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Reason(s) to vote for Gary Johnson

Johnson supporters/Libertarian Party members want: To meet certain minimum thresholds to qualify as a major party so they don't have to jump though all sorts of hoops to get on the ballot.

Liberty-minded Republicans want: To take over the GOP and throw out Pribius/Sununu/Romneyesque-neocons etc.

Can we not help each other achieve these goals? Do we both not want easier ballot-access for libertarians and more liberty in the GOP?

I propose we reach out to our friends in the Libertarian Party, and offer to help them meet their ballot requirements by support Johnson if they are willing to join the Republican Party and vote us up within the Party--this is the only way we are going to be able to do what Maine, Iowa, Alaska, and Nevada did.

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Hey you forgot about Minnesota!

We are not leaving the party but will continue to mold the party in Minnesota to be a limited government party. The people in the Libertarian Party need to come into the GOP and take up leadership roles like
we have done in Minnesota. Just like the socialist party has taken a strong hold in the Democratic Party and are drastically changing the scope of the United States. The Libertarian need to do the same thing in joining the GOP Party to change how things are being done. The democrats are the ones that started the Republican party and a lot of them in the GOP think they are Republicans but don't realize they are actually Democrats. In Minnesota we haven't really elected any conservative Senators or House members for a long time they have all been previous Liberal Democrats.

With Regards to Gary Johnson I believe a majority will vote for him in the election but if we are going to make any difference we need to set up a network like we did for Dr. Paul in a short amount of time
to educate the American People that they do have a choice and not to pick someone from the corrupt parties.

While we don't have to agree on everything the only thing we need to agree on is that we need to be free! Does Gary Johnson have that same trait that everyone has the right to be free?

Can you give us hard core Paul supporters a few days of

getting our people back from Tampa, strategizing for what is next, and knowing we are not attending a funeral for Ron Paul, he still has a pulse and his body is still very warm before continually posting this stuff on here. I believe in freedom, but it does come with responsibility and consequences. I would think that most of you would think before you jump on the GJ bandwagon and tell all of us what "we need to be doing."

We are hearing this repeatedly, but none of us go off willy-nilly to support a candidate. Did you not see us in Tampa? This is not a fly by night deal, this is our life and our lifestyle.

People are needing time to think, research, pray, take a break and a breath. This is not an easy decision and all these ideas have been literally thrown at us:

1) Vote for Obama it will sink Romney and he can pay for what he did to us and this way we only have 4 more years
2) Vote for GJ it will show we are not fringe
3) Vote for Romney because we need to take Obama down at all cost because he is the worst president in history
4) WRITE-IN Ron Paul in all the states he takes write-in, it will show we are not fringe and we can sleep well at night
5) Talk to the electorate because they are what really matter

We have a lot to think about. It does not help getting GJ shoved down our throats. I trust that we will do the research and our due dillegence and will choose together the right avenue to take. What do you do if you are on fire, you stop, drop, and roll. If we just run off in one direction the fire may spread rapidly and we will go up in flames, burn ourselves to death. Noone wants this. We want to make the best moves possible for the long haul, the joining of others, and to not divide all the work we have put in for so many years. We want to continue to grow and wake up more of our country to the idea of freedom and what it really means. We do not want to self-implode. We will take the time we need, but we are not hastily going to support GJ without all the research. AND or that matter we are not going to jump ship in support of Romney or Obama without thinking this all thoroughly through.

I don't understand "hard

I don't understand "hard core" Ron Paul supporters who don't support Johnson. Any RP supporter should know enough to realize that America would be more free if GJ were president.

But I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat. Do whatever you want, I don't really care.

I don't know how you could possibly think writting in Ron Paul is going to "show them" anything other than you being a dumbass. Of course "they" probably won't even know, since it won't be counted.

As for voting for Romney, what the hell is wrong with you? Is Emperor Palpiltine not on the ballot in your state?

On talking to the electorate...people are stubborn and ignorant, trying to change their mind would be as productive as me trying to show you the error of your ways--just not worth it.

First of all, I myself have not had an opportunity to research

GJ, the only thing that I have seen is what is posted here. Ron Paul and the liberty movement is a way of life for most of us. I started when I was 8 with JBS and tax revolt meetings. We have to be able to lie our heads down at night. We do not just make these decisions lightly we have seen the establishment put folks in that do not necessarily better our cause, wether GJ is one of those I do not know yet, but shoving him down our throats will not work for a lot of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_0bGhjaoE

Probably won't win to many hearts and minds...

by calling detractors - "dumbasses"

Why call names when you have the truth on your side?

Because they are dumbasses?

Because they are dumbasses? Someone has to tell them, lest they continue to be unaware of their condition.

Reason I won't vote for President in 2012

If you had this plan before this year, I would agree with you.

But I think differently in 2012 as the situation, in my opinion has changed.

The DNC and RNC are financed by Federal Reserve members. The State parties are irrelevant because they don't need their money and the MSM is a far more effective way to manipulate the voters.

Liberty cannot win in November and even if it does it will be whitewashed or blacked out as part of the fringe element.

Since we will not win, then Any Presidential vote I make in November 2012 will be a mandate for whoever is President to wage undeclared wars, torture, assassinate US citizens, to imprison without due process, invade personal privacy and property, conduct terror attacks against the US population and any other evil deeds Presidents have done.

I cannot, I will not give that mandate. That is the only message that I want to make this year.

In the meantime I will work to give everyone a choice that I can support in future elections.

Free includes debt-free!

That's a smart idea

I like it. It's not a compromise, it's a coalition. All involved get to vote their conscience in every level.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

One pretty big reason not to vote for Gary Johnson

War in Uganda: http://www.dailypaul.com/254172/war-in-uganda-why-i-cant-vot...

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

A better standard than

A better standard than looking for a reason not to vote for someone is to ask:

Would I be more free or less free if this person were elected?

The answer should be clear.

A better standard

Would my vote contribute to the violation of others rights?

This is more consistent with the libertarian philosophy. the Non-Aggression Axiom.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

If that's the standard

Then I think Gary Johnson meets that standard because we all know he won't win. If he can't win then he can't violate anyone's rights.

Using that same logic

A neo-nazi isn't going to win the election either, so there's no problem voting for them either?

Bottom line, if you don't agree with someone don't vote for them.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Endorsing a voluntary force isn't a transgression

If someone kidnapped my neighbor's children, I would certainly consider helping him catch the offender.

Granted, international politics is a dangerous game best left to the locals, but Kony was never more than a two-bit egomaniac armed by the now-defunct Sudanese islamic regime to punish Uganda for assisting the non-arab Sudanese. If volunteers want to go after Kony, it's no skin off my nose (I'd prefer they didn't wave my flag in the process though).

The transgressions are...

The first transgression is stealing from others to fund it.

You can certainly help catch the kidnapper, but you can't steal from one of your other neighbors to pay for it.

The war in Uganda is payed for by theft.

The second transgression is assisting the government of Uganda, the government of Uganda is itself currently engaged in genocide.

If you want to fight bad guys that's fine, but if you assist another bad guy in perpetrating his crimes in the process, that's not fine.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

So vote Romney instead?

How about vote GJ (or don't vote for president) AND vote for liberty minded candidates in the GOP? What are the cons to that strategy in your opinion?

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Vote Romney?

He didn't say that.

When people say that its no different that when people say, "not voting Romney! That's a vote for OBAMA!" D:

Gets on my nerves...

Don't vote at all.

Discover that liberty doesn't come from a ballot box.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

That's a given,

unfortunately it is government intrusion in my daily life and projects that brought me to the political arena in the hope of electing statesmen that will keep government off my back. I didn't choose this but that is the situation right now. If nothing is done about it, the next generations will not have the luxury of saying "Discover that liberty doesn't come from a ballot box". Also, whether we acknowledge it or not, the reality is that the political arena is the best way for that message to be heard, as paradoxical as it seems.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Yep, And I Tried Not Voting - It Didn't Work

Voting in self-defense is the non-agression principle at work. Not voting is just rolling over.

Yes, there are certain races where I don't vote because there is no acceptable candidate, but I no longer make the mistake of not voting across the board. If there is even one libertarian candidate, I vote for them, and sometimes, even if I don't know them well, I vote for them anyway, to make sure LP ballot access is maintained.

It is critical that voters have the option to vote for freedom on every ballot, and that someone is prepared to step in when one of the dominant parties implodes.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

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Yep.

I'm abstaining on the Presidential ballot and only voting on local / state elections.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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why is this posted under ron paul 2012?
oh thats right gj is rp.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

OK, let's get this clear:

I don't particularly like Johnson, I don't think he has the moral integrity or knowledge to properly articulate the message of liberty to Americans. I also don't think he truly understands what it is to be a libertarian BUT, for the office of president in the next election, I will vote for him because the other two choices are not an option to me: Voting Obama is unacceptable and voting Romney is also unacceptable, especially after they cheated Ron Paul in the primaries.

Also, I will vote for liberty minded candidates in the republican party: one does not exclude the other and is the only rational path to take, IMO, for Ron Paul supporters.

Does this mean 4 more years of Obama? Most probably and, to be honest, I hope so: it's the GOP's turn to take it in the arse. Assuming that the GJ votes won't be flipped to the other two clowns (that is assuming a lot!) this double strategy is the soundest in my opinion: we help liberty minded candidates take over the GOP, like Granger and others advocate, and we don't support any of the symbolic establishment puppets (Obama, Romney).

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Moral integrity is not a

Moral integrity is not a prerequisit for being a libertarian. Just look at Peter Schiff ^^

Neither is knowledge...even a dumbass should be able to see that Keynsianism is a receipe for failure.

I understand that

but you must also understand that having moral integrity HELPS giving credibility and to spread the message, something I don't see GJ is fit for.

"even a dumbass should be able to see that Keynsianism is a receipe for failure"

Err, that's the problem, they DON'T see that keynesianism is a recipe for disaster, that's the whole fight and, again, I don't see GJ articulating a convincing case against it to Americans: that's where knowledge comes into play.

Nevertheless, given that I don't think GJ has a chance to actually win, I don't see a con in voting for him as a protest vote and to get libertarianism (the word only) more mainstream for Americans in the future (while voting for liberty minded candidates in the GOP).

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Why would they have to join the GOP?

An organized effort to get Ron Paul supporters to vote for Johnson, to show their disgust for what Romney did to Ron Paul, might help convince LP voters to support more down-ballot GOP candidates who are liberty-minded. But nobody has to change registration to do any of those things. Or was that not what you meant?

The only reason I would vote for GJ

is if I wanted Obama, and I don't want Obama, so I won't vote for GJ.

Not that I agree on voting for GJ

But Granger.. do you think we should vote for Romney just to get Obama out? I ask because this is the vibe I get from your comment..

Yes

We should not be running away from the GOP. We should be going to the committee meetings and taking the seats we earned from voter registration. The GOP just gained hundreds of new seats, thanks to Ron Paul, so while GJ is leading folks away, Palin's peeps are stepping up and taing OUR seats.

If we want the corruption to stop, we need to get inside, be seated and vote NO to the shennanigans.

We lost the nomination becasue we did not have the seats, the seats have power. We need the power to win, and wining is restoring America to constituttion.

Obama has Hillary committee memebers seated.. that's why he's a loar.. he's doing HER policy. Let's make Romney do ours!