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“Jesse Benton was Fired from C4L, Ron Paul is Very Upset”

High Level contacts from within Ron Paul’s inner circle who have disclosed on a condition of anonymity, that “Jesse Benton was actually fired from C4L and stole all the lists (C4L, RP12, LPAC) before he left. Ron Paul is very upset.”

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http://libertychat.com/source-jesse-benton-was-fired-from-c4...

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Related: Tom Woods Clears the Air on Jesse Benton



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Debbie

The poster is a liar. The post has no credibility. They can't prove it because it is a lie. This group is already in legal trouble for the Peter Schiff video. They want rack up the blame on Jesse so as to sue Jesse for the failure of PaulFest....That event failed because they supported liberty frauds like Gary Johnson and Robby Wells. They competed with Ron Paul and try to hijack Ron's supporters. Jesse was right there are bad people mixed in with the misguided.

Whatever. Ron will....

speak to it if he wants to (if there is anything to it) and if he doesn't that is fine with me too. I trust Ron completely. Everyone should let him be awhile...

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey referring to ISIS

If this rumor is as valid as

If this rumor is as valid as Paul has big announcement on Leno, we all know what that means.. NADA!!

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Stop linking to that rotten 'Liberty' Chat website

They've already proven to be against us! Anything they post is not for the benefit of liberty.

The name of their website is like the name of a bill in Congress; a nice sounding title for something terrible.

Those 'sponsors' displayed on their website must be unauthorized.

Hey look...

...LL is actually Dan Rather!!

Oh wait, Dan at least had documents.

it is Ian Coifii

I posted what Ian came up with posting on his Liberty Chat site.

More info is coming soon - patience.

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Why

do people keeping voting this down? What am I missing?

skippy

So did Dan....

....reported on documents. What are you reporting on? Hearsay?

Michael Nystrom's picture

This is just a rumor

Looks like a ploy on behalf of the LibetyChat folks to drive traffic to their site. This will work in the short run, of course, but in the long run, if we never hear another thing about this, or if it turns out not to be true, Liberty Chat goes down several notches in everyone's eyes as 'the boy who cried wolf.' They are already getting that reputation, as many on this thread have noted.

Posts like this are a great challenge to myself and the moderating staff here at the DP. What should be done with it? The news is already all over the internet. Should it be disappeared from the Daily Paul? What do you think?

In the olden days, great pains were taken to sanitize the news that showed up here with regards to Ron Paul. Lots of stories got erased, and lots of people got banned. As we move into this site's second (or third?) act, things will be different. Incredible resources are required to police the site. We would rather have the community, as much as possible, police itself.

He's the man.
Michael Nystrom's picture

And if it does turn out to be true...

Then I will happily stand corrected and issue an apology.

I just got word from a trusted source that this information is indeed true, and that details should be forthcoming shortly. If this is the case, I look forward to the details being revealed.

He's the man.

That is why "banning and censoring" is a dangerous game.

Yesterday's "conspiracy theory" often becomes today's historical fact. Don't we come here for information? Let the DP market decide.

And yes, it appears to be true. My in-box (and mailbox) lately will attest.

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Most of the Liberty Chat posts are garbage

So that would be rare. Especially since they have not added any additional twisted information to their announcement, as they usually do.

LibertyChat.com and RTR.org

LibertyChat.com and RTR.org are two of the worst offenders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Fbn-hNhwo

Debbie's picture

Okay, but I agree with you Michael, it still falls into the

rumor category until the actual documents are produced. It should not be posted until that time, then we don't have to worry about policing it. By then it's a bit late.

Debbie

Joη's picture

"Should not be posted, then no worry policing"

if only it worked like that.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

But it is already all over facebook, other sites, etc.

What would be the point of removing it from the Daily Paul? (I'm not sure if that is what you're saying).

Even if it were removed, someone who found it elsewhere on the internet, and not seeing it posted here, would happily repost it - thinking they're breaking the "news" to the DP community. It is a moderator's nightmare.

In the end, I don't think it is up to us - the DP staff - to censor information, as we have done in the past, in order to paint Ron Paul / RP2012 in the best light. We'll just let the community decide, and sharpen their wits, and learn who are trustworthy sources of information, and who are not.

Thank you.

He's the man.

I think removing it......

.....would say the DailyPaul won't post hearsay. Nor support it.

I think evidence should be presented at the time. Not "hey, we got something here, but have no proof!! Exciting, eh!!!!"

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Its just not practical

We don't have the resources to police everything, as I described elsewhere. What you're talking about basically means censorship, and once you start censoring, then where do you draw the line?

As someone above said, "Yesterday's conspiracy theory often becomes tomorrow's fact." Or something like that.

Ultimately, the responsibility comes back to the poster, and the poster will either reap the reputational benefits for having gotten the scoop, or suffer the ire of the community for being the boy who cried wolf.

He's the man.

Michael, in the end what doesn't matter?

It's history. As for the list....useless. People won't jump ship after being awake. We all know what Mitch Mconnell is all about.

I try to think what Ron Paul would say and he would want us to stay the course. Jesse Betton made his choice and that's great for him. Good luck to him and I hope he's able to live with his conscience.

Let us all turn the page and relegate this side story to the pages of the likes of the NationalEnquirer or Sun.

A new day of liberty is upon us, seize the moment, it is our hour of glory!

DEX

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Dex I agree that we should stay the course

That means continuing to work towards our goals.

But I don't think we should be so quick to abandon this story, as it is of primary significance to what just happened here.

I also ended up getting the shaft from Benton, but like Tom Woods, I kept my mouth shut "for the sake of the movement." It is an important lesson going forward for how we should deal with a movement that coalesces behind a single individual. Men are all fallible, and one such flaw, as beautiful as it is, is trusting people too much.

So yes we move forward, but we don't forget the past. We don't forget the injustices we suffered. And should the opportunity present itself, we should move to set the record straight - as in working to defeat McConnell in 2014 :)

He's the man.

Please

Don't say "Stay the Course"!!!! I got SO sick of hearing that coming out of George Bush!

skippy

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I understand. I think it would be the responsibility of the

poster then, to not post s/g until it can be backed up and I hope they would do that.

Debbie

"We'll just let the community decide, and sharpen their wits,

and learn who are trustworthy sources of information, and who are not."

Good luck with that. :)

If people were able to discern with greater efficiency what was good and what was junk, we wouldn't be in the political mess we wind up in year after year.

I say delete their crap. My personal opinion is they're connected with Steve Parent and are here with less than honorable intentions.

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patience my friend

Michael it looks like it's true.
But if it's not I can take the dirt.

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I just do my job

Why people down-vote me attack me based on what I provide them?
Free info provided from a volunteer activist...

People can gather info themselves I guess....and I can retire to enjoy the late summer park lake views...

Ian Coiffi the author of this article I posted deserves better as well. Journalists/activists like him deserve to NOT have fear when providing vital information. I know him well -- true patriot.

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Tom, I'm not holding anything against you

And as I said above, when the evidence emerges, I'll be happy to issue an apology.

Thank you for all of your contributions to the site.

He's the man.

Thank you Michael

I try to bring as much info here as I can every day.

I try my best...

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You bring as much GJ spam here as you can every day

You bring as much GJ spam here as you can every day after day, after day, after day, after day, after day, after day....................

Tom,

with all due respect, this should have been posted yet. It has not been confirmed.

I know of this action too but wanted further info before posting.

Now this is spreading way too fast - cuz that's how it goes with stuff like this...

I wish you had waited.

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Ok. I deleted my own comment then

decided to put it back in. I don't mean to stur things up too early before all the facts come out about the current situation though.

I seem to recall back in the 2008 campaign that Jesse Benton was accused of stealing a list (of potential RP supporters) of an activist while at the campaign office in Alaska. Jesse also called the police on this activist to get him booted from the office. I could be wrong on some of the details though. Somebody made a video and posted it on the DP at the time.