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Analysis of the Current Factions on the Daily Paul

There are:

  • The No One But Paul! faction. Two subsets:
    • "Ron Paul can still actually win!"
    • "I can't bring myself to vote for anyone else"
  • The Vote Gary Johnson faction. Also two subsets:
    • GJ can actually win!
    • "Let's send a message to the GOP!"
  • The I'm not voting for nobody faction. "Voting is a scam, and I refuse to be anyone's monkey."
  • The Vote Romney faction. "Because Ron Paul told us to stay in the GOP."
  • The Vote Obama faction. "Let's really punish the GOP!"

Any others that I missed?

People say we need to "be united," but that is not true. We are all individuals and we need to follow our own paths. People say, "Ron Paul united us, so we should do what he says." But that is not true either. Ron Paul did not unite us, we all voluntarily chose to unite behind him. There is a big difference. And that difference means that there is no need to drop our individuality now. We are still all united in our love of liberty, regardless of how we choose to express it.

Whatever path you choose - and all pursuers of all are welcome here - what I ask is that you please don't attack one another. Furthermore, please don't preach about how your path is the one and only true and correct path. This is getting tiresome. Your path is the one true and correct one, for you, for now. Don't try to force others into it. Offer your observations and explain and share with us what you're doing and why, but don't expect people to follow you.

This is my observation on the first faction: No One But Paul - was a campaign slogan. It originated in the grassroots, but was coopted by the Campaign and used to great effect for a moneybomb that raised a lot of money. But clearly, from the campaign's leadership perspective, it was nothing more than a slogan.

No one but Paul... And Mitch McConnell?

Right.

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SteveMT's picture

It's not staying w/the repubs or going over to the dems either!

In a Friday interview with Bloomberg News, Rep Ron Paul (R-TX) was asked to reflect on his presidential campaign and state whether or not he was “unhappy” with his party.

“Well, it's not my party,” Rep. Paul responded. “I don't like politics at all, and I think both parties are Keynesian economists and both parties support the positions that I don't like. So the party in many ways is irrelevant.”

http://www.dailypaul.com/252733/ron-paul-the-gop-is-not-my-p...

That's a hell of a thing to

That's a hell of a thing to say for someone whose strategy has been to transform the GOP. If he really believed there was no reason to stay with the GOP and they neither supported Ron, nor did they represent his views, why even run for president... why not abandon the party earlier?

SteveMT's picture

The 'perfect storm' is the reason why he said this now.

1. Ron Paul is leaving Congress and political life (as far as we know).
2. Ron Paul was a presidential candidate (it still hurts to say 'was').
3. The dirtiest and most underhanded tactics were used against Ron Paul by the RNC in this campaign than ever before.
4. Ron Paul tells the truth.

Peace faction

Group of all kinds that demand to bring the troops home and stop drones.

"Any others that I have missed?" YES!

The strategy of the R3VOLution is to rebrand liberty INSIDE their
2-party duopoly.

AND ITS WORKING.

Please read: http://www.dailypaul.com/239219/the-libertarian-party-is-a-f...

Treg

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Hey, I missed this thread.

I am a libertarian but agree that the momentum and fight, is presently in the Repub party.

If we had more numbers, things would happen quick.

im a libertarian since 1980, please learn from my experience

Learn "What is in a Name" and learn why "Jefferson Democrats" and "Ron Paul Republicans" are the KEY to enter and own the 2-party duopoly that sits over us.

And its FUN to do!!!

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No *(asterik) is Attatched to Your Vote.

"A vote is a vote, is a vote, is a vote."

Just want to remind people that, in a literal sense, and in my opinion, votes do not have emotional letters attached to them that everyone in America reads or cares about.

Sure, the debate and philosophy about the core of the electoral process is great and interesting, but at the other end of the spectrum, it's just a +1 in a column (If it even gets counted).

"A vote for Romney is this, a vote for Obama is that, Gary is a wasted vote", we've heard it all and I've been in all categories mentioned in the OP at some point during this summer. I've settled on 2 questions; "Which party is closest to my political ideology and who does Dr. Paul support?" That's how I plan on making my decision. That's all I really can do (In a presidential-election-voting sense).

SteveMT's picture

"Which party is closest to my political ideology..."

and who does Dr. Paul support?"

Did you really mean to say that? Ron Paul does not support any presidential candidate neither in the republican party or any other party. Ron Paul has also stated that the republican party is not his party.

http://www.dailypaul.com/253955/ron-paul-the-republican-part...

GTFO

You show bias towads the end

"But clearly, from the campaign's leadership perspective, it was nothing more than a slogan.

No one but Paul... And Mitch McConnell?

Right."

Just saying...

The Five Stages of Grief

I am voting for Gary Johnson

I love Ron Paul however I want to vote for someone on the ballot. RP should consider the libertarian ballot but I am sure he does not want to screw his son over.

I know GJ will not win but I am just putting points on the board for him. Rmoney and Obama Hussein are both scary people.

Best post ever.

What I like about Mike is he grows. He's not so arrogant as to believe he has all the answers. He says less now and it resonates more because it is wiser.

'We' makes me cringe every time I read it here because there is so much 'I' behind the use of the term. 'I' need people to believe what I' believe and act like 'I' prescribe.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

Most difficult choice, indeed.

GJ is the best candidate "on the ballot". He is Liberty minded, where the others clearly are not. However GJ does not represent all of the values that I look for in a candidate.

Is any one candidate perfect? No. Should I disregard GJ because he does not line up 100%, and instead "willfully allow" romney/obama a win? No.

But I also contemplate tough love. The young generation is brilliant with knowledge and wonderful with ideas. What the young generation has not learned however, is that jumping ship midstream or quitting before the finish line will never take the win.

Can GJ win this election? If he does, do we have enough Liberty folks in the house and senate to back him/us where it counts?

I think this nation needs to pump more iron. If it means waiting another 4 years to bulk up and increase our strength, so be it. But you had better vet every single candidate from local on up that you want to support.

Ron Paul 2012. By write-in. Because lessons, even now, need to be learned.

F&CK the gop/rnc.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Anyway you look at it,

Anyway you look at it, punishing the GOP is a muscle flex they cannot ignore.

If Romney wins then we can kiss this entire thing goodbye. We were able to build on the moment of 2008 exactly because Obama won.

Romney needs to go down or we are screwed....

That's it...

...in a nutshell.

Yup-yup...you missed one Michael

The Vote Gary Johnson faction has one more subset.
* "Gary Johnson is the best candidate left on the ballot now!"
It does not matter IF he can win, though IF he is on the ballot he has as good a chance as anyone else on the ballot. That may be far reaching, but stranger things have happened. I have been one of the "No one but Paul" people all along. But being as that would ONLY be a message to the GOP and have no real chance of doing anything other than that...well I had to reconsider. Particularly since Gary Johnson IS in fact a liberty candidate that holds many of the some positions as Ron Paul on the important key liberty based issues. That plus the fact that I believe that Gary Johnson is honest and would not sell out, and he is not a known liar criminal flip-flopper like the two establishment candidates. If we can not go back to no parties as the founder's intended, we need to grow a third party.
To accept a two party establishment system is to accept pure democracy and give up on the republic. We do not want that.
As Gary says, he is not the third candidate...he is the ONLY candidate.
I will support and campaign for Gary Johnson.

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

I agree with you Steve

and that's why I'm planning on voting GJ. Is he the perfect choice? No, but then Ron Paul had things that I and others disagreed with. The only 'perfect' choice for almost everyone would be themselves (and I would not take the job!).

Also, in my opinion, it looks like this Republic is headed for some very harsh times. I don't think I would want to expose Ron Paul, and the liberty movement, to what is coming, it ain't going to be pretty! I feel it's too late for any one to do anything to stop what will be happening, the most they can do is try to minimise it. And the one in office will be blamed for it all.

Also

I'm voting for GJ. Libertarians should be in office. Plain and simple. They welcomed Dr Paul and foster his beliefs. They advance thinking in Austrian economics and liberty. We should support them 100%. FU to the single party system. R and D is where the ladder climbing apes reside. L is where the humans are.

voting

look we all know the voting machines are rigged. We all know Ron Paul is not going to be president. I do believe that for me I cannot vote for the lesser of 2 evils and lets face it there is no difference between the 2. So really that leaves us liberty lovers with 2 options. Gary Johnson or not voting at all. I am still stuck on the debate when Mitt was asked about going to war that he would call his lawyers. What? No way. He does not understand the constitution. We are in trouble here people.Just say no to the NWO.

Ron Paul is Wrong

It's absolutely ridiculous to stay in the corrupt, greed-driven Republican Party, just as it is ridiculous to stay in the corrupt, greed-driven Democratic party.
Do not give these parties your loyalty. Become independent. Being loyal to the Republican Party means you are loyal to Goldman Sachs, wars, and the loss of civil liberties. And you don't have the money to "change the party from within," as so many closet Republican supporters are propagandizing.
Frankly, if Ron Paul doesn't have the will or conviction of his beliefs to run as a third party candidate, I'm not taking advice from him.
Vote for Johnson or Stein or anyone but Obama or Romney. If you can't bring yourself to vote for a third party candidate, you may as well stay home. Voting Romney or Obama just cements the status quo of more war and drains the Treasury for the benefit of the wealthy.
Vote third party or don't vote at all.

B-b-but...

We have to recognize and respect the people that have already gained positions within the GOP and wish to continue to try their best to "fix" it if they can from the inside. Many I know can not openly endorse or support Gary Johnson and risk the loss of their position. But I do know many of them who are still going to vote for Gary in November. It will suck for the polling that does includ Gary Johnson leading up to November. But most of them are loaded polls anyway that only give you a choice of (D) & (R) or "undecided" right now. WOW! Really? That is supposed to be a real poll? Give me a break.
Everyone has their part and position to play here. We are still a team...still united...just playing different parts.
As Tom Woods said in Tampa..."be an army of one."

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

RE: #4

I don't remember Ron Paul ever saying "Vote for Mitt." I think you can stay in the party and change it, as we're seeing happen on many state levels, and still not vote for Mitt. It's not a requirement. I'll keep my Republican party affiliation for now, but I'll still give my vote to Gary Johnson.

I would love in depth analysis on this phenomena

that I have come to realize but have yet to fully understand.

Anyone ever notice the very involved people to all happen to be in the military or have had some history of service in their family. Heck Ron Paul was in the military right.

Well I am trying to understand libertarians who are and aren't active and why that might be. Why some have been content to not ever be involved in action but like to talk and talk.

I have seen a distinction of people that I dare call morally bereft and the duty bond and the conflict of the two working together in the movement.

What makes those that are seemingly duty bond philosophically and morally to take the step of action. I find myself here.

The other is more logically inclined to liberty and has little to no interest in translating any passion for the ideas beyond discussion and argument.

These two factions exist and I can think of the types of people for instance that tend to be in either camp. They seem to have differing moral obligation to the cause which can propel activity.

Thoughts?

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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What Drives You?

The word is conviction. Conviction is a powerful motivator and originates in an extra sensory manner. Humans generally sense only the physical manifestation of conviction, not the source of it. The nature of conviction can manifest in various ways depending on its source.

I'll offer this observation.......

United we stand, divided we fall. Yes, we are individuals entitled to support whomever we choose, but only a majority has power to bring change.

80% split 5 ways won't defeat a united 20%.

That's a reality check and a great strategy for the 20% to rule the 80%.

Regardless, I believe we have to lose liberty completely, experience a great economic depression and suffer mass losses in warfare before change will ever come. The bright side is those surviving will remember those that warned them and look to them for leadership.

Get OBama out of the White House.

Everything now is very serious and dangerous, not only here but around the world. I'm a Ron Paul supporter and have been for years, but whether you all agree or not, we need to earnestly be praying about what God wants us to do. Most of the country doesn't care about any "statements" we try to make. Obama has shown what he will and won't do, so let's get him out, whatever it takes. I don't like Romney, but we sure better be seeking God's will, because He is in control, not us.

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Your god isn't a registered

Your god isn't a registered voter. Human beings are responsible for all the good and evil of this world... all are merely by-products of self-interest.

Interesting Quote

“Anyone who clings to the historically untrue -- and -- thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never solves anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler would referee. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor; and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.”

Robert Anson Heinlein

Related to Locke

The existence of government is a social contract where we all give up the right of aggression and give that right to the state in order to gain maximum liberty free from aggression. Otherwise, we all have right to aggression. If the state breaks this contract, we have the right to use aggressive violence against it.

The doctrine of liberty does not forget that violence is a part of the world. It simply proposes that the sole purpose of government is to use violence on our behalf so that we may live in relative safety, comfort, and peace. It then becomes our responsibility to see that government does not abuse this right to use force and only uses it ways that we would find morally acceptable: against aggressors and con artists.