his father, our hero and the greatest American Statesman this country has seen in 200 years, flatly refuses to endorse romney yet, 'ol chipper here hits the "campaign trail" for the neocon
dead in the water, i say, they'll leave him high and dry in the next cycle and all his support will evaporate
Henry Clay, my arse!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
Rand Paul is doing a fantastic job. He is our celebrated Trojan horse. He went all in to get inside the fort; established great credibility and then come out of the horse and start the fire in the neighborhood. Watch this recent attack on Romney's foreign policy.
I love the last line in the article, "The Tea Party favorite, however, wrote that he still stands behind Romney for the top of the 2012 ticket. Romney is the "clear choice to lead our country come January," Paul wrote."
Of course. He doesn't want to be ousted from Troy (GOP) but bring it to its heels from within.
I predict that Rand Paul is going to be more effective "pratically" than his dad was. Just look what he is doing with RandPac to throw Harry Reid out of his chair! Unfuckingbelievable!
The fuse was ignited by the father. The son will finish the job! Amen to that.
All you Rand Paul doubters, pay attention. Give to RandPac if you want Harry Reid, the unconfirmed pederast (http://wizbangblog.com/2012/08/04/is-harry-reid-a-serial-ped...) put to the pasture. THAT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHO WINS THE WHITE HOUSE!! You know it!!!
"All you Rand Paul doubters, pay attention. Give to RandPac…"
My deeply felt and honest reply to your above quoted statement is as follow: Never, not one penny, not one time. If I ever felt anything positive about Rand Paul, he killed that by endorsing and supporting that no good piece of garbage named willard romney. There was, in my opinion, no reason for him to endorse romney as early as he did. He could have waited till the convention. I hope that is perfectly clear.
Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!
Not to defend democrats, but the booing at the DNC was about supporting Israel, not GOD. Rand knows that.
Some say its part of Rand's master plan to build a constituency within the GOP so he can reform it--or at least make inroads in the name of liberty.
Others say he's selling out, or at least very naive to think he can win the hearts and minds of the GOP to bring them to his way of thinking.
If you are in the first group, then you believe in playing the political game as a necessary evil. That somehow, someway, working inside the belly of the beast will convert it. Politics is like the dragon Smaug in the Tolkien's Hobbit. It charms you, seduces you, then devours you.
I'm in the second group, because that's what I liked about Dr. Paul--If you are honest and uncompromising, you don't need to play politics and have some shady backroom deal you did years ago come back and bite you, or demand you return a favor pro quo on a issue you are against because you owe someone. Rand is going to find his endorsement of Romney become a political millstone around his neck.
Now some will say I'm radical, or stubborn, or being naive. But I thought that was the point of following the good doctor. Now we have apologists for Rand's behavior, which even if its for good reasons, are still the inverse to what attracted us to Ron Paul in the first place.
Conscience does not exist if not exercised
"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
why are we here, after all?
for the very reasons you state. I know what you're saying.
Research the truth, vote your OWN conscience, and you will have less to worry about :-)
Ron Paul set the standard. We must never lower it.
"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul
Good for Rand. With Romney practically destroying his campain, Rand is positioning himself very well by playing ball.
Can't blame Rand if Romney goes down.
I heard Michael Savage last night talking about how "Sweater Vest" and Gingrich were to blame for taking Romney down, especially Gingrich, because of all the opposition research they did on Romney during the primaries. All that research was like a gift to the Democrats.
Well to be fair (yuck) what did Savage expect Santy and the Gingrich to do? They were running against Romney to be the GOP nominee.
And yes you're right they can't blame Rand. If Romney loses, because Rand is a Paul, the GOP can't blame Ron Paul supporters even though they know a majority of us will not vote for Mittens. If that's the case they might as well blame Huckleberry and the evangelicals too, and that won't happen.
They might start blaming everybody and everyone. They have been itching to find their scapegoat for their own failures.
I am hoping for the whole party to go down in flames.
I sure hope there is an ulterior motive behind Rand's pandering to the GOP elites. Because his father and all his supporters have given a HUGE amount of blood sweat and tears just getting to where we are now.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants
if not for his father, rand would still be pushing foster grants in lexington!
and this is how he rewards him?
it must be crushing to Dr. Paul to see his son do this...
Standing in opposition to everything I shook down supporters for donations to fight against...It's my secret plan.
It seems to me that he just can't get enough of sticking his entire head, up hannity's behind. But this is no surprise to me and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here at the daily paul. I suppose he believes in that old saying about "in for a penny, in for a pound."
Who else is fighting for our Liberty in a position of power as high as the Senate?
Who is for auditing the Pentagon, legalizing industrial Hemp, ending foreign aid to 3 countries among many other issues that the "Liberty Movement" is supposed to be all about?
Because of a meaningless endorsement of someone he knows can't win in November Rand's been called a traitor among many other ridiculous names. GET OVER IT! You are cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's ridiculous.
Next election, you will still only have a choice between the two parties. There will not be a third party run that has a chance, Ron Paul knows this and has even said it. But then again, I guess you all know better than Dr. Paul too.
So when you can pick between Hillary or Jeb, Marco, Chris, or Rand, who will you choose. Or will you sit in your ivory tower lobbing verbal grenades at Rand that he isn't 100% as idealogically pure as his father. The naivety is becoming laughable.
I think that many here need to realize that there is an effort to co-opt you to the left. Wake up people, you're smarter than that. The battle for 2016 has already begun, don't be fooled.
thats not the way his father, our Great Statesman, played it!
There is the letter of 'the law,' and there is also the spirit of the law. No question that Rand fulfills the letter of the law. Rand is standing up to the tyranny in the Senate. I applaud him for that. The Bills that he's introduced in the Senate and the great majority of his votes cast both reflect that commitment to Liberty. In my opinion, these actions are the hardest part of 'the law' to fulfill. They take the most guts for sure.
The rest should be much easier, but it seems not to be in this case, and I do not know why. Verbally endorsing your own father for president not Romney, and casting the lone dissenting Kentucky vote for Ron Paul would have been the best ways he could have of respected his father's Congressional career. These two little things would have sent a very powerful message to us as well. Imagine the effect those two actions would have had with just the members on the Daily Paul alone? He would have gained the complete support of everyone here. Such simple actions; an endorsement and casting one KY delegate vote for Ron Paul. Romney still would have won. Everything else would remain unchanged, except Rand would have gained our full future backing in the process. Rand did not fulfill the golden opportunity to honor the spirit of 'the law' by supporting Ron Paul. I may forgive him someday for that, but not anytime soon.
Romney's going to lose anyway (and Ron Paul isn't running!), so why not let Rand do what he does? Seems more important.
more negative votes than any other front page story in the history of the Daily Paul.
Rand can do what he wants, but that endorsement caused a lot of chaos and division within the Liberty Movement, which was totally unnecessary, IMO. I would put the same argument back to you. Romney is going to lose anyway, so why should Rand endorse a loser and split the 100% support he would have had, had he done the right thing and endorsed and voted for this father?
I see your point that it would have been MUCH better if Rand had endorsed his father instead of Romney. It would have solidified the backing of many of us on the DP and I think it would have sent a message not only to the establishment but also to Blue Democrats, Libertarians, Ron Paul Republicans and Independents that he could be trusted and he was someone we could believe in. Not a run of the mill party insider type that many feel he is now.
You make a great point that he has done the right thing when it's been hardest and didn't do the right thing on what would have been easy, endorsing the good Doctor, his father. But I think this is where the answer lies.
I think (and no I don't know this for a fact) Rand is playing the politicial game and counts on us to read between the lines. I think that at the end of the day he may have miscalculated the backlash he would have received. Don't forget that he did endorse his father and actively campaigned with him. But, I think it became unfortunately clear that Romney had it sewn up before the convention and the Republican apparatus would not have allowed Dr. Paul the nomination no matter what (look at what they did). I think Rand basically thought that by endorsing Romney when he knew the chance for a Ron Paul nomination were over and that Romney can't win anyway that he could make inroads into the party and further the message of Liberty by being a bit more 'mainstream'. By continuing to almost always vote Liberty values in the Senate, he could prove to use that he stands with us and holds our same values. I am not giving him a free pass and think we should closely watch his votes. The proof of his values will be there.
I think Rand knows that we are the most intelligent constituency out there and that we could figure out what he's trying to do. Doesn't it make sense that he would take a stealth approach the exact same way the campaign encouraged the stealth delegate approach?
endorse whoever the Republican candidate was before he ran for the Senate. He was very candid about this - he didn't just decide to do it. I am very glad he made it. He has introduced all the bills mentioned above plus S202 Audit the Fed, a bill to allow raw milk to be sold interstate, a bill to end the TSA (privatize airport security), and a couple of downsizeDC's bills like the Read the Bills Act and I think Write the Bills Act, which he promised them he would do if he got in the Senate. He also, remember, got a terrible amendment to the NDAA defeated, which would put you in GITMO even if found innocent! He did this by working with others in the Senate that none of us would want to work with. Regardless of his "endorsement" I'm so glad he's in the senate and I hope he runs for prez. His main concern, like his dad, is our economic situation, from what I've heard him say.
People here don't seem to understand the definition of principle, nor do they understand what the core libertarian principles are and what they are not.
Walter Block said it best. "Rand Paul has not violated principle by endorsing Romney."
Get over it folks, an endorsement is meaningless....
I won't be contributing or voting for Romney though,or Obama for that matter. I'm still looking into the PA laws regarding write ins. Johnson will get my vote if Pa won't count my write in for Ron Paul.
was thrown off the ballot by the Pa GOP. You can however, cast a write in vote for Paul and it will be counted.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
I like him as a person, but he's turning into an establishment hack.
Upped the thread to give it more coverage.
Rand cast his lot with the Neo-Cons. That's his choice, just as it is mine not to back him and to vote for Gary Johnson.
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