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I dunno, is this how it's supposed to be? Are we as a movement going to be co opted and diluted? It sure seems so.

What do you guys think?

Politico: The two men couldn’t be more different on paper: One is a five-term septuagenarian, career politician and the embodiment of the Republican establishment; the other a 49-year-old tea party firebrand who never before held elected office and the de facto leader of the libertarian movement.

But behind the scenes, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and freshman Sen. Rand Paul are charting anything but divergent paths. They are methodically forming a tight-knit alliance to bridge the divide between the sparring factions of their party, an effort that could boost their own political careers in the process.

Sensing a tea party uprising back home after Paul defeated McConnell’s hand-picked candidate in the 2010 Senate primary, the calculating Republican leader focused on bringing Paul and his supporters under his wing. Two years later, it’s paying off: The two men barnstorm the state together in both official and political events; throw high-dollar fundraisers for one another; and are trying to merge the GOP’s tea party wing with the party’s establishment, social conservative and business wings — heading off an intraparty war that has uprooted Republican politics in many parts of the country.

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ecorob's picture

I'll never contribute to the "machine" again...

you can bet your last worthless dolar on that! (not worthy of two l's)

Ron Paul
2012
Accept no substitute.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Gary Franchi Video - Rand compromised?

You all must have seen this?

http://janamurray.tumblr.com/post/31496684057/breaking-story...

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Rand Who? is a Neocon. He is a NEO-CON. A NEOCON.

Rand Who? is not one of us.

He is a F#cking Neoconservative.

You people are ridiculous.

After reading most of the comments here, I'm convinced you people who are bashing Rand don't actually want to see the Liberty movement advance into the mainstream. You want it to stay "underground" where you can all band together and whine about how the Establishment is taking away our liberties and fantasize about your ideal anarcho-capitalist society.

Here we are, with Rand Paul in the Senate, voting exactly as his father has against the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, unbalanced budgets, tax increases, foreign aid, etc. But because he's actually being semi-respected by the GOP establishment, he's somehow a sellout?

That being said, I'm not saying we should grant Rand immunity from criticism. If he votes for increasing government, he should be scrutinized.

But if elevating the liberty platform into the mainstream is selling out, COUNT ME IN.

Aum shanti. Ron Paul.

Totally off base

First off, ask yourself what it takes to become "mainstream". And don't delude yourself into thinking that because of Rand's actions our ideas are going to become accepted by the mainline GOP and will be welcomed with open arms. Don't forget that even AFTER his endorsement of Mittens the RNC still railroaded most of the Paul delegates and barred Ron Paul from getting the 5 states to be nominated ILLEGALLY by revoking the clearance of Mass, Half of LA, etc.

And what about foreign policy? That's the part of Ron's message that the Benton's, the Tate's, and maybe even Rand himself want to water down in order to become a part of the mainstream, And if that's the case, COUNT ME OUT.

Ask yourself why Ron Paul doesn't support Romney

Rand endorses Romney. Rand is trying to get Romney elected. He is trying to get Mitch McConnell reelected for Pete's sake. If you recall, Romney and McConnell both support the Patriot act, bailouts, and a host of other things Rand Paul claims to be against.

If Rand is working to keep the establishment forces entrenched, then he can vote of whatever liberty minded bills he wants to in the senate, because they will never pass. If we want change, then we should ONLY be supporting candidates who support liberty.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

ecorob's picture

the sad truth is that...

Rand Paul could get mcconnell defeated...if he wanted to!

that is, of course, assuming that they wouldn't kill him to stop it...

he could run mitch out of kentucky!

thats the sad truth...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

When BP destroyed the Gulf of Mexico

... their brand name was destroyed forever.

When the GOP cheated the liberty wing for the second time ... Brand "GOP" was destroyed forever.

Everyone LEAVE the GOP 9:00 am Monday morning

is that politicain

is that politicain trustworthy? it would be an extreme example.

I love the liberty movement...

...but how many times do you have to be sold down the river by politicians who you entrust your very freedoms to until you all realize that fighting within the system isn't the answer? I wake up every day thanking the good Doctor for all the minds he's awakened to Truth. In the end, though, like it or not, even his movement was co-opted from the highest levels, and from within.

Politicians and leaders will NOT save us. NOW is the time to stat doing for ourselves what the Rand Paul's of the world will never do: Stand up for freedom and liberty, WITHOUT COMPROMISE.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
www.cerebralindustrialcomplex.com

Exactly

"Firebrand" sell out Rand is going to bring all of his dads supporters under Mitch McConnells Neocon "wing" and unify us all into happy little manageable Neocons? Yeah, gimme some of THAT.

This is what happens to all collectives. Spontaneous grassroots organizations are herded and managed by people who say the right words but do the opposite. That is their time tested strategy. Always judge the fruit. Language is corrupted. Promises of grand plans and strategies if ONLY we will go along with this or that lying pol for now, so very clever, blah, blah. Been there, done that with the GOPs fake "Contract with America" back in the '90s. We are being co=opted, sadly with the assist of Ron Pauls son and other people we trusted. And maybe these people really do believe they are herding us for our own good and that liberty won't work. But my opinion and dreams are just as valid as theirs and I DON'T believe we have to join the evil to beat it. I don't think that will work at all. We tried to "work within the system" they told us we had a "voice" and to participate. When we did, they told us to knock it off, get in line and broke bones. What more do we need to know??

we should reserve judgement and keep paying close attention

I think we can afford to reserve judgment on Rand for now. he is in the Senate (right now probably the best Senator we have), and not up for any kind of election until 2016. He should not have our automatic support in 2016 just because of his last name; but his last name coupled with his voting record so far makes him someone to pay attention to.

keep an eye on what he does... moments like this should make us wary of him, but by the time 2016 comes around we need to evaluate him based on what his actual voting record looks like. if he pals around with Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney, but at the end of the day has a liberty voting record at like 80 or 90 percent and he's actually gotten things done, then I don't think we should disqualify him for the personalities he associated with himself along the way. "by their fruits you shall know them"... even Jesus palled around with tax collectors.

that doesn't mean we have to be happy about the things he's doing in electoral politics. if a viable alternative to McConnell actually rises up in Kentucky in a 2014 primary, I'm not going to be very happy with Rand if he stands with McConnell then (though I won't be surprised if he does). I actually doubt we'll see someone viable come up against McConnell in the first place, though I'd like to see them knock him out.

In the end, we won't really need to make a judgment about Rand until 2016. In 2016, if he's running for president, his last name shouldn't give him our automatic loyalty; but his voting record should allow him a fair hearing. a good enough voting record can counterbalance, IMO, some of the empty rhetoric and bad company he's collecting over the years. it's when his voting record starts to seriously veer off course that we need to start disqualifying him in 2016 (either for president, or for Senator from Kentucky).

His fruit

is pretty stinky already by my standards but then I can smell a Neocon from a mile away.

Let's see Mitch get Audit the

Let's see Mitch get Audit the Fed up for a vote in the Senate... then we'll see where the chips fall.

Ask yourself this...

First off, Y'all need to take a chill pill so to speak. Look away from the screen, pop your head out the window and look around...plenty of us out there, and ask yourself this, who is infiltrating who? I see an awful lot of us out there. What do you see?

God Help Us

Joining forces with Mitch, all I can say is puke. Rand has really been turning me off. As I have said before, if you saw a cobra lying in your bed would you get into bed wih it?

Anyone ever seen this

Anyone ever seen this picture? http://i.imgur.com/9ankj.jpg

I used to look up to Glenn Beck, but as I started listening to him more and more, in buying his books, subscribing to his/emails, etc, I really started to see that, for him, it was all about getting people like me to look up to him. He's good at captivating vulnerable people. I would question why it's all about Glenn Beck and not about freedom. I would also question why it was that, after listening to him so often, I still felt like I learned nothing. I somehow stumbled upon Dr. Paul and his message of liberty and instantly gained a wealth of knowledge. The difference between Beck and Paul was like night and day. For Paul, it wasn't about himself, it was about the message of liberty. Things really solidified for me when I noticed that the covers of his books did not have his face on them or his name in letters bigger than the title.

With Rand, it just seems like, right now, it's all about himself. He's making political deals left and right that most of us couldn't stomach making, with no other goal than to have more power, and to top it all off, just look at the cover of his book - Big Tough Randy's gon' show them GUBMINT BULLIES whos the BOSS. The general argument in support of Rand seems to be that, oh, it's okay that he's being a little flexible with his principles - we need him to do that so he can infiltrate and get more power so that at some point he'll have enough power to really help us helpless people so helpless that we can't afford to be flexible with our principles. It's not right. Our entire movement rests on adherence to our principles. Compromising with our principles EQUALS compromising the entire movement.

Rand and the rest of Paul's campaign, aside from Wead and Dr. Paul himself, have done nothing but severely slow the progress of our movement. They have alienated nearly every grassroots supporter in some way. From wasting campaign contributions, to scolding grassroots activists for being disrespectful when they had been nothing but respectful, to endorsing opposing candidates right when we were at the peak of our momentum, and to just entirely refusing to keep any significant contact with the grassroots in strategizing. We were always left guessing what the campaign was planning rather than working with the campaign to plan. And what did we get out of all this? Nothing but a lost, divided group of people who have no idea how to feel about the campaign, the upcoming election, the movement, or their lives in general.

For a 76 year old man, Dr. Paul did a pretty great job. But his age is the only viable excuse he has for such a poorly ran campaign that had such fantastic potential. Our movement is new and youthful. We need younger, more enthusiastic, and internet savvy grassroots activists to start organizing into national leadership positions for our movement. We need to stop and reevaluate where our movement is going and where we should steer it. And those making the final decisions must be strictly principled and confident leaders that aren't afraid to make their beliefs visible to all, no matter the implications. Just imagine if Ron Paul had the audacity to say something significant about the truth about 9/11 on a national debate stage? It's hard looking back imagining where we could have been right now, but we need to learn our lessons and instead of turning to people like Rand Paul, who have displayed nothing but an interest in himself and his own power, or people like Gary Johnson, who is certainly well intended but is severely lacking in education (remember it's all about ideas and education) in American history, Austrian economics, the military industrial complex, the Constitution, and liberty itself. LETS BE DONE MAKING COMPROMISES. WE NEED PEOPLE THAT AREN'T AFRAID

Liberty|Death

I picked up on that several

I picked up on that several months ago. Political books with people's faces on them are more about themselves than actual policy (Bastiat, Mises, etc).

Southern Agrarian

Don't buy into this BS

The author is clearly no friend of ours...

"McConnell lends establishment credibility to Paul, who’s seen by some Republicans as the leader of a fringe movement that gave his father Ron Paul the perch to call for a radically smaller government and isolationist policies abroad."

Fringe movement?
Isolationist policies abroad?

This guy's main motive is to divide us. Don't let him!

Let Rand Paul fight his GOP insider battle.

We'll continue to fight ours.

We can only be defeated if we follow "leaders".

The way infiltration and control works is controlling individuals whom larger groups follow.

Only if we loose sight of the fact we need be guided by the constitution and our principles not people. If we Loose sight of the fact *both* parties are the problem the we need judge people by not what the say but how they act can we be controlled.

We cannot avoid attempts at infiltration, we aught all know that's an inevitability. However IF we are vigilant and firm in our convictions we CAN prevent that from happening.

People who earn trust not assume trust.

_

Free includes debt-free!

For those who follow history.

I’m not going back to research this I’m only going to say what my memory of events suggests. A lot of Americans voted in the early 90s for Gingrich’s Contract with America and we had high hopes for reform. The House, as Gingrich likes to brag, did pass many of the reforms but 100% were D.O.A. in the Senate under Mitch McConnell’s iron fist. I don’t believe one reform actually became law. Now, you can let bygones be bygones but I’m not. I don’t trust the guy and that won’t change.

Your memory serves you well

And I agree with you.

Great book on this.........

Buck Wild: How Republicans Broke the Bank And Became the Party of Big Government
"Buck Wild does more than reveal what's wrong with the Republicans. It reveals what's wrong with us, the voters who put them in office. Politicians are foxes. But we insist on believing that some are guard dogs. We elect them to watch the hen house, and on the first Wednesday in November there's nothing left but feathers."

-P. J. O'ROURKE, author of Parliament of Whores and Peace Kills

http://www.amazon.com/Buck-Wild-Republicans-Became-Governmen...

The last time I asked this

The last time I asked this question, I got 6 negative responses. I will ask the question again but add another individual. What is the difference between Benedict Arnold, Judas, Rand Paul, and ------ fill in the blank.

Will a real tea party

Will a real tea party candidate please run against Mitch Mconnell on both the republican and the democratic ticket to make sure Jesse Benton doesn't see the light of day.

Why, Mitch Mconnell is the

Why, Mitch Mconnell is the Tea Party candidate, didn't you know?
(waves hand in Jedi fashion)

Southern Agrarian

IMO

In my opinion, it will all come down to how McConnell votes, NOT how he has voted in the past. Personally, I don't see McConnell as a hard line neocon, rather he is a tide follower who wants government to get smaller, but at the same time doesn't want to rock the boat. So what then? Let Rand and others rock the boat for him and let's see which way he goes.

Also, we will find in this time that we can build coalitions of people who want to see things done right but maybe don't yet agree completely with the Liberty Movement. So what? Do we alienate them from helping us achieve what we know needs to happen?