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It is a fact, DP

The average person does not care about logic or history. Ever feel you're fighting an uphill battle?

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The Avg. American

Is ignorant of history; they possess no ability to reason logically. Thats the sad truth. Take a look at the Youtube video today on the DP where the Paul supporter destroys the Romney hack in debate.
Need I say more?
I personally know how frustrated that guy must have felt. I had many of those discussions. IGNORANT Sheeple who have no Idea just how stupid they look in those types of debates. It's beginning to make me feel helpless or is it stupid for trying to get these sheeple to see the logic.
But I have a Grandchild on the way.Due to arrive around the election. So I won't give up. Thats my promise to her/him?
It may even be tougher than our founders had it during their revolution. They faced the same difficulties and never gave up.
God help us so we won't have to fight the KING again.

Blame the public school

Blame the public school system which teaches its victims to jump hoops but not question authority. Regurgitate info, but don't analyze possibilities. Be a team player, don't go against the grain.

If you don't do these things you end up an RP supporter and you will forever be frustrated witnessing the robots parroting their media programming.

The glimmer of hope is that the zany sunglass lady was visibly malfunctioning in her cognitive dissonance and might just snap out of her programming if she continues to engage herself in some of the questions that RP patriot laid out for her.

The lady with the figurative and literal blinders on

Boy the look on her face after the Oath Keeper informed her of the candidates' top campaign donors was priceless. It really looked like the hamster stopped the wheel, and took her aback.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Yes

but that doesn't make me pessimistic or apathetic to trying to spread the message of liberty and try to wake people up at every chance I can. You have to be persistent, you have to be optimistic, and you have to be confident in what you believe in.

The hardest part for me is finding strategies in which to get to people and make an lasting impact. I've been studying Socrates a ton lately, I dream of a day where I can master his Socratic Dialect. If I can, I truly believe convincing people will be second nature to me. The hardest part is to get people to break there world views, some people are more willing, others can be incredibly stubborn and tough.

Yes,

but I get my optimism from Paul. I know we are winning and I pray I see great things in my lifetime. My children surely will though.

Clearly we are fighting an uphill battle for now...

but the good news is that when the Liberty movement has little set backs...very few people seem to let it stop them from continuing to fight for what is right. When you grasp the whole "an idea whose time has come" attitude, the things that happened at the RNC, the Jesse controvery, the Rand issues, etc do very little in the way of slowing us down.

I view it much like priming a pump...if we never stop pumping the handle...the water will not drain back to the bottom and eventually we will all get a good cool drink of water.

I try to lead by example.

I don't try to change anyone's mind anymore, I just try to live my life in a way that expresses my views.

Please have compassion concerning people, they no not what they do or think, due to an attack on our senses by design, the ultimate goal being total enslavement and death of the masses.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Just curious, what did/do you have in mind w/ this post?

What is the point? What (good) purpose does it serve?

Is the point that our task is a difficult one? Is there any doubt that the task we MUST successfully complete, for each of our enlightened self interest, will be very difficult and take very long to complete?

Please share what you have/had in mind when creating/posting this post.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

What I had in mind

Just sharing my feelings with a community that knows the struggles of spreading liberty. It's good to get positive reinforcement and words of encouragement from those that are like-minded. I get very discouraged every now and then, and the DP community always helps.

By any chance did you just see this post?

http://www.dailypaul.com/254911/paul-supporter-destroys-romn... What you said was illustrated there. (Here also http://www.dailypaul.com/254914/treason-in-america) I had the same thought myself. But it's good that gm asked the question. It might be an uphill battle, but taking it one step - in my opinion, one issue - at a time, we'll get there. What I tend to be guilty of, as I think also the Ron Paul guy in the video, is mentioning too many issues at once. Of course in his case, he wasn't going to be seeing that woman again, and so he had no choice. But where family and friends are concerned, it can be information overload, and you can get shut out completely. What I find particularly irksome is when I'll bring something up - like I did sending a Romney-supporting friend notice when the 2,000th serviceman died in Afghanistan recently, and the response was... "it's Obama's fault." The wars, the national debt... EVERYTHING is "Obama's fault." When... Romney only AGREES with Obama on it all! Which I've SAID, proved with video clips and articles. It doesn't register. That's the other thing. For certain people, you just have to let it go and talk about the weather.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Yep

I posted right after seeing that.

Just a suggestion-hope it helps

it is difficult, very difficult but there is much working in our favor and we have no hard deadline. While we all wish we could fix this thing today-we will not nor do we need to do so.

Just keep plugging away and don't put needless pressure on yourself. Do what you can do as often as you can.

Also, give the people you come in contact with enough time to speak their mind, i.e. listen to them/find out where they are, before you begin your pitch. Sometimes it is not even worth your time to work on people that are deeply asleep. Move on to the lower hanging fruit first. Also, by letting them speak first they will often say things that provide a good opportunity for you to build on. Don't feel like you must convert them in one conversation-you will not. Just plant seeds. World/US events will help those seeds to sprout and take root.

No need to be discouraged because the task is difficult but not impossible. Keep your expectations realistic and you will not be discouraged when you confront the expected reality. Even when it seems you have not achieved anything you have. As someone said in another thread-They cannot UN-HEAR what they heard you say.

P.S. Remember, the criminals did not create this nightmare overnight, it took the decades-centuries really. We have made great progress in a few short years though it may not be apparent. They never stop working-WE WILL NEVER STOP WORKING to defeat them and we have truth and good on our side. Trust me, as long as we never quit, we will prevail. The only thing that can defeat us is ourselves by giving up. Don't give up.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Good suggestions

I was writing my reply at the same time you were. Yes, I finally had to accept that some are "deeply asleep." As I posted on that other thread, (it was actually related to the Raub case), psychologists weighed in on why some people refuse to even consider some of the unanswered questions re 911 (with Raub, that 3rd tower that collapsed). They call those who question 911 "crazy," when what was actually not normal was to be confronted with evidence and NOT question things.

It's worth a look if you didn't happen to see it, as it conveys some universal principles, namely, how we might so closely identify with our worldview that to question the foundation on which it is based could force us to question our very selves, require a re-evaluation of, well, everything. If the foundation of our beliefs proved to be false, then everything WE had said or done based on those beliefs would also come under question. The denial was something of a defense mechanism.

Television is another issue, not the bias but medium itself. It fosters a short attention span. Used to being fed everything in "bytes," some people (literally) can not follow a logical train of thought. Some also view "loyalty" as some inherently good trait, as if it didn't matter to whom or what you were remaining loyal to.

One time it made me sick when someone who'd been very defensive about a certain issue I'd raised sent me a note saying that he'd listened to Michael Savage that day, and it seemed I was right. The thought of gaining credibility (at least on that one issue) via a low-class, vulgar neocon slime like Savage - who nothing less than called Ron Paul "Dr. Mengele" - was hard to stomach!

My, what a strange, strange trip it's been. But you're right. There's no deadline. We've just got to keep on truckin'.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Fabulous points made in a wonderfully crafted manner

Thank You mdefarge. Agree 1000 percent.

Love your GD reference at the end. You are clearly a great asset to our movement. We are honored to have you.

P.S. If you would, please put some life in this:
http://www.dailypaul.com/254942/we-are-the-core-we-are-the-b...
so it may live long enough to do the good that was intended.

What I said above was completely sincere and is completely unrelated to this request.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

MOST of the people prefer to be followers

They will do anything to stay in the current "norm" of society.

Our job is to become their LEADERS. To make our way of thinking the "norm". Most of them will never get the intricacies of the philosophy, and MOST will shy away from intellectual discussion.... but they will usually follow the NORM, so that they aren't obliged to be individuals.... different.... "weird".

The tide is turning in this regard.
Feeling TIRED of the wars, and worried about how we're going to pay for them is becoming ...... "the norm".
Feeling that we are getting screwed by the big banks and the FED is becoming..... "the norm".
Feeling that the government should get off our backs and scale down is becoming..... "the norm"

The REVOLUTION has to become...... the "norm". And then the "flock" will follow US.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Michael Nystrom's picture

At the DP, we are not looking for average people

We are seeking the most extraordinary ones.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Absolutely

And its the support from the people here that keep me going.

Michael Nystrom's picture

I am very happy to know that

Thank you. It means that my work here is not all in vain.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.