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Who The Hell Else Are You Going to Vote for?

End the Wars
Balance the Budget,
Abide the constitution
End foreign aid
bring troops home
etc.

Most the other issues are not within the presidents scope of authority they are in congresses scope so they are irrelevant.

However even on most of those issues what other candidate aligns closer then Gary Johnson?

It's amazing to me all the petty bickering and personality worship I see among the liberty crowd. Way to fractionalize the movement people. And don't think there are not some plants in the movement constantly stirring the pot to keep the liberty movement divided.

Focus and tell me who the hell else is on the ballot in all 50 states that represent us better then Gary Johnsons? (unless the 3 challenges manage to succeed) Stop the all or nothing BS and help yourselves for once! Ask yourself what will move liberty forward now a protest vote or a viable candidate on all 50 ballots?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLN5NBZ5KU

Honestly people time grow up and focus, ignore the naysayers and move forward and get the message to the public. Voting for either of the big two is unconscionable Gary Johnson is the only other guy on the ballot worth voting for put the set backs blaming personality issues and disappointments behind you and move forward for once...

One chance just just one chance...
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Sanctity of Life Essential to Protect Liberty

From Ron Paul's official campaign website: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/abortion/

As a physician, Ron Paul consistently put his beliefs into practice and saved lives by helping women seek options other than abortion, including adoption. And as President, Ron Paul will continue to fight for the same pro-life solutions he has upheld in Congress, including:

* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”

* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”

Here is a copy of the Sanctity of Life Act he introduced in the house: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hr2597

It seems other issues he wanted to send back to the states, but on the issue of life, he himself says it is essential to protect liberty.

Sanctity of Life Act2011

Gracias bear.

Gracias bear.

De Nada

It is my pleasure!

I think you are right however

I think you are right however most importantly though Presidents have no control over the issue. It is irrelevant to the presidential race.

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Relevance is attached to Protecting Liberty

Ron Paul says “"Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
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A president has Executive Order as well as Veto Power?

irrelevant my ass

it's easy if you just want to push a button, but that's not why we supported paul. paul could grow the movement with his spine. gj can't, so his run is an end all be all, once it's over, it is over. so back to you, why the fuk do you care if gj gets 800k votes vs 1.6 mill, since the number is just that, a number. it has no other implications and no potential to grow, because 'oh, we disagree but that's not my authority anyway', ya, we care about that from someone who has zero chance of winning yet insists on this irrelevant practicality.

when you can't win you do something else unconventional, so when you do lose you leave something behind. paul knew that, gj's brain's not even big enough to begin to try. the problem is in the first place he can't win, but his sole selling point depends on the case of 'if i win', this is stupid beyond describable words. 'that part you don't have to worry cus it's not my job'. so inspirational. i am sure everyone who has things to do in life/those with good career prospects disagree. they would rather have the 'oh, difficult decisions will be congress' responsibility anyway, not mine'. ya.

Facts are facts the the

Facts are facts the majority of issues bandied about in the presidential race the president has no control over period. It's just more dog and pony show. Excuse me if I thought liberty minded people might actually have some common sense and see through that BS... Sigh!

But hey lets all go cry in our beer and wallow in our defeatist attitude and list the countless reasons why it will never work because our hero is done which gives us excuse to never even try. Heaven forbid we have our own vision and seek ideas and ways to win. Poor us Ron Paul is out and we have no vision... Sigh!

F*** that you defeatist can step aside while the real men and women move forward!

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you just had to go there

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Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

I don't plan on particpating

in the faked up farce that they call "elections". No more lesser evils, no more evil. Now when they do evil they won't be able to say I voted for it.

If you don't vote then you

If you don't vote then you better not bitch. Either the Constitution party or the Libertarian party is where our votes need to go.

BULLSH**!

Telling me I HAVE to go along with this rigged crock of an election, this pretense of "voting" for my preselected master or I "can't complain" is a load of crap! It is YOU who can't complain when you are stuck with the evil you vote in. I won't be to blame, just stuck with YOUR goons YOU vote for.

Hey Sierra good to hear from

Hey Sierra good to hear from you!

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No, that's accepting the premise that

people must validate an Authoritarian system. I would have made an exception to vote for Ron Paul because he had proven his trustworthiness over decades of rock solid principled challenges to war and tyranny. You cannot shame people into voting when there are no reliable choices. And anyone who eschews voting on principle can d*mn well bitch about the coercive system that demands playing the majority power game.

I'll still consider Johnson, am watching his development. But so far I am not convinced he won't take the country into more invasions of other countries by standing against the entire military industrial complex. I believed Ron Paul could do this. It is not for you to decide for others how they express their principles.

Are you saying Johnson is

Are you saying Johnson is evil? I agree the vote is probably rigged at least enough to swing the election which ever way they want however if enough people voted for Johnson and they steal it anyways it could potentially wake up a lot more people.

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Just another lesser evil

"leader" and I don't need to be "led".

That is all well and good and

That is all well and good and noble and all that however reality is you and all of us are effected by these people and their belief that they have the right to vote on every aspect of our lives.

You do lots of things or refrain from doing things every day to comply with their rule over you so the gestapo does not throw you in the gulag for non-compliance.

A 3rd party actually elected would be a huge blow to TPTB even if it was was the green party LOL... But hey we can just continue the status quo until collapse I guess... Sigh

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LOL! You post

as if you think votes are actually counted!! LOL!!!

I'm voting for Ron Paul. In

I'm voting for Ron Paul. In fact, my entire family will not compromise our principles by voting for anyone else but Paul. So at minimum he will get at least 4 votes in the "Live Free or Die" state of NH. Our votes will be counted as much as anyone's.

Blessings )o(

I could understand if there

I could understand if there was no other viable candidate on the ballot but Ron Paul is not running anymore he is out. Johnson is on all the ballots and could actually win if enough will vote for him.

So this type of logic to write in Ron as a protest makes no sense to me. Why not vote for the principles rather then lies and deceit? I Understand he is not Ron Paul but Ron Paul has said this is not about him its about liberty and we have a viable liberty candidate yet people insist on making it about Ron Paul why?

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Ron Paul never officially

Ron Paul never officially conceded and in NH write in votes count. Months ago we were all screaming that we wouldn't vote for lesser candidates because voting our conscience is what we all stood for. I still plan to vote my conscience, and my conscience tells me that Ron Paul is the right man for the job. I can not vote for Johnson. He believes the Govt is allowed to steal our money and he has no problem with war. Not the right man for the job IMO. I will vote for the only principled statesman we have left in our country. You, of course, will vote as you choose.

Blessings )o(

"I can not vote for Johnson.

"I can not vote for Johnson. He believes the Govt is allowed to steal our money and he has no problem with war."

So why does he want to end the war in Afghanistan? Balance the budget End the IRS etc? Did you think Ron Paul would end taxation? Did you read Ron Paul's plan? Where in it does he end taxation? Nowhere because the President has no control over that.

Honestly have any of you people ever actually looked into what Gary Johnson's actual positions are instead of regurgitating unsubstantiated conspiracy theories?

Ron Paul might be the right guy for the job but several states do not count write in ballots by law and you have to be pretty naive to think Ron is still in the race.

Did you get into this for Ron Paul or for liberty? Just curious?

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Yeah actually. He supports a

Yeah actually. He supports a fair tax which is theft by Govt. Ron Paul supports no tax. Johnson supports humanitarian wars. In fact, he supports a voluntary army that's privately funded [stated by him in his last Q&A] which means he supports mercenaries and vigilante justice. Nope, not the kind of guy I want to see in the WH.

Obviously, you've made up your mind on Johnson. So have I. We don't agree and the best thing to do is agree to disagree. My state DOES allow write in votes, so I will vote for Ron Paul. Have a great night.

Blessings )o(

Vigilante justice? Your

Vigilante justice? Your joking right? Why don't you quote his exact words here? Me thinks you are making some huge leaps but I could be wrong? Seems to me a privately funded army is a good way to get rid of "taxation" for funding military? We need defense forces of some kind. Ron Paul is not against war in self defense which would require an army and navy would you prefer it be privately funded or by taxation/theft?

I don't agree with him on the fair tax either but again that is not within his control. I agree with Ron on no tax however either one is not within presidential scope congress would have to pass such a thing so it is irrelevant to the presidential race.

Taxation/theft is also condoned in the Constitution so do you hate the constitution too? And actually I have not heard Gary say he is for the "fair tax" per say but for a federal flat consumption/excise tax (similar) which is actually constitutional as opposed to what we have today. I do not agree with it or the constitution on taxation however I am not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

It doesn't matter if write ins are counted in your state they are not counted in enough states to make a write in vote a viable option. And Ron is out of the race so you make no sense and such a vote seems pretty selfish when there is a viable candidate.

I have made up my mind on Johnson based on facts namely his being on all ballots and being closely aligned with us in liberty not wild accusations. Its not a popularity contest or a hero worship thing as it seems to be for some Ron Paul supporters it is about what will move us forward. Voting Ron Paul has no chance of moving us forward now. Voting Gary Johnson does.

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You have a lot of balls

You have a lot of balls telling me how I choose to vote is not a viable option. Piss off. I don't give a crap how you feel about my choice in this election, and I don't give a crap about what you choose to do with your vote. Is that clear enough for you?

Blessings )o(

So I see you can't back up

Yeah it pretty obvious you don't give a crap about anyone but yourself. Kind of Ironic of you to insult me and then your signature reads "blessings" don't you think. ;-)

Anyway I see you can't back up any of your statements with evidence so you chose to get mad and act like a 3 year old LOL!... Yeah hey it's all about you and your feelings screw the liberty movement and what would be best for the country... Sigh!

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Are you

talking about the Greater Good? Get thee behind me, commie!

RP said that if the fair tax

RP said that if the fair tax came to the floor he'd probably vote for it, hate to burst your bubble.

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You are correct, but just for clarity that did not

mean he thought it was a great plan. He accepted that it was less evil than the income tax, not that it was good.

Agreed. I didn't say he

Agreed. I didn't say he thought it was good, just stating that he would have voted in favor.