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While I agree with most of

While I agree with most of what you have said, I would argue that the civil war was the worst mass murder on American soil in its history.

Liberty|Death

sharkhearted's picture

Hmmm. Good point.

That was over a number of months and years....but well said.

I was just referring to a single incident and a point in time.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

100% Agree

I'm a bit ashamed to say that for 10 years I was in complete denial, and used to poke fun at the "crazy nutbag 9/11 truthers"

It wasn't until about 6 months ago that I actually sat down, did some research, watched a ton of videos - and looked at the evidence objectively.

Now I know without a doubt, the official story is a complete lie. We deserve to know the truth, and a full investigation is absolutely necessary.

sharkhearted's picture

And for 11 years I was...

Ashamed to say...

But now I am WIDE AWAKE.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Not this again

We had this yesterday, big debate. I mean, I'm ok with opening another investigation, but I don't think it will do any good, and I don't think you'll find some big government/media conspiracy. Sorry. We can still be friends though :)

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

sharkhearted's picture

Its OK...

Mass Denial & Cognitive Dissonance and Groupthink Disorder affect us all.

It took me 11 years to wake up.

The REAL insanity, is in those who are in denial...and even worse, those who have been complicit in the destruction of evidence or information.

Its all right there. All you have to do is investigate it yourself.

You have no excuse NOT to, my friend.

Actually, its more profound than that: You have (we all do) the MORAL OBLIGATION to demand a full and complete independent non-governmnetal scientific investigation...one that will not cease until all questions are answered and all justice served.

And thousands of professional engineers, architects, physicists, and scholars will be there waiting for you when you open your eyes, pull your head out of the sand, and move away from the herd.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I respect your opinion,

I just disagree. I have looked at the evidence, the videos, the pictures. And I just come to a different conclusion. I don't find the conclusions you assert logical and consistent with a libertarian view of government (it's incompetent). I think how our government handled 9/11 is the real issue. They used it to start up the military industrial complex and begin an endless unconstitutional war. Are they responsible for 9/11? More than likely no. Did they use it as propaganda to begin war and invade other sovereign nations? Absolutely. Can we still get along if we disagree? YES! Respectful disagreement is foundational to liberty. My view does you no harm, neither does your view harm me. If you don't want to actually discuss it, that's fine. The main problem I often have with the 'truthers' is that you claim (often) that you are simply 100% correct and everyone else is just blind. There is no room for discussion or dialogue in that. I am 85% certain (or around there) that 9/11 was exactly what we saw; a terrorist attack. I'm no so arrogant to think that I alone have the 100% truth.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

I don't think he is saying he has 100% of the answers.

Only that he is convinced that the lies outnumber the truth.

sharkhearted's picture

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tTMMNTisBM&feature=youtu.be

And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cfjYUHF8UE&sns=em

After you do, then get back with me.

Also, please don't put words in my mouth or speak for me.

I have not made any (ANY) conclusions. I am raising questions, and have the natural right to do so, and, in this case, the MORAL obligation to do so.

I am not 100% certain of anything...except ONE thing:

That a full, INDEPENDENT, non-governmental scientific and criminal investigation needs to be conducted on the worst mass murder event in American history.

The official N.I.S.T. report is a crime scene in and of itself, and, by that fact alone, anyone who cares to whitewash over it and just let it die, is also committing a crime of omission, and passively aiding and abetting the enemy.

But please, don't put words in my mouth or speak for me. I have not come to any conclusions, save for the call for an investigation.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Sure

I'll watch them. I've literally seen about a dozen of those things before, but I will watch them later today. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but you said in your earlier posts, and others in this thread that you have concluded that the 911cr is not valid. You can't say that you are only saying make a new investigation. You are obviously saying/concluding that there is more to the story. I'm ok with that conclusion. But in so saying you are claiming that people like me have our 'head in the sand' and are 'asleep'. Those are your words and your conclusions. Those are conclusions that make it seem like you think you have the 100% truth here. Forgive me if I jumped to a conclusion you didn't mean, but all I have to go by is what you wrote. P.S. I too live in Tidwater. Maybe we should grab a beer sometime and you can tell me more about it, honestly I would listen.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

sharkhearted's picture

Its ok to have your head in the sand and be asleep

I used to be, too. We all did.

Once I dug out, and opened my eyes...and woke up...there was no going back.

Thanks for watching those documentaries. Once you do, shoot me an email at sharkhearted at gmail and we will figure out a place to meet and discuss.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Sure it was 3000? Keep repeating it enough times...

I believe there is a psychological block that prevents many people from looking into this further - it's a reluctance based on empathy and respect, for the dead.

It needs to be remembered that the first reports of deaths were in the 20,000 range. That soon became 10,000. Then, officially it was 6,729 (New York Times), then Mayor Giuliani went on record 12 days after the event with "estimated 6,333"

The official total of deaths is still, to this day, not agreed to. It's "rounded" to 3000 because that is closest number to the memorial sites - which differ on the number of deaths. How hard was it to find out how many employees in the top levels of the towers made it to work that day and weren't evacuated?

In light of this, please consider:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoZEuj1VPv0&feature=related

Let us not turn to anger, and in our wrath

commit the very acts that enrage us. A wrong does not right a wrong.

sharkhearted's picture

Anger is a healthy emotion when it is focused on evil

And when you are talking about the most heinous and horrific crime ever to occur on American soil, you can bet I am angry, and will keep that controlled anger right there in my heart, until ALL justice is served.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

You are defintely entitled to that. Anger in and of itself can

be extremely healthy. However, many are still controlled by anger instead of controlling it; and that can lead to very unhealthy outcomes. There comes a time when one has to trade anger for resolve.

“Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies.”
― Nelson Mandela

sharkhearted's picture

Good point!

I probably mean the word "resolve"...as I have internalized the anger and am controlling it...it is not controlling me.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Yup - Absolutely right Shark.

Well written.

Check out the new book The Big Bamboozle" about 9/11.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

sharkhearted's picture

I will check it out for sure!

Thanks for the tip.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Healing

Finding out the truth about 911 and dealing with it is the single most important thing we can do to save our country. It is the very root of government corruption and until it is uncovered and brought into the light of day, we cannot heal and we cannot move forward.

sharkhearted's picture

You are 1000% right

Well said.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

scawarren's picture

Thank you and I agree.

Thank you and I agree.

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

sharkhearted's picture

Ignore the trolls on here.

Trolls who make light of the deaths of 3000 innocent people and first responders.

Seriously, they are out there...and incapable of understanding the truth if it was staring them in the face.

They even don't have the mental fortitude to face the facts and watch this astounding new documentary put out by about 1000 architects and engineers.

Don't waste your time with them.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Wow.

You honestly think anyone who disagrees with you is "making light of the deaths of 3000 innocent people"? You clearly aren't looking for an actual debate.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Im your huckleberry

I would love to debate this issue with you. Without pointing fingers to the possible culprits responsible, basic laws of physics render the official explanation that fires caused the collapse impossible. I personally have no clue who was behind the attacks, and that is the point. The official 911 commission report does not even mention the collapse of one out of the three hirises that fell that day! Please help me understand why?

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke

sharkhearted's picture

You don't "disagree" with me.

You apparently are incapable of agreeing or disagreeing. (Option c)

If you were (and honest disagreement is acceptable), you would not take such a solemn post and such a sad, and sacred occasion, to spread poison on my forum.

Go make your own forum about how you are too chicken to watch the documentary and that all of these architects, engineers, physicists, demolitions experts, scholars, and forensic experts are all nut-jobs and YOU are the sane one.

But get your crap (and yourself) off of my forum.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Truth is Treason in the Empire of

LIES, sound familiar !

9-11 A&E
9-11 Pilots

No...

the REAL way to pay tribute to the victims and their families is to actually pay tribute to them, without using it as an excuse to blurt out your inane conspiracy theories.

I don't play, I commission the league.

sharkhearted's picture

Watch this...

The whole thing. (see below)

And after you have, if you can come back to me with this same pathetic comment, then you are either (a) a troll with nothing better to do with your time, or (b) a paid psy-ops troll, or (c), you are mentally ill and incapable of comprehending the truth.

Maybe none of those are you. But the real gold standard diagnosis for determining that, is you watching this video from beginning to end.

WATCH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tTMMNTisBM&feature=youtu.be

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Gee...

And after you have, if you can come back to me with this same pathetic comment, then you are either (a) a troll or (b) a paid psy-ops troll, or (c), you are mentally ill and incapable of comprehending the truth.

...what a ringing endorsement for your side. Really makes me want to watch that video - NOT!

I don't play, I commission the league.