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Iran Responds to Massive U.S. Armada Gathering in the Persian Gulf

Following a story published in The Telegraph reporting an armada of U.S. and British ships amassing in the Persian Gulf, a top commander in Iran’s Revolutionary Guard warned Sunday that “nothing will remain” of Israel if his country is attacked.

“Our response to Israel is clear: I think nothing will remain of Israel (should it attack Iran). Given Israel’s small land area and its vulnerability to a massive volume of Iran’s missiles, I don’t think any spot in Israel will remain safe,” said Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafar.

He also said Iran would close down the Strait of Hormuz, strike U.S. bases in the Middle East, and withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

“The US military bases sprawled around Iran are considered a big vulnerability. Even the missile shields that they have set up, based on information we have, could only work for a few missiles but when exposed to a massive volume of missiles, the shields will lose their efficiency and will not work,” he explained.


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Those confident the US and Israel are going to

go into Iran and kick ass with impunity... might want to check out
the Sunburn (anti-ship cruise missile) and think that through just
a little more..


CFR Member

Dr. Steve Pieczenik on Alex Jones 9/16 calls Netanhyahu
a liar and states that Netanhyahu will be responsible for the
second Holocaust of Jews:


Pieczenik is a former Army colonel, a collaborator of
Tom Clancy and the principal inspiration/model of Clancy's
character of "Jack Ryan" (and Jewish).

Webster Tarpley is also interviewed and between he and
Pieczenik they break the situation down pretty well. Basically,
they see the neocons, Likudnik Zionists, the Mormon power
structure within the intelligence community and Saudis
pushing for war and to force Obama out with some sort of
"October Surprise" type action - they wish to "Carterize" him,

Scary, but (unfortunately) credible and compelling stuff, IMHO.

Pieczenik comes in at about 35 minutes into the program..

Iran's Attack Back

If we go after them, I hope they can do it. My sympathies are totally with Iran here.


Cyril's picture

+1 For speaking out what you think

+1 For speaking out what you think on this web page, despite :

the CIA, the FBI, the DHS, et al.

Hey lurkers, btw : I feel pretty much the same on that one !

Oh, and Hey, also, hint for you guys :


Courtesy of YOUR Founding Fathers, not even mine !

Enjoy :)

Oh, sorry, wait... Do you think you can read up to 6 lines of Lawful text in English ?

I ask because seems like you guys had some issues, lately... especially your TSA colleague geniuses, "surprisingly".

I know ! ... Some damn public schools, right ? *HUGZ* !

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius


leaders make predictable grandiose speeches to calm down the anxious domestic public. It was the same with Iraqi and Syrian leaders prior to Israeli CLEAN strikes that had wiped out the respective nuclear plants with no secret prisons, torture, nations buildings, billions in cash to warlords, trillions in debt.

The fun part, which escapes muslims and anti-Semites, is that if they truly believed that Iran (or Hezbollah, Russia, China, etc) will damage Israel after the latter attacks Iranian plants, .... they (anti-Semites) would had encouraged Israel to attack.

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U.S. doing more saber-rattling; 4,000 marines headed to M. East

4,000 Marines Headed To Middle East As Part Of Peleliu Amphibious Group Dispatch
Up until now, the LHD 7 Iwo Jima Big-Deck Amphibious Warfare ship was all alone in the Arabian Sea, patiently awaiting orders to liberate this or that middle east country of their oil reserves. This is no longer the case: launching today in general direction - Middle East - for a brand new 7 month engagement, is the LHA 1 Peleliu Amphibious Ready Group, consisting of the amphibious assault ship, the USS Peleliu which consists of 4000 marines. LHA 1 also comprises of the amphibious transport dock USS Green Bay and the dock landing ship USS Rushmore. Also deploying Monday is the Marine Corps' 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit and elements of Fleet Surgical Team 1, Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 23, Assault Craft Units 1 and 5, and Beach Master Unit 1.

It's going to be OK, keep breathing.

Peleliu ARG is going over there to relieve Iwo Jima and her group so they can come home. Ships can only go on deployments for so long before the men and equipment start to break down. 4000 marines are a drop in the bucket; the idea of doing an opposed landing (like D-Day) against Iran is insane. The entire US Marine Corps number less than 250,000 men; the Iranian military is twice that size. Not that we have nearly enough ships to land even 25% of the marines we do have. Stop sensationalizing non-news events; it scares all the other Chicken Littles out there.

Those of us who know about

Those of us who know about (WHICH WAY to PERSIA) knew this would happen. Only the time and dates were unknown.

Bob Marshall

Israel would destroy Iran in

Israel would destroy Iran in about two hours. The only thing I'm worried about is that Russia might take that as a threat to their security and start WWIII..

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Apparently you know little about Iran

...almost as little as you know about Air Power's effectiveness in halting ground based activities for the long haul. Iran is a huge land mass that has the largest Jewish population in the middle east outside of Israel. It is a Muslim nation that apparently has a bunch of Muslims in its direct vicinity who will probably get pretty pissed.

Funny but every war we've ever entered was going to be over in a matter of days, weeks or months. Hopefully sanity will reign and the PTB will "throw a War" and no one will come.

Can you imagine what the cities of Europe will be like when this gets going? Terrorism is an asymmetrical tactic that is deployed cheaply and with great effect. I guess we'll be finding out what it is all about by reading news story's from Europe.

Russia? Maybe. I worry more about the cessation of all oil moved through the Straits of Hormuz. It seems that stupidity is once again going to rule the day. Oh well, glad I'm old and my faded DD-214 is deteriorating in the filing cabinet.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

The world must know the truth about why the U.S. saber-rattling

...against Iran.

It has nothing to do with a nuke.

It's all about the fact that Iran trades its oil for something OTHER than strictly U.S. dollars. And has since 2008.

It's the same reason we attacked Iraq and Lybia.

Wars are ALWAYS about who stands to lose economically and that is always the bankers.

Again, the FED and world central banks are behind this.

We are just the pawns they move around the grand chess board.

There WAS a great man who tried to tell the world this (he even ran for U.S. president), but very few of us would listen.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

"America buys war like

"America buys war like children gobble candy." Henry Kissinger. "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." Henry Kissinger.

Bob Marshall

100% correct

It's ALL about the Petro-dollar.

"I am Troll fighter, number one"



So obviously the Obama Nobel

So obviously the Obama Nobel Peace solution is to provoke them more.
It is an election season you know, the President has to be built up as a tough guy with a large member....

Southern Agrarian


Iran has had Nuclear weapons and the technology for decades thanks to Kissenger.

Timeline of Iran's Nuclear Activities:


The United States and Iran signed a civil nuclear cooperation agreement as part of the United States Atoms for Peace program. The agreement provided for U.S. technical assistance and the lease of enriched uranium to Iran. It also called for research cooperation on peaceful nuclear energy uses.


November – The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, supplied by the United States, opened. It was equipped with a 5-megawatt nuclear research reactor called the Tehran Research Reactor (TRR), fueled by highly enriched uranium.


July 1 – Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Parliament ratified it in February 1970. Uranium enrichment was allowed under the treaty.


May 15 – Iran signed the NPT’s Safeguards Agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The safeguards allowed inspections for the purpose of verifying that nuclear enrichment for peaceful nuclear energy is not diverted to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.

November – West German company Kraftwerk Union, a subsidiary of Siemens, agreed to construct two 1,200-megawatt light water reactors to produce nuclear energy at Bushehr. Construction began in August 1975, but the formal contract was not signed until mid-1976.


The Ford administration expressed support in principle for the shah’s plan to develop a full-fledged nuclear power program to diversify Iran’s energy sources. The shah wanted the capacity to generate 23,000 megawatts of electricity with the ability to reprocess U.S.-supplied fuel.


April 20 – President Gerald Ford issued National Security Decision Memorandum 324 supporting the shah’s ambitions and helping Iran formulate a plan to build 23 nuclear power reactors. But the administration refused to allow Iran to have the independent reprocessing capabilities sought by the shah. Ford’s memorandum instead approved a multinational reprocessing plant in Iran that would also enable the United States to participate in the project. Iran rejected the multinational option and pushed for a comprehensive national nuclear program.


August - President Carter reopened negotiations on the shah’s quest for a nuclear energy program.


January – Iran and the United States initialed a nuclear agreement in which Iran agreed to safeguards beyond NPT requirements. In return, the United States granted Iran "most favored nation" status for reprocessing so that Iran would not be discriminated against when seeking permission to reprocess U.S.-supplied fuel.


After the 1979 revolution, the United States stopped supplying highly enriched uranium for the Tehran Research Reactor.

July 31 – Kraftwerk Union terminated work on the Bushehr reactor when Iran failed to make payments.


February – German engineers returned to Iran to do a feasibility study to complete the Bushehr reactor.

March 24 – Iraq’s attack on the Bushehr nuclear power plant did serious damage.

December – Iran opened a nuclear research center at Isfahan with China’s assistance. In 1985, China supplied the center with a "training reactor."


May 5 – After 18 months of negotiations, Argentina concluded a $5.5 million deal with Tehran to supply a new core for the Tehran Research Reactor so it would operate with only 20 percent enriched uranium, instead of the previous 90 percent. In 1989, Argentina replaced the core. In 1993, Argentina delivered around 50 pounds of 20 percent enriched uranium to fuel the reactor.


Oct. 9 – Iran decided to rebuild the damaged Bushehr nuclear power plant.


Aug. 25 – Russia and Iran signed a cooperation agreement on the civil use of nuclear energy, including construction of a nuclear power plant.


January –Iran signed a contract with the Russian Ministry of Atomic Energy to build a light water reactor at Bushehr under IAEA safeguards. Russia was under a contractual obligation to complete the plant within 55 months. The project’s completion was delayed until August 2010.


May – The IAEA expanded the Safeguards Agreement by adopting the Additional Protocol. Under the latter, inspectors would be allowed to conduct short notice inspections and be provided with multiple entry/exit visas. Iran signed the Additional Protocol in 2003, but had not ratified it as of 2010.


Feb. 23 – The Clinton administration opposed Iran's nuclear energy program on grounds that Iran had sufficient oil and gas reserves for power and that work on the nuclear power reactor could indirectly contribute to a weapons program.

March 6 – Under U.S. pressure, Ukraine announced that it would not sell two turbines for use at the Bushehr reactor.


May 7 – Russia said Iran wanted to expand nuclear cooperation, potentially including the building of a second nuclear power plant.

May 19 – President Mohammad Khatami paid a five-day state visit to Saudi Arabia, where Iran and Saudi Arabia issued a joint statement expressing support for turning the Middle East into a zone free of weapons of mass destruction. They said Israel's production and stockpiling of nuclear weapons, along with its non-compliance with international laws and treaties, posed a serious threat to peace and security in the region.


March 14 – President Clinton signed the Iran Nonproliferation Act, which allowed the United States to sanction individuals and organizations providing material aid to Iran’s nuclear, chemical, biological and ballistic missile weapons programs.


March 12-15 – Russian President Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Khatami signed nuclear and military cooperation accords. Khatami said Iran wanted a second nuclear power plant after the completion of Bushehr.


Jan. 8 – Former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said, "Iran is not seeking to arm itself with non-conventional weapons."

Aug. 15 – The National Council of Resistance of Iran, an exiled opposition group, revealed that Iran was building two secret nuclear sites – a uranium enrichment plant and research lab at Natanz and a heavy water production plant in Arak. President Khatami acknowledged the existence of Natanz and other facilities on Iran's state-run television and invited the International Atomic Energy Agency to visit them.

Sept. 1 – Russian technicians began to assemble heavy equipment in the Bushehr reactor, despite U.S. attempts to convince the Russians not to participate. But the plant faced frequent delays in construction.


Feb. 9 – President Khatami said Iran had discovered and extracted uranium in the Savand area. He cited Iran’s “legitimate right to obtain nuclear energy for peaceful aims” and expressed readiness to accept international inspections of its nuclear activities.

May 6 – Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization presented the United Nations with a sketch of Iran's nuclear program, insisting that the program was peaceful.

May 17 – Tehran backed a proposal by Syria to rid the Middle East of weapons of mass destruction.

June 19 – An IAEA report did not find Iran in violation of the NPT but said Iran should have been more forthcoming about the Natanz uranium enrichment facility and the Arak heavy water production plant. The U.N. watchdog agency later urged Iran to sign and ratify the Additional Protocol to the Safeguards Agreement of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which would allow inspectors more access to nuclear sites and the right to sudden inspections.

Aug. 26 – IAEA inspectors found traces of highly enriched uranium at Iran's Natanz nuclear plant. Iran claimed the traces came from equipment imported from another country.

Sept. 19 – President Khatami said, "We don't need atomic bombs, and based on our religious teaching, we will not pursue them...but at the same time, we want to be strong, and being strong means having knowledge and technology."

Sept. 25 – U.N. weapons inspectors found traces of highly enriched weapons-grade uranium at a second site near the capital city of Tehran. The IAEA set a deadline of Oct. 31 for Iran to prove it was not making nuclear weapons.

Oct. 21 – In talks with Britain, France and Germany (EU-3), Iran agreed to suspend uranium enrichment and processing activities and to open nuclear sites to unannounced inspections by the U.N. watchdog agency. It also agreed to sign the Additional Protocols of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and its safeguards agreement with the IAEA.

Oct. 24 – 1,500 Iranian protestors gathered in Tehran to denounce the recently concluded agreement between Tehran and the EU-3.

Nov. 12 – The IAEA concluded there was no evidence of a secret nuclear weapons program in Iran but showed concern about its production of plutonium. President Khatami said that the plutonium was used for manufacturing pharmaceuticals and the small amount produced by Iran could not make a nuclear bomb.

Dec. 18 – Tehran signed the Additional Protocol to the Non-Proliferation Treaty’s Safeguards Agreement. The Additional Protocol granted IAEA inspectors greater authority in their nuclear verification programs. Since then, Iran has at times voluntarily allowed more intrusive inspections, but the Iranian parliament has not yet ratified the Additional Protocol.

Feb. 22 – Iran acknowledged having secretly bought nuclear parts from international sources, although Tehran continued to insist that its goal was electricity production and not nuclear weapons.

Apr. 7 – Iran declared its plans to construct a heavy water reactor to produce radioisotopes for medical research. Western envoys warned that the facility could reprocess the spent fuel rods to produce plutonium.

Aug. 28 – President Khatami said Iran had a right to enrich uranium and was willing to provide guarantees to the IAEA that it was not developing nuclear weapons.

Oct. 6 – Tehran announced that it had produced tons of the hexafluoride gas needed to enrich uranium by converting a few tons of yellowcake uranium.

Nov. 14 – In negotiations with Britain, France and Germany, Iran accepted the Paris accord, which recognized Tehran's rights to pursue nuclear technology for peaceful purposes and reaffirmed Iran's commitment not to acquire nuclear weapons. In exchange, Iran voluntarily agreed to temporarily suspend uranium enrichment activities and allow the IAEA to monitor the suspension.

Nov. 15 – The IAEA reported that it had not found any evidence that Iran had tried to develop nuclear weapons, although it could not rule out the existence of nuclear materials that had not been declared.

Nov. 22 – Iran invited the IAEA to monitor the suspension of all enrichment-related activities.

Nov. 30 – Iran said that it had not abandoned its right to enrich uranium and that the suspension was only temporary. European officials hoped to make the suspension permanent in return for trade deals and other incentives.

Dec. 22 – Iran’s intelligence minister announced the arrest of more than 10 people on spying charges. Tehran charged the spies were passing sensitive information on Iran’s nuclear program to the Israeli Mossad and the CIA.


Jan. 13 – IAEA inspectors were only allowed partial access to the Parchin military base near Tehran. Under the NPT, Iran was not required to allow inspectors into its military bases. But the Bush administration consistently expressed concern that Iran’s failure to allow full access to its suspected military bases and facilities was linked to a secret nuclear weapons program.

Jan. 17 – President Bush said military action against Iran remained an option, "if it continues to stonewall the international community about the existence of its nuclear weapons program."

Feb. 7 - Iran's Minister of Defense Ali Shamkhani said in an interview that it was not in Iran's national interest to acquire nuclear weapons.

Feb. 28 – Tehran and Moscow signed an agreement that stipulated that Russia would supply nuclear fuel for the Bushehr facility and that Iran would return all spent fuel rods to Russia to ensure the fuel was not diverted for other use.

May 15 – Iran’s parliament approved a non-binding resolution urging the government to resume uranium enrichment for peaceful use.

Aug. 1 – Iran informed the IAEA that it had decided to resume activities at the Isfahan uranium conversion center. The U.N. nuclear watchdog agency urged Iran not to take any action that would prejudice negotiations with Britain, France and Germany (the EU-3) or undermine the IAEA inspection process.

Aug. 5 – Britain, France and Germany (the EU-3) proposed the “Framework for a Long-term Agreement” to Iran. The deal offered assistance in developing peaceful nuclear energy in exchange for a binding commitment that Iran would not to pursue fuel cycle activities other than for light water power and research reactors. It also called for a halt on construction of a heavy water research reactor at Arak. Iran rejected the proposal, as it required Tehran to abandon all nuclear fuel work.

Aug. 8 – Iran resumed uranium conversion at the Isfahan facility under surveillance of the IAEA.

Aug. 9 – Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a fatwa forbidding the “production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons.”

Aug. 11 –The IAEA urged Iran to suspend all enrichment activities and re-instate IAEA seals.

Sept. 24 –The IAEA found Iran in noncompliance with the NPT Safeguards Agreement and decided to refer Tehran to the U.N. Security Council for further action. The decision followed Iran’s repeated failure to fully report its nuclear activities. Tehran countered that it might suspend its voluntary implementation of the Additional Protocol that allowed more intrusive and sudden inspections.

Nov. 20 –Iran’s parliament approved a bill requiring the government to stop voluntary implementation of the Safeguards Agreement’s separate Additional Protocol, which allowed more intrusive and surprise inspections, if Iran were referred to the Security Council. The parliament did not move to block normal inspections required under the Safeguards Agreement, which had been ratified by parliament in 1974.


January – Iran broke open internationally monitored seals on the Natanz enrichment facility and at two related storage and testing locations, which cleared the way to resume nuclear fuel research under IAEA supervision.

Feb. 4 – The IAEA voted to report Iran to the U.N. Security Council for its non-compliance with its NPT Safeguards Agreement obligations.

July 31 – The U.N. Security Council passed Resolution 1696 demanding that Iran suspend its uranium enrichment activities within one month. No sanctions were imposed but the resolution warned that "appropriate measures" would be taken in the case of Iranian non-compliance. Tehran called the resolution illegal.

Aug. 26 – Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad inaugurated a heavy water production plant at Arak. The United States expressed concern that the heavy water would be used in the heavy water reactor at Arak to produce plutonium, an ingredient in making nuclear weapons.

Oct. 2 – President Bush signed into law the Iran Freedom Support Act, which imposed economic sanctions on nations and companies that aided Iran's nuclear program.

Dec. 23 – The U.N. Security Council adopted Resolution 1737, sanctioning Iran for its failure to comply with Resolution 1696 and halt uranium enrichment. The resolution banned the sale of nuclear-related technology to Iran and froze the assets of key individuals and companies related to the nuclear program.


March 24 – The U.N. Security Council adopted Resolution 1747, which banned the sale of arms to Iran increased the freeze on assets.

Dec. 4 – A U.S.National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear activities said there was evidence that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003. It assessed with “moderate confidence” that Iran had not re-started its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007. The findings contradicted the 2005 U.S. intelligence assessment that Tehran was seeking nuclear weapons capability.


Feb. 22 – An IAEA report concluded that Iran had not fully answered the international community's questions about its nuclear program and testing of new centrifuge technology for faster uranium enrichment. The report was based in part on intelligence acquired by the Bush administration that allegedly pointed to Iranian efforts to weaponize nuclear materials. The data was extracted from a laptop reportedly smuggled out of Iran in 2004.

March 3 – The U.N. Security Council approved Resolution 1803, imposing further economic sanctions on Iran.

July 18 – The Bush administration agreed to send U.S. Undersecretary of State William Burns to Geneva to participate with his European counterparts in talks with Iran about its nuclear program. But Iran again rejected the suspension or freeze of its enrichment activities.

Sept. 26 – The U.N. Security Council passed Resolution 1835 which reaffirmed three earlier rounds of sanctions against Iran. No new sanctions were imposed, largely because of objections by Russia and China.


Sept. 25 – President Obama, French President Sarkozy and British Prime Minister Brown told a press conference that Iran had a covert fuel enrichment plant near Qom. Iran said it had already confirmed the construction of a new pilot enrichment plant to the IAEA in a letter four days earlier. Critics said Tehran disclosed the site once it discovered the facility was already under surveillance.

Oct. 1 – Iran met in Geneva with permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany to discuss Iran's nuclear program. The parties outlined a proposal for Iran to ship 80 percent of its stockpile of low-enriched uranium from Natanz to Russia. The shipment would then go to France for further enrichment and fabrication of fuel rods for the Tehran Research Reactor, which produced isotopes for medical use.

Oct. 19-21 – The early October talks in Geneva were continued in Vienna with the presence of the IAEA, on the transfer of Iran’s low-enriched uranium. A consensus was reached on a draft agreement. The United States, France and Russia approved the agreement, but Iran backed down due to domestic opposition.


Feb. 12 – President Ahmadinejad announced that Iran had produced 20 percent enriched uranium, up from 3.5 percent, in a move that marked a major increase in its capabilities. He said Iran had the capability to enrich the fuel even further.

May 17 – Turkey, Brazil and Iran agreed to a nuclear deal similar to the agreement outlined in Geneva in 2009. The proposal called for the transfer of 1,200 kg of low-enriched uranium (3.5 percent) to Turkey, in exchange for 120 kg of 20 percent enriched uranium needed to run the Tehran Research Reactor. The United States and Europeans rejected the deal because Iran had increased its uranium stockpile. The 1,200 kg then represented only about half of Iran’s stockpile, rather than the 80 percent it had in the October 2009 deal. Washington also believed the move was a delaying tactic to avert sanctions.

June 9 – The U.N. Security Council adopted Resolution 1929, imposing a fourth round of sanctions on Iran. They included tighter financial measures and an expanded arms embargo. President Ahmadinejad said the sanctions were a "used handkerchief that should be thrown in the dustbin," and that they were "not capable of harming Iranians."

June 24 – Congress approved the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010. It passed unanimously in the Senate and overwhelmingly in the House. The bill expanded existing U.S. sanctions on Iran. It imposed extensive sanctions on foreign companies that export refined petroleum to Iran or invest in Iran’s energy sector. The legislation went well beyond U.N. Resolution 1929.

July 6 – Iran announced that talks with U.N. Security Council and Germany could begin in September.

July 11 – Iran announced it had produced 20 kilograms of 20 percent enriched uranium and had begun work on fuel plates. The fuel was to be delivered to the Tehran Research Reactor by September 2011, for creating medical isotopes. Western powers have repeatedly expressed fear that Iran’s capability to enrich 20 percent would help it produce nuclear weapon material, which is around 90 percent.

July 26 – The European Union passed sanctions, which banned technical assistance to Iran’s oil and gas industry.

Aug. 13 – The Russian Federal Atomic Energy Agency (Rosatom) announced that the first reactor at the Bushehr would soon be loaded with nuclear fuel and become Iran’s first operational nuclear power plant.

Aug. 21 – An official launch ceremony was held to mark completion of the Bushehr reactor, after years of delays. Iran began loading the plant with fuel, in hopes of making it fully operational within a few months. As part of the deal, Russia supplied the reactor with fuel and Iran is required to send back the spent fuel to Russia.

Dec.6-7 – Iran met in Geneva with members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany for negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program. The group agreed to meet again in January 2011 in Istanbul.



Amazing! How do you know all that?!

United States Institute of Peace The Iran Primer

Timeline of Iran's Nuclear Activities

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

There was a naval officer here peddling BS

Said recent collision was an accident.

They are doing nothing to protect our borders or the Constitution. In short they are oath breakers.

Free includes debt-free!

Yep, and he's still here, trying to spread the truth.

Even if no one believes it. I'm not sure why you would think the collision between the USS Porter and a Japanese-owned tanker is some kind of conspiracy, but it isn't. The Navy fired the Commanding Officer of the Porter as a result.


Thanks again for showing your true colors about your feelings towards the military. The only BS around here is people like you claiming your "support for the troops" and then take every opportunity you get to bash them as a bunch of brainwashed baby-killing warmongers.

Excuse me, Sir. We'd better proceed with the Law of Nations

I have just started reading the Law of Nations 1797 version as suggested by your previous comment.

Constitution Article 1 Section 8.10
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Or, Principles of the Law of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns, 1797 http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=s...

The Constitution was written to establish a people as a Nation of Nations. Trying to understand the Constitution without the Law of Nations is like sailing without compass or sextant.

Individuals are free to associate each one a nation, autonomous.

The military swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. I support that and they get paid to do a job.

Can the Commander and Chief, can the Congress order unConstitutional actions. The actions must at least respect the Law of Nations.


I would prefer our conversations only discussed any baby killings as offences to the Law of Nations.

The issue of Iraq and Iran and Libya and if actions taken there are justified by the Law of Nations is important.

One common thread is that each nation threatened to sell their oil for whatever they could get. This would break the $US monopoly on crude oil trade.

Constitution Article 1 Section 8.3
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

There is no Constitutional authority to regulate by force one half of a voluntary trade.

Free includes debt-free!

And as usual the US people watch and sit idly....

as their country will be blazed with the fire of 1000 glowing suns, I pray cool heads will prevail, the elite are INSANE!

There is really nothing we

There is really nothing we can do, unless it's some massive uprising. Calling the politicians in DC won't do anything.

SteveMT's picture

The current state of this mess, and the rest of it.

I don't like the New World Order. They suck!
A World On The Verge Of War?
09/16/2012 14:48

Here is a summary of where the world stands:

Unable to reach a compromise over the weekend, South Africa is now in an all out labor strike, with the police again firing rubber bullets at miners with lethal escalation guaranteed
Back from vacation, the once again penniless citizens of Spain, Greece, and Portugal have resumed protesting austerity
US embassies attacked, in many cases with numerous casualties, in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Sudan, Lebanon, India, Balgadesh, Indonesia, and others.
Japan "appropriating" China-contested islands provoking a firestorm of retaliation including demands for "war with Japan"
The Japanese ambassador to China dying mysteriously
Netanyahu telling Meet the Press Iran will have a nuke in six-seven months and must be stopped beforehand
Warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, launching a military exercise in the Straits of Hormuz
A third US aircraft - the CVN-74 Stennis - carrier is en route to Iran with an ETA of about 10 days
And finally, a potential catalyst to light this whole mess on fire, Iran's Revolutionary Guard announcing that its troops are now on the ground in Syria.

Both the Iranian president

Both the Iranian president and some of his military officers like this Iranian general certainly are NOT helping to calm the situation in the Middle East. I'm quite sure that this general's rhetoric is for local consumption since Israel has stolen, bought, and manufactured the components necessary to equip a nuclear arsenal capable of OBLITERATING Iran or any other country. Iranian officials should exercise a little common sense! Just like all governments including the USA and Israel, the Iranian people certainly aren't crazy like their leaders.

They Shoot Off Their Mouths

...in the same way they demonstrate poor safety, trigger control, and self-restraint when they shoot their AK-47s into the air in celebaration of everything from a military victory, to a wedding, to just a really good fart.
It all plays into the west's hands because their empty bravado is fed to our gullible citizens as a legitimate threat to "national security" which justifies military action. (The end result is always complete anihilation of air defense systems, command and control targets and key infrastructure facilities, followed by ground campaigns in which the lopsided kill ratios are so great we almost feel embarrassed about it). (Not to mention the collateral damage and inevitable innocent civilian casualties).

a foreshadowing of

Gog and Magog conflict, so said Daniel.

This is it. It's Full On...


There is blame on all sides.

US-NATO have planned to invade Iran for a long time because of oil. If the Middle East goes to the Euro or gold standard instead of the US dollar the US economy and power in the world will crash.

Iran has signs in their Mosques that openly announce they plan to destroy Israel. It is built into religion now and political-religion rules the Islam nations. Israel fears Iran and wants them destroyed before they destroy Israel.

I guess it would suit the NWO to have WWIII; cut down on the world population. They only want enough people left to take care of their needs; grow food, work in mines, build things, make clothes, keep a high level of civilization for the elite to have the world as their playground; much like the Hunger Games; the people kept poor and enslaved to providing for the needs of the wealthy elite.

So, what really IS going on in the background? Trace back to the FED and other central banks in almost every nation - except IRAN. And that is why Ron Paul wants to End the Fed and all central banks.

What evidence do you have to

What evidence do you have to say that Iran has signs in its mosques that announce plans to destroy Israel? Perhaps you are reading mistranslations of what has been called for. What the leader of Iran really said was that he wanted to remove the Zionist REGIME. Big difference between a regime and a people.

Iran has not invaded another nation in over 200 years. Israel has bombed Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, the occupied territories, not to mention what it did to Lebanon for years. Netanyahooooo is a dishonest drama queen.

It is in this video at 32.33

The narrator gave the translation. I am very willing to be mistaken because I have a high regard for both Iran and Israel! The narrator says the yellow sign in the mosque proclaims "Death to Israel"