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Do you really want the Libertarian Party to have MAJOR Party status in 2016?

Regardless if you agree with Gary Johnson's Pro Choice stance or the Libertarian Party's open borders platform or not, would you really want the Libertarian Party to have major Party status in 2016? I don't think it's a bright idea if you want to save this country. While the thought of another major party sounds really good, it might be really bad for The United States of America the next 2 or 3 presidential election cycles. The idea is to save the country, not punish a political party, like the GOP. If the Libertarian Party achieves major party status (Generally 5% of the vote nationwide) they get federal matching funds and achieve automatic national debate inclusion - the ultimate Libertarian Party wet dream. But while this sounds fantastic, it will ensure a Democrat/Socialists sweep for some time to come. The old USA will long turn into the new Greece by that time. And those in the Republican Party that you are thinking you are punishing will be laughing all the way to the bank. The power players in each party are not really from different political parties, they just use each party to further their power, corruption and greed. They are ambidextrous when it comes to political party allegiance and will switch to the party in power on the turn of a dime.

So if you think you want to elect Rand Paul, Judge Napolitano, Palin, Lee, or various other liberty leaning or anti-establishment candidates and other possibilities, you may but it won't be in 2016, 2020 or probably not even in 2024 - now if everyone all at once will promise to jump from the GOP to the LP there could be something happening in 2020, but I don't see that happening. On the choice issue, open borders, trade, I think the LP will not attract enough to overcome what's left of the GOP and the Democrat Parties. If the Green Party or some other party variation of the Democrats became strong, maybe.

So if you want to take over the GOP as Dr. Paul suggests, you might want to write him in, vote for the CP candidate, they are not on the ballot in all 50 states and cannot attain major party status, or vote for the LP where the CP is not on the ballot - mix it up.

So let's say you had Rand Paul, Hillary Clinton and a yet to be announced Libertarian Party candidate all on the debate stage together, all running on all 50 state ballots, all with federal matching funds. Who gets hurt the worst by the third major party, and who wins. I'm think Hillary wins, Rand comes in 2nd and LP candidate plays spoiler.

btw - doesn't have to be Rand people, just an example

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Make the Odds

My answer is yes. But I do not want the Libertarian candidate to be the spoiler...I want them to be the winner. Do I think it will happen? No. But I try not to play the odds; I try to make the odds.

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Not really.

I would rather see the libertarians be active in the GOP.

For those who say yes

Remember it only takes 3-5 people to form a county committee, if you're county doesn't already have one. Contact your state Libertarian Party and I'm sure they will be more than happy to help you make it all official.

A committee in every county by 2016.

If you're county has a committee, go to the meetings or get in touch with them and have them put you on their contact list.


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Yes, I indeed would like to see the LP gain major party status. We have a lot of pro-liberty folks wanting to seek office at all levels. The GOP changed the rules during the convention that kills grassroots within the party.

The LP has been more of a theoretical party, or maybe philosophical sandbox, for a long time. It represents pro-liberty philosophy though. A perfect place for pro-liberty candidates to find an agreeable place to run. Even libertarian leaning Republicans could jump parties and skip all of the resistance they get from the GOP (and which will now get even harder).

I look at Romney and Obama and see very little difference. Romney is the Republican National Committees anointed choice, so it's no accident that he's so much like Obama. The two major parties have merged into a quasi-single party, presenting the illusion of choice.

Time to break the stranglehold that the global financial elite has created with their control over the two major parties.

Not really.

It would be smarter to make every party a minor party. Any and all parties can be co-opted or taken over quite easily, as we have seen with the GOP/DNC. I rather much have voters vote on policies, the record of each candidate, and their principle. I don't see much principle in party politics. All they care about is getting into a position of power. This may not be true for the Libertarian party as of yet, but give any party power, and sooner or later it will be corrupted. Voters should be free thinkers, and really, there should be no parties. Imagine that. A group of candidates for president who cannot hide behind their party, but have to voice their own positions?
I agree with much of the Libertarian Philosophy, including the fact that it is wrong to see people in groups. That's what parties are, groups. I don't want any "group" politics.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

The more liberty voices the better

We are not just trying to win elections, we are trying to sway minds and hearts. Once that is done, the electoral victories fall right into place.

What if we had Dennis Kucinich against Jeb Bush, with no liberty alternative? Then who is the lesser of two evils? Rep leadership, by and large, is just as socialist/communist as Dem.

can't be done if you scatter the votes

all you are doing by giving another party status is splitting the vote up, you succeed at nothing but giving the Democrats wins

Why are we throwing away our prize?

All those Republican voter registrations added up to hundreds of new committee seats in the GOP.

GJ isn't even trying to grow the LP. All he asks is for a vote that defaults FOR Obama, the worst president in American history.

Meanwhile Palin is pumping her supporters into the committees to take OUR seats! She didn't earn them, WE DID.

If you actually want liberty, these seats are how we win.


Taking the Republican seats

Taking the Republican seats is great. Ron Paul helped us understand the importance of local action.

At the private voting booth, we can still vote our conscience instead of voting for more of the same with the current two candidates in the big parties.

Exactly voting for Johnson and the LP

will just scatter the movement.

Yes :)

No to fear mongering and voting the lesser of two evils and a resounding absolute YES! to the Libertarian Party!!!!

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

cool you will have a nice party but no country

umm not thinking that's a country I want to live in - good luck with that

Yep it's a nice party.

Living in fear like that is a pretty sad way to go through life buddy. Nobody is going to take my Country from me, thats something you can only give up and I wont.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

ha already a Libertarian Party hack

its about the country people, not the damn party!

Considering the fact that l

Considering the fact that l AM a Libertarian and a member of that party, yes.

as I thought

no different than GOP or Democrats, it's always about the party, not the country!

Political Parties are the downfall of America.

Sure thing bud.

Sure thing bud.