of his last name. Enough!

This isn't deceit - it is politics

Ron not laying out his strategy is not deceit.

Rand playing Romney and the GOP... that is politics. Of course, Ron wouldn't play the role Rand is playing - but I think Rand is doing it with Ron's blessing and perhaps his direction (or at least input).

But - like I said... I'm usually wrong when I 'see' these schemes.

What I am sure of is that Rand is firmly on our side.

I'm not buying into his

I'm not buying into his strategy.... It smells like establishment republican to me... underhanded and treacherous.

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What? I just found out that Rand also voted for Romney in Tampa!

Rand Paul was a Kentucky national delegate. The Kentucky delegation cast its 45 votes unanimously for Romney. Conclusion, Rand Paul not only endorsed Romney, Rand also voted for Romney.

I'm am shocked about this. Did others here know about this? MaxK just brought this point out, and I still cannot get my head wrapped around this fact yet. It still has not sunk into my brain. I must have missed the discussion about this. Why was this point kept in the dark on the Daily Paul? I did not want to believe that this was true, so I did some research. It is true.

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/politics/2012/08/25/2012-re...
http://ingotnews.com/post/30435195767/complete-2012-rnc-dele...

Why be so shocked? Rand has never

been a libertarian. He recently referred to the consistently libertarian supporters who were the primary donors in his Senate campaign as "anarchists" (I don't consider that an insult, but he meant it as such, in spite of the fact that most of them, were, in fact, minarchists). He just hasn't broken free of the left-right paradigm. He still identifies more with the Rep label than any pro-liberty ideology.

As I implied below, I would be willing to support him if he had a libertarian conversion and had the guts to publicly apologize to the liberty movement for his deceit. Short of that, forget it!

Rand is the FUTURE....after....

Ron Paul Takes the White House in 2016....and.....2020.

Then after Constitutional Rule of Law has been returned to the people and "our" Economic ills have been set to right...and our troops are home....Rand will be the keeper of the flame.

OMG! What are you basing that

OMG! What are you basing that assumption on? What a lot of artificial romanticism! Nice try

Well, I kinda see it like this.

If he is truly playing a game with the GOP and is really on our side, then Ron Paul supporters coming against him will just confuse the GOP and make them believe Rand is theirs. If he does back their garbage and not the liberty movement, there will be more signs of it in his future voting record. We will just have to keep watch like we do with any politician.

If we don't sacrifice liberty to a noble collective we're done

Give up liberty to save liberty?

How about we work for liberty every day in every way?

That way a single personality is just one individual among many.

No single point of failure.

Ron Paul showed us that this approach is viable in modern politics. I don't recall any other candidate in recent US history pulling this off or even being interested in pulling it off.

Principle over personality.

A principle can't contradict itself but a personality can betray a principle. Peter and Judas are two famous examples.

Free includes debt-free!

He can stay in the Senate

Any credibility the "he just endorsed Romney because he promised to when he ran for Senate" argument had was discounted when Rand Paul said he would CAMPAIGN for Romney. That was completely unnecessary. After Romney loses epically in November we will have 4 years to find a true liberty candidate.

By the way, if you call anyone who disagrees with you a troll you are going to turn off a lot of people. This is a contentious issue and if you truly want to convince people you should phrase this post with respect and courtesy for others. We are all here to fight for liberty. We might have different ideas on how to move forward, but no one here is your enemy.

He Said He Would Campaign For Him, But Has He Done So?

Like Tom Pawlenty he was probably angling for a VP nod, and when it didn't come his promise to hit the campaign trail went up in smoke.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Fuck Rand Paul

I'd rather vote for Gary Busey... On a third party ticket

NO MORE LIES. Ron Paul 2012.

Rand is from my state. I

Rand is from my state. I might vote for him as senator, but since he didn't even vote for his father as a Kentucky delegate, I can't support him for a presidential run.

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SteveMT's picture

MaxK. We don't agree much, but this is 100% congruity.

I am shocked that this occurred. I did not know anything about this. I think I'm going to be sick again. Rand is gone. The last remnants of respect for him just vanished. He could have voted for Ron Paul and been on the short side of a 44-1 vote from Kentucky, but he chose instead not to do that and made it a unanimous 45 votes for Romney.

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Oh brother

Cut it out with the emotionalism.

Here's the question you need to ask: If this guy's last name wasn't Paul, would you support him? Don't let sentimentality cloud your judgement.

If the Guy's Last Name

Wasn't Paul, would he have even survived the Kentucky Republican Primary? Likely not.

No sentimentality here. If it walks like a duck......you know the rest.

I know what you're try to say...

... but that's exactly the point. His last name is "Paul" and people expect better from someone related to Ron "Paul."

It should come as no surprise that people are so emotional about Rand.

The familiarity should, and does, foster the hope that the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

As far as Rand is concerned... well, the jury is still out on him in my opinion.