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Kudos!! I have to sing a song from the 5Th Element to get mine to come to me, otherwise he demands food.. he gets a fresh egg yolk every morning, followed by a can of fancy feast or sheba, and a big bowl that has a variety of cat chow, meow mix, and expects greenies, Temptations, crave, pounce treats.. he gets brushed and combed everyday, is very good about taking baths once a week, and my reward: an assortment of gophers, mice, shrews, birds, and vols. Also, he is very good about wearing his vampaire costume for Halloween, his angel costune for Christmas, and his Ron Paul tee shirt when I entertain company.

Hmmm maybe I should just buy an electric can opener?

Dry food in a Tin Pan :)

Laughing! Lets see, My kitten showed up at 5 weeks of age in the honeysuckle bush. I saw it run from my garden to the bush while a friend was visiting. I commented. I do not want to know what I just saw. I did not see it.

No I could leave the little 5 week old orange and white tabby to the elements. So, I tried to feed it and call it. It was a scared little thing. My neighbor a real cat lady, came over and put food on her finger and coaxed it out. Thus I now have a cat named Honeysuckle (named by my boys). I talk to the cat like I am its mother. When it wsa a kitten it used to just cry, so I cried back in cat voice cum ere (come here) and waaaat (what). We still talk.

Needless to say a little friend has shown up so now I have 2. I can barely pet the new friend, but we are making progress. The two cats lay in the yard together. It is the strangest thing…like they are long lost friends. Maybe littermates? I have named that one kitty.

They get rough treatment compared to your sweet thing…dry food in a tin pan. That is why they know they are being fed. LOL :)

It is funny, when we walk the dog, Honeysuckle comes along.


I love the name honeysuckle. Your story reminds me of this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZtJWJe_K_w

My kiiy's name is Maneki Neko. I call him Nini. He adopted me about 5 years ago. He belonged to a neighbor, but he was always at my place. So I complained to the landlord who brought me over a bag of food. I was unmoved. I refused to let him in the house or feed him, but that did not stop him from trying so hard to be charming and seducing me.. he would climb a tree walk along a limb and fall into my arms and purr. I was unmoved.

So one Friday evening he shows up with his rear end slashed wide open, and a 4" ling gash from his spictor along his left hip. He laid on my porch door mat looking at me, pleading "help". I called all the vets, but all the offices were closed. It was suggested by one's answering service that I drive him to Santa Rosa, 2 hours away. I was not going to do that, so I put a thick layer of neospoin on him and laid him in a box in a dark part of the house and let him rest until Monday, when I took him to a vet. He received treatment, and I complained to the landlord who gave me the money for half the medical bill. I prepared and had teh neighbor sign a paper releasing him to me, and babied him through the cone head period. He was able to keep his tail, but half of it is numb so when he lifts it it is curved, otherwise, he is a beautiful tuxedo, cute guy and in still in love with me. He defends me from dogs, quite a fighter, eats chicken food when I don't give him enough attention.. get jealous of the chickens. But he's happy and I have a good pet, even the vet says, he's a great cat. He is.

I would like to get a dog. I love animals.. hope to adopt kids one day. I'm off the the soup kitchen. Have a wonderful day (((bear))))

A very fine house with 2 cats in the yard :)

Nini is one smart kitty! He knew just who to adopt to get the cats life! I loved hearing his story.

I forgot you have chickens. I have such a poor memory. I should have remembered that since I love chickens so.

The dog, putt, is here because when I had cancer we had to let go of my 3 cats because I became highly allergic to them and they knew how to use the same pet door my yorkie used. She is no longer with us after dying of old age. Anyways we were petless and life was good…until my 8 year old at that time said, “Mommy do we not have any pets?” Seems all his school friends had pets. So for Christmas we got a puppy. Now the puppy is a dog. And now we have a dog and almost 2 cats, one I get the 2nd fixed and vaccinated I will claim him fully. I was just able to pick up for the first time last week, so I suppose his trip to the vet is close at hand now.

Have you considered foster children? I know people who have adopted that way. It is sad that there are children who have no hope of a real home.

I marked your post up, but it had been marked down for some reason. Perhaps we have wondered to far off topic? I digress I am afraid :)


Yes ((((((((((((((((bear))))))))))))))

I have considered fostering children, and I look forward to the opportunity. I'm not so much interested in adopting infants, God Bless Them, but I am interested in giving children, even teens, an opportunity to grow up in a safe and loving environment with plenty of opportunity to learn as much as they can and how to love themselves. I don't want to do this alone, so I hope I can find the right husband (I'm not looking).. I've never been married or had children. I would also hope to learn from them, get educated and grow to be a better person.

I believe in God's will, as it is what makes me so strong, not that I don't have weaknesses, or imperfections, all I have to do is re-read a post for the fourth time and the dyslexia shows me... I am not perfect, far from it. God's LOVE is what is perfect, and I really believe that by accepting God's will, which is not easy, is best.. I will know God's will because I will feel the love.

Good Morning (((((((((((((((((((((Granger))))))))))))))))))!

I think we are of a kindred spirit :) Jeff & I did not have children for nearly 20 years. Our church was praying for us. I wasn't. Why? Because I wanted to be content in the state in which God had for me, not looking for something that may never be. Not being dissatisfied with something out of my power to change. Making the most out of the position in life I was given. Low and behold out of the blue, a pregnancy. It is all good, but with much trial. Yes, resting in God's plan is the way. If only I could remember that always.

Many fine women have done great and marvelous things alone with the help of God. After having my children, my capacity to love other children changed. Maybe it was redirected, maybe I am defective, but it changed.

Here is a fabulous testimony example of God’s work thru a mere single woman, Gladys Aylward, during the Japanese invasion of China http://www.tlogical.net/bioaylward.htm (I don’t know anything about this site other than I found it on a ixquick search for Gladys so I cannot speak other than to the testimony on the page I am giving [fine print lol]):

“Unable to use roads or transportation, she was forced to lead her children [orphans], on foot, over the mountains to the safer province of Sian some 100 miles distant. The trek took twenty seven days in which they had to endure the elements and many hardships. She herself had become ill en route and when they finally arrived safely, she collapsed. The doctors were amazed by the feat as she was suffering from typhus, pneumonia, a relapsing fever, malnutrition, and supreme exhaustion.”

We all have a calling in this life. You are fulfilling yours in wonderful ways as I have come to know just a little about you!

Why Obama will win

I was curious about that myself. Going to the referenced article and then further links looking for the source, I came upon this Obama-Biden site: THE TRUTH TEAM.


Whereas they've been focused on the opposition (convincingly, too), the Republicans have been focused on taking down... those *within* the party. Matthew 12:25 "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand..."

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir


that truth about a house divided and we definitely see it in the GOP. Maybe that is why Dr. Paul wanted Liberty to divide the GOP in order to retake it?

It also concerns me as it seems here on the DP there are so many different voices calling out for a following which could result in Liberty divided or co-opted. I haven’t been a part of this long enough to know what happens after Dr. Paul does not get the nomination. I know others have already been thru it. It is an uneasy feeling not to have Dr. Paul to follow and to have Jesse Benton on the outs. It is hard for me to know what to make of it all.

I was not satisfied with the link Granger gave as being a link to a bill passed by congress and modified by the president. It is very significant to me that someone is saying that the president has decreed that those that speak out against the president can be called enemies of the state. I have asked Granger to get the specific bill. As far as I can tell this is a new breach of Liberty if it is traceable.

A friend of mine is putting together a list of presidential debate questions if you would like to weigh in at http://www.dailypaul.com/255055/bearable-liberty

PS My oldest is asking for his morning dance! Small blessings are major!

It's really a very serious issue.

I'm afraid I checked out Granger's link to the youtube video and got distracted. I found myself laughing out loud to see hypocrite Boehner trying to say what he did with a straight face. (See my comment above.) It amazed me that those people cheered, though I guess it shouldn't have. As I said on some other thread, for a long time I, too, bought into the myth that the Republican Party stood for what it claimed to. I loved that one debate (I forget the exact words, but) where Ron Paul was called extreme or something, and he threw back that his policies only represented what the Republican Party traditionally has.

Thanks for the link with debate questions. I'll check it out. And I loved your post script.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Yes, it is. Granger is going

Yes, it is. Granger is going to try to track down the info at her next meeting. I am hoping it is just a misunderstanding. It is strange I read those words yesterday, but it wasn't until today while I was sitting in church that the seriousness of them hit me. I guess the continual bombardment of news makes me a little calloused

When I watched Boehner it gave me the creeps...as if he was identifying “patriots” for a nefarious reason. I am probably way too paranoid. After all, we have “Patriot Act.” Did you see the young patriot after the Maine delegates were thrown out of the RNC? He was nearly in tears and said it was a sham. Seven veterans were on the Maine delegation. Patriots indeed, duly elected and yet thrown out by a committee. I go from feeling bold to feeling frightened and bewildered by the state of Liberty and sinister control in our country.

The dancing is good though. Nice little workout each morning too!

Yes, it was creepy. He was clearly being duplicitous.

I was thinking of it as just hypocrisy, his knowing full well that what he was saying didn't match who he was. But you have a point. And I can imagine how it must rile him to know that it's Ron Paul's beliefs that get the crowd ignited. As I said to Granger, it appeared so calculated. It's disgraceful how such a disingenuous person could be the House Republican leader. The tea party around here (a diverse group who supported all different candidates in the primaries) had no use for Boehner. I'm glad you have nice things in your life to counterbalance some troublesome circumstances. Yes, I did see those clips after the Maine delegates were thrown out. Tsk. http://www.dailypaul.com/251710/ron-pauls-maine-delegates-er...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I kept thinking about a

I kept thinking about a mental image I have of him and Obama laughing together at a table while they were discussing the budget (raising the debt limit I think it was) as if they were best of friends.

1. Thought you might want to

add this to your photo album. https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNiqBy4...
2. bear, I'm sorry I asked about that FB post, bringing it back to mind. I'm just glad you couldn't remember it well.
3. I'm glad you did NOT like my joke-- either! P.S. I didn't make up the part about a pastor and priest being among those kicked out, what made it sound like the beginning of some joke... (A minister and a priest walked into a bar; the rabbi ducked.) Except it's no joke. It's a travesty what happened. They didn't want Ron Paul to reach the minimum five states/ territories to earn him a nomination and 15 minutes of speaking time. And when he got the minimum even without Maine? They ignored it anyway. They'd have done anything to keep him from speaking. By now I'm convinced it has to do with the Federal Reserve.
4. I meant it that you'd have a resident geek soon enough! They grow up so-o fast. A nice book: Knots On A Counting Rope. (While I see reviews talking about different uplifting "morals to the story," I liked it just re the tradition of storytelling to keep memories alive.) http://www.amazon.com/Knots-Counting-Reading-Rainbow-Books/d...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Hi, funny picture 2 traitor

Hi, funny picture 2 traitor peas in a pod? Who is giving who lessons? LOL

No problem with the bar joke, or the mouse either. I didn't take offence. It is troubling to me that I cannot remember what I read a few hours later even enough to give some semblance of the idea.

I understood what you were talking about resident geek. I hope I don't keep mine in the dark ages too long. You know my husband will be 52 this week LOL. We are old fashioned and don't even know it. When you made the comment about resident geek my first thought was I hope we don’t hold him back so much that he is not able to do us any good with all the modern technology. Plus we live in Missouri and we are way behind the times here. LOL
To me everything seemed to change after the fed hearing and Ron Paul's breakfast with Bernanke. At least that is what I think. There was also a guy in red with collar upturned in that fed hearing. I’ll go see if I can find the link. It was troubling to me to see him. He looked rough and threatening to me. About 3 minutes in: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/PanelTw . Only one without a suit and tie? And now the Fed is printing money monthly? What, are they trying to destroy us before their contract comes up in 2013? It seems like in my past reading and watching uTube that the Fed/National Bank did not have 100 year contracts. 100 years was a long time to get their claws sunk in very deep.

I gotta run :)

Hey, bear,

look what I just found. Guess there were a few.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Thanks for the link :)

Thanks for the link :)

Funny medium, this.

Vs. personal conversation where you can see facial and other gestures that help to convey meaning. It takes so much explaining! I didn't think the bar "joke" would offend. Just meant that I was glad that you also felt the situation was not in the least acceptable.

And don't worry about the "dark ages." The current cultural status quo has shifted our sense of reality and what's good. What's NOT normal or good is for children to be sitting for hours in front of screen, not interacting with parents, siblings, and friends, not being active. And anything elementary students would learn about computers will be obsolete already by the time they graduate high school. Jr high/high school is soon enough to become "prepared for the real world." Most importantly, I am 100% convinced that media/technology literally has an effect on the developing brain. Here are two books on the subject. When they were written, the issue was television, not computers. The principles are the same; newer technology only exacerbates the issues. I read "Four Arguments" back in the late 80's. I took it to heart with no regrets. There have been some amazing ironies, but that's for another time.

I checked out that hearing clip. You don't miss a trick. Yes, very odd. He didn't look remotely interested in what was being said. Looked like a bodyguard to me. Well, a late start to my day. I re-listened to a recent DP video clip with a short segment in which (being interviewed by someone) former general Westley Clark said something (in 2007) re the U.S. going to war with Iran. It was just two seconds, so I went to find the original interview to find out more. Found another just slightly longer clip that at least answered a question I had. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcuAgAhmKXg Rather chilling, actually. But I still went to the original interview and listened (for an hour) to see what else he'd said. Okay, I'm already a bit on information overload. Have a nice day...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Seems like I saw a Clark

Seems like I saw a Clark video on the DP last week that had some of those same words in it. I believe he was promoting a book, but I could be wrong, my memory is so bad.

A body guard, I hadn't considered that. He looked like a goon ready to rough someone up. I like the thought of a body guard much better.

Yes, it is difficult sometimes for me to read correctly. Funny how that is.

Maybe the answer is here?


When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Have You Seen This Yet?

My new post... http://www.dailypaul.com/255638/new-obama-flag-to-fly-at-fed...

I find it quite alarming.

Hi, there

Yes, that flag was odd. Ironically, to me, those indefinite, ragged-looking stripes were more what you'd find on some painting that was attempting to make the point, "Look what our presidents and Congress have done to this country, eroding what we were supposed to stand for..." That the party in office would make it their emblem is peculiar.

I've found something alarming, too - not that this was the first I'd heard of it, just perhaps coming from more credible sources, this connection we have with Israel that is more than just a ally. There were a couple recent posts on the subject. Aside from a number of coincidences (or not) relating to the Mossad and 911, I'm really not comfortable with so many people in leadership roles within our government who have been Israeli citizens, i.e., holding dual citizenship. Israel, among other countries, doesn't permit that in its own government - and understandably: it poses a conflict of interest. From links at those other posts, I came across an article myself that reviews some of those conflicts of interest, that I posted. http://www.dailypaul.com/255961/the-separate-security-intere...

By the way, I've had it on my mind to do and finally did... listen to a sermon from your church, just the first so far. I was disappointed when it cut off at the end! I thank you for passing on the link. I plan to watch more. I might still belong to a church if I'd had the experience of those kinds of sermons, i.e., with examples and personal stories that help to explain the meaning of passages vs. reading a passage that is simply used as a segue into a pastor's only loosely-related stories that might, in fact, run counter to what it actually says in the Bible. When they give me the job of telling "the church" how to do its job, I'll be happy to suggest the Proverbs sermon as an example. :) And let me tell you, bear, not re talebearer (unless unwittingly), a pet peeve of mine, but re a couple other things... well, let me put it this way. Can you somehow see me? My house? Did you pass that along to me... for a reason?! LOL Well, I'd love to stay and chat but I have to get MOVING!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Thanks for the info :)

Yes, I saw that 9/11 Mossad Post over the weekend. What a tangled web of deceit. I thought the article you linked was very well written. I went right over there and voted you up and left you a comment. If you will reply I will try to keep you bumped up. I am glad you had a chance to listen to one of Jeff's sermons. He loaded some more last night. People do enjoy his down to earth teaching.

I have so many mixed feelings on Israel. As a Christian, I love the Jewish people because God loves them. And because I have been taught to, I suppose. But God loves all people, so I love all people as well. I see how public sentiment can be turned on a population for the purpose of ethnic cleansing like in Nazi Germany, so when I hear all the anti-Zionism rhetoric it scares me a little...hoping that people will not transfer that to hatred of the Jewish people.

At the same time…what in the world is going on? Why are there people with dual citizenships influencing our government. Then you gotta also ask why is there a man with the middle name Hussein sitting as the President of the United States? How many citizenships does he hold?

I just saw the strangest thing when making sure I was spelling his middle name correctly. I used wiki and typed in his name and the quote that showed up in my search says:
“Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Barack Hussein Obama II (born August 4, 1961) is the 44th and current President of the United States. He is the first Nigga to hold the office. Born in Honolulu ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama - Proxy - “

I wonder why the N word is there? When I clicked on the link it said African American. Now that bugs me.

You make an important distinction.

This issue about some possible link between the Mossad and 911; and, regardless of that, the issue of people in our government who have had or do now hold Israel citizenship (in addition to the lobbying done by AIPEC, as one comment to my post raised); the issue of Israeli spying on the CIA; along with the issue of war with Iran (and some are saying Israel is planning to attack and is expecting the U.S. to back it up)... is not about the Jewish people.

In fact, there are Jewish people in Israel who have begun a campaign making a distinction between "the people" and "the government." (Hmm. That sounds familiar.) It was begun by this guy, who posted a letter to the Iranians on his FB page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYjuUoEivbE&list=PL14D2D3E5E3...
From there, they made a youtube video, with now 400,000 hits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7agK8MIJ3T0&feature=related
But individual Israeli citizens also began to post things. Some are here. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL14D2D3E5E3E430FD
P.S. Some in Iran began posting back, "Iran loves Israel." But as one Iranian with covered face said, there are people who feel that but are afraid to say it openly.

I've had that same feeling of what went on in Germany. But the facts here are the facts. Israel doesn't permit those with other citizenship in its government; and they're not the only country with that PRUDENT policy to avoid potential conflicts of interests, ensuring that priorities are straight. And as to 911, there were two posts (or comments) linking interviews with highly-credentialed people. This government owes it to the people to either prove their accusations wrong or begin an investigation (or, perhaps, resume an investigation; it was said that some within the FBI who'd begun to investigate certain things were, in the best case scenario, pulled off the case). One of those two who were interviewed said that those involved have so far been able to count on people being afraid to speak out for fear of being called anti-Semitic - that these perpetrators were using those victims for their own ends; he said he's not intimidated, that that's not where it's coming from but from the evidence.

And I, for one, do not support war with Iran - that is, beginning WWIII. I don't believe it is in our best interest. I believe in acting defensively, not pre-emptively. I know that there is a large Zionist lobby among certain Christians (evangelicals?); the organization was begun by John Hagee, and I saw that Rod Parsley was among supporters. Are they urging their sons to go slay Iranians, no less if and when the United States has not been attacked, AND neither has Israel. We are not the Israeli Army. That one U.S. general not to long ago said that (forgetting Iran), if we continued in the current wars, there would need to be a draft. Are Obama and Romney highlighting that fact when they discuss foreign policy, including the issue of Iran? There are people I love who are in the military. While it's a pity so many troops have died or lost limbs or been blinded or brain damaged or are dealing with psychological problems already, America needs to face the real consequences here.

Unfortunately, there are a few different and overlapping issues. For instance, re that page of numerous "coincidences" re 911, I've read that people are not necessarily accusing the Israeli government as a whole but "rogue elements" within the government. Yet the issue of the spying that the CIA discovered would appear to be larger than that. And the issue of our government being pressured to be involved with Israel concerning Iran's nuclear abilities is coming from the Israeli government. Yes, a tangled web!

I hope you realize, bear, I'm thinking out loud here, not directing any of this at you personally! I'm just very concerned about all of it. I guess you could say I'm venting some of my frustration. That I have a personal connection re the military just makes me all the more concerned that NO ONE dies for nothing, let alone something I/they don't even believe in - different than, say, legitimately defending America and Americans; and like so many I've now read or heard, it's beginning to look like to me, too, that this has been a plan long in the making - already at the expense of too much blood.

I need to end here on a positive note. I really did enjoy Jeff's sermon. And I did take it to heart. Hope you're still dancing!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

That is plain frightening.

That is plain frightening.

Supposedly, there are 6

Supposedly, there are 6 million Paul supporters (can't remember where I heard this number...some MSM estimate based on number of "counted" votes for Dr Paul). If the MSM is correct and the number is only 6 million now, and each one of us converted just one person per year to the Liberty movement, we would be over 12 million by the mid-term and 24 million by the 2016 election.

I personally think the MSM is way off on the numbers. I think we are closer to 24 million now. Regardless, I have a personal goal of converting at least one person per year to Liberty for the rest of my life.

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. - Heinlein

We are around

10.5 million+ according to my figures. Doug Wead about 4 months ago stated that we were over 30% of the GOP voting block. I put us at 35% now.

If the election were tomorrow between Paul and Obama your figures are too low.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul


Your word is good by me. How did you come up with 35%, and if you have that data can you throw it at me.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

That was painful to watch

but, as many of us know...it's even more painful to take the time to try and educate our clueless population. I've had the same type conversation a number of times with people I run into and it's SO difficult not to get upset.

This guy did a pretty good job (probably better than I have ever been able to do) but I'd like to be able to present our ideas in an even less confrontational manner. I have to be real careful not to say "your wrong" or "you don't know what your talking about" or similar comments. I think those type of comments automatically put the person we are trying to educate on the defensive.

I'm not in any way complaining about this guys presentation and I applaud him for taking the time to help spread the message. This clip is a very good example of both how clueless most of the people are and how incredibly difficult it is to try and have an intelligent converstation with people who just don't get it. It's exhausting...

This is exactly the mentality

This is exactly the mentality I've been up against in the past 12 months! It's obvious she's a Faux News zombie. I have to give her credit though for staying and listening to him. Kudos to this guy for being calm, cool, and collected during the entire time and thank you for your service to our country! I truly believe the military is waking up to the truth about our undeclared wars and the toll it's taking on them and the country.

That's just it


Thery are NOT happy with what they saw happen to us at the RNC.

They want solutions.